Former Cowboy Bobby Carpenter losing out to Larry Grant at LB

[Marktui]

Thanks Parcells.

Looks like Tarzan, but plays like Jane.....

 

[jbsg02]

Looking back at that draft now, there are a TON of players that never lived up to their draft status.

 

[NextGenBoys]

I never wanted to draft him because he looked like a poor fit as an OLB in a 3-4, just not a pass rusher. But I was really shocked at just how poor of a LB he is period. The one thing I did notice from his college days that have showed up in his professional career is that he always seems to be chasing and diving at the ball carrier's feet.

^^^ This. Exactly this.

I never wanted to draft him in the first place, as the only reason he went in the first round is because of playing alongside AJ Hawk, but yeah he's been awful.

 

[Chuck 54]

Well, there are busts and there are busts.

The Cowboys have drafted players in round 1 who never had a career, guys who never made it through two seasons in the NFL. Even Shante Carver, who started for us, was a bust in the NFL.

I'm disappointed in the first round selection, but Carpenter will have a decent career in the NFL. He's a backup, and he proved with us that he could be an effective nickel backer, just not for first round money.

I don't call guys like Tony Mandarich, Barron, or Carpenter busts. They work at it; they have careers; they just aren't stars. Mandarich came back and was a good, solid lineman for a while...he had a career...he never quit.

It's not their fault that teams looked at them and thought they were something more than what they were. Carpenter was the second best LB on his college team, and everyone knew that. But we drafted him in the first round anyway...not his fault. He hasn't been a basket case or premadonna like Ryan Leaf or a multi-millionaire QB who can't pass, like Heath Shuler.

He's a soft LB who is serviceable, could start in the league, is a solid backup, a good coverage guy, and a guy who shows up for work every day.

Guys who can't play football and never get a second contract or guys who just took their money and went into a hole (Jamarcus Russell) are true busts.

Sometimes I think we should label the teams that reach for these draft picks who can't cut it in the NFL as the real busts...most of the time it's not the player's fault.

 

[Alexander]

This is a fantasy assessment from the Saint Louis Post-Dispatch we're talking about, right?

No, it was a Rotoworld snippet using the original article from the St. Louis paper about Grant that stated he had claimed the starting position from Carpenter.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/foot...cle_d4c94649-5fd6-5f47-b000-b0f6a17d243c.html

As stated earlier, all we know now is what we should have known before. We swapped disappointing backups. Barron was not some good player who needed a fresh start as he is decidedly behind Free and there is no "competition". Carpenter is exactly where he was before in Dallas, a backup behind a players with lower pedigree even though the claim all along is that he was handcuffed by the 3-4 system. Obviously not. He still is not tough enough or good enough to start, even on a bad team over an original seventh round draft choice like Larry Grant.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Looks like Tarzan, but plays like Jane.....

Bite your tongue! Jane was a tough broad.

Carp plays more like the chimp.

 

[Idgit]

No, it was a Rotoworld snippet using the original article from the St. Louis paper about Grant that stated he had claimed the starting position from Carpenter.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/foot...cle_d4c94649-5fd6-5f47-b000-b0f6a17d243c.html

As stated earlier, all we know now is what we should have known before. We swapped disappointing backups. Barron was not some good player who needed a fresh start as he is decidedly behind Free and there is no "competition". Carpenter is exactly where he was before in Dallas, a backup behind a players with lower pedigree even though the claim all along is that he was handcuffed by the 3-4 system. Obviously not. He still is not tough enough or good enough to start, even on a bad team over an original seventh round draft choice like Larry Grant.

That's better. I hate it when FF assessments get pulled into actual football discussions.

That article doesn't say much about Carpenter, but it's pretty damning that he was replaced in TC by a 2008 7th round pick who'll be 'ok' if he picks up the mental part of the game.

 

[jzcowboy]

Who is Larry Grant?

 

[joseephuss]

^^^ This. Exactly this.

I never wanted to draft him in the first place, as the only reason he went in the first round is because of playing alongside AJ Hawk, but yeah he's been awful.

And A.J. Hawk has not exactly dominated the NFL. Both guys benefited by playing against some average offenses in the Big Ten.

 

[adbutcher]

What I find amazing is that his Dad (to those of us that seen him play) was a tough Son of a gun

I know, may be he has more in common with the mailman? Just saying.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Ohio State in general has produced a lot of players in the last 7-8 years that haven't lived up to the hype. Ghoulston, Carpenter, Hawk, Ginn, Anthony Gonzales, Holmes, Whitner. Nick Mangold being an exception.

 

[Stash]

Ohio State in general has produced a lot of players in the last 7-8 years that haven't lived up to the hype. Ghoulston, Carpenter, Hawk, Ginn, Anthony Gonzales, Holmes, Whitner. Nick Mangold being an exception.

Great point there.

 

[Alexander]

Ohio State in general has produced a lot of players in the last 7-8 years that haven't lived up to the hype. Ghoulston, Carpenter, Hawk, Ginn, Anthony Gonzales, Holmes, Whitner. Nick Mangold being an exception.

That entire Ohio State LB group was overrated. Hawk was the most, then Carpenter. Even Anthony Schlegel was part of that.

 

[Nightshade]

I thought Hawk was the premier reason for the Green Bay defense being considered ELITE?!?!?!

 

[physeter]

Looks like Tarzan, but plays like Jane.....

 

[Muhast]

^^^ This. Exactly this.

I never wanted to draft him in the first place, as the only reason he went in the first round is because of playing alongside AJ Hawk, but yeah he's been awful.

None of the 3 Ohio State linebackers turned out.

A.J Hawk is solid but I've heard a few "bust" labels being thrown on him as well.

Carpenter was solid as far as Nickle and ST go, but could never be a starter.

The third guy I can't even remember his name but he went in the 2nd/3rd round and hasn't done anything either.

 

[JD_KaPow]

Both teams had backups. Barron probably shouldn't have been starting it's just that the Rams didn't have anyone better to put in his place.

Yup. We traded a backup at a position where we were deep for a backup at a position where we were thin. An excellent trade. But I'm constantly surprised by the people here who say Barron is a good player and should be starting for us. He's never been a starting-quality player, and there's no particular reason to think he's going to turn into one this far into his career.

 

[Pottsville Maroons]

I know, may be he has more in common with the mailman? Just saying.

I don't know about that. Here's the NFLDS Scouting Report on the Mailman:

Pros: Able to process information quickly and delivers day-in-day-out. Patient downhill runner. An In-the-"box" defender who can also cover the "slot" when called upon.

Cons: Susceptible to being beaten on Post routes. Doesn't show up on Sunday.

Scout's Take: Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays this prospect from the swift completion of his appointed rounds.

So even the mailman is better than Carp.

 

[Hostile]

I don't know why, but Carpenter reminds me a bit of Brian Bosworth. You see flashes of why there was hype, then a lot of darkness in between. The only difference really is that Bosworth was a loudmouth.

 

[JPM]

None of the 3 Ohio State linebackers turned out.

A.J Hawk is solid but I've heard a few "bust" labels being thrown on him as well.

Carpenter was solid as far as Nickle and ST go, but could never be a starter.

The third guy I can't even remember his name but he went in the 2nd/3rd round and hasn't done anything either.

Anthony and he's not on any NFL roster this year. 3rd round pick by the Jets.