Former Lions coach Mariucci on RW:

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So Roy that came in earlier than everybody else on the team, lost weight to get down to 212 lbs even though he's always been above 220 lbs (even in his probowl season). And we're gonna get on him for his work ethic now? This is really ridiculous now.


This reminds me of ealier in the seson when every idiot had their 2 cents about Tony
 

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newnationcb;3058367 said:
So Roy that came in earlier than everybody else on the team, lost weight to get down to 212 lbs even though he's always been above 220 lbs (even in his probowl season). And we're gonna get on him for his work ethic now? This is really ridiculous now.


This reminds me of ealier in the seson when every idiot had their 2 cents about Tony

To be fair Mariucci isn't just another talking head. He coached the guy for a couple of seasons. Doesn't mean that what he observed is still the norm for Roy but he's a little more in-the-know than the average sports show host.
 

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Hoofbite;3058382 said:
To be fair Mariucci isn't just another talking head. He coached the guy for a couple of seasons. Doesn't mean that what he observed is still the norm for Roy but he's a little more in-the-know than the average sports show host.

I really don't doubt what he said. I just don't think you can realistically assume the same holds place now. What I find amusing about this whole Roy situation over the last few days is that everything I'm hearing now has been said before but now people are all arms over head over the same comments because of the mood and sensation.

Even Jerry insinuated over the offseason that Roy had to come in and really get with the program because he might have had injuries in the past due to not getting involved in an extensive program. You can look up his comments.

Wade already said in his PC earlier that for some reason when Romo throws balls to Roy it's out of whack, even though he's accurate to the others, and he can't explain why. The Roy says the same team we've all noticed in games and we go crazy.

Another thing to take from Mariucci's statement is that Roy is talented and not the bum we're making him out to be. He had 1300 yards and a probowl season in 06 when he was lazy and now when he's working harder he's all of a sudden become a bum?

I can also bring up statements from Mike Martz on how talented Roy is. Who'll know better than Mike?
 

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Mike Martz on Roy Williams earlier this year (Bolded the more telling parts IMO):

Why Williams can put it all together in '09

Martz: Cowboys receiver has intelligence, drive and ability to excel
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Albert Breer



Tuesday, Jul. 7, 2009 - 8:03 a.m. ET

In 2008, Roy Williams got what he had long wanted — a return to his home state to play for the Cowboys.
How did it work out? "I don't look at film of last year," Williams said at Cowboys minicamp last month. "Pointless. For me to watch film from last year ... maybe if I watch T.O ... but I'm not going to watch myself block all day long."
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Cowboys WR Roy Williams


And so it was for Williams, who has since become the poster boy for both the half-full and half-empty outlooks on Dallas' 2009 prospects.
The upside: Williams is an athletic, 6-3, 212-pound 27-year-old with a mountain of untapped potential. He's playing in a balanced offense with a Pro Bowl quarterback and a three-headed running game. And he has motivation to shed a reputation as a "pampered" player.
The downside: Williams hasn't proved much of anything. He had an 80-catch, 1,310-yard season in 2006. But his offensive coordinator was Mike Martz, whose receivers have posted 17 seasons of 77 catches or more over the last 10 years, as well as 14 1,000-yard campaigns.
Williams has averaged 49.8 catches and 693 yards per game in his other four years — including a second season with Martz in 2007 — and has had three or fewer catches in 36 of 70 career games.
And now he's being counted to serve as the bridge back to the salad days of Tony Romo's nearly three seasons at the helm of the Dallas offense.
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That time was the first 12 games of 2007, and it was thanks to a diverse array of skill players headlined by the since-departed Terrell Owens. T.O.'s numbers in that span: 71 catches for 1,249 yards and 14 touchdowns, better than 100 yards and a touchdown per contest.
Can Williams be that guy? There are plenty of reasons for doubt, but Williams brings talent, a renewed work ethic and plans to "just be (Romo's) best friend."
To find out what else it'll take to get the most out of Williams, Sporting News enlisted the man who did just that — Martz — and asked him to explain why he believes 2009 is the year the enigmatic wideout will put it all together.
Understanding the offense. Williams played in three different systems in four-plus seasons in Detroit and was thrown into a fourth offense last October in Dallas, with no offseason to learn it. That matters.
"I'm not sure what kind of demands they had on him (last year)," Martz said. "But he's very intelligent, one of those guys who will do what you ask him to, and he really understands the position.
"Because Roy's a pretty intellectual guy, it has to make sense to him what you're doing. He questions a lot of things, but that's all very healthy, very good, as long as you have answers for him. And Jason (offensive coordinator Garrett), with his disposition—he's a bright coach with a good feel—it's a perfect match."
The quarterback understanding him. Williams had his best season with an established starting quarterback (Jon Kitna) who worked with Williams throughout the offseason. Remember what Martz said about Williams having to understand the offense?
Well, conversely, Williams' quarterback, in this case Romo, needs to understand him as well. The fact that Kitna is now Romo's backup should help the quarterback learn.
"Coming in the middle of the season, like Roy did, the timing's gonna be so different, the anticipation's gonna be different," Martz said. "You need an offseason to work. The quarterback has to get a feel for how fast he comes out of his breaks, how he gets off press and where to put the ball on him.
"He's so big, you can just put the ball up, and he'll get it. His 'open' is different than other receiver's 'open,' and the throw doesn't need to be right there."
The games will matter. The Lions went 21-48 in Williams' four-plus seasons in Detroit. Last year was his first playing for a team contending to make the playoffs into the season's final weeks.
"Like all good receivers, he wants the ball, and it was like this with Torry (Holt): You always want to get it to him early to get him in the game," Martz said. "(But) we weren't a good team in Detroit, and the biggest thing now is he doesn't have to be the reason why (the Cowboys) win. They've got a lot of good players.
"Maybe he catches 100 balls, but if he has 65 or 70 and gets those key catches on third down and in the red zone, that where he'll take off and help football teams. When the team's not good, you just get him the ball; that's what we did. I believe he'll excel in more competitive situations."
Talent, period. If Williams is working as hard as he and teammates indicate — after reports surfaced that he wasn't exactly a weight-room regular in Detroit — Martz believes his talent will take over.
"For a big receiver, he can drop his hips and get in out of breaks extremely well—almost like a smaller receiver," Martz said. "And the second thing, when the ball's in the air, he can be in an awkward position, with the ball away and high, and he has an uncanny ability to get it. I've never seen a guy able to convert those third-and-20 clutch situations. He can make that catch."
 

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newnationcb;3058421 said:
Mike Martz on Roy Williams earlier this year:

Why Williams can put it all together in '09

Martz: Cowboys receiver has intelligence, drive and ability to excel
index.php

Albert Breer



Tuesday, Jul. 7, 2009 - 8:03 a.m. ET

In 2008, Roy Williams got what he had long wanted — a return to his home state to play for the Cowboys.
How did it work out? "I don't look at film of last year," Williams said at Cowboys minicamp last month. "Pointless. For me to watch film from last year ... maybe if I watch T.O ... but I'm not going to watch myself block all day long."
index.php

Cowboys WR Roy Williams


And so it was for Williams, who has since become the poster boy for both the half-full and half-empty outlooks on Dallas' 2009 prospects.
The upside: Williams is an athletic, 6-3, 212-pound 27-year-old with a mountain of untapped potential. He's playing in a balanced offense with a Pro Bowl quarterback and a three-headed running game. And he has motivation to shed a reputation as a "pampered" player.
The downside: Williams hasn't proved much of anything. He had an 80-catch, 1,310-yard season in 2006. But his offensive coordinator was Mike Martz, whose receivers have posted 17 seasons of 77 catches or more over the last 10 years, as well as 14 1,000-yard campaigns.
Williams has averaged 49.8 catches and 693 yards per game in his other four years — including a second season with Martz in 2007 — and has had three or fewer catches in 36 of 70 career games.
And now he's being counted to serve as the bridge back to the salad days of Tony Romo's nearly three seasons at the helm of the Dallas offense.
Related Links










That time was the first 12 games of 2007, and it was thanks to a diverse array of skill players headlined by the since-departed Terrell Owens. T.O.'s numbers in that span: 71 catches for 1,249 yards and 14 touchdowns, better than 100 yards and a touchdown per contest.
Can Williams be that guy? There are plenty of reasons for doubt, but Williams brings talent, a renewed work ethic and plans to "just be (Romo's) best friend."
To find out what else it'll take to get the most out of Williams, Sporting News enlisted the man who did just that — Martz — and asked him to explain why he believes 2009 is the year the enigmatic wideout will put it all together.
Understanding the offense. Williams played in three different systems in four-plus seasons in Detroit and was thrown into a fourth offense last October in Dallas, with no offseason to learn it. That matters.
"I'm not sure what kind of demands they had on him (last year)," Martz said. "But he's very intelligent, one of those guys who will do what you ask him to, and he really understands the position.
"Because Roy's a pretty intellectual guy, it has to make sense to him what you're doing. He questions a lot of things, but that's all very healthy, very good, as long as you have answers for him. And Jason (offensive coordinator Garrett), with his disposition—he's a bright coach with a good feel—it's a perfect match."
The quarterback understanding him. Williams had his best season with an established starting quarterback (Jon Kitna) who worked with Williams throughout the offseason. Remember what Martz said about Williams having to understand the offense?
Well, conversely, Williams' quarterback, in this case Romo, needs to understand him as well. The fact that Kitna is now Romo's backup should help the quarterback learn.
"Coming in the middle of the season, like Roy did, the timing's gonna be so different, the anticipation's gonna be different," Martz said. "You need an offseason to work. The quarterback has to get a feel for how fast he comes out of his breaks, how he gets off press and where to put the ball on him.
"He's so big, you can just put the ball up, and he'll get it. His 'open' is different than other receiver's 'open,' and the throw doesn't need to be right there."
The games will matter. The Lions went 21-48 in Williams' four-plus seasons in Detroit. Last year was his first playing for a team contending to make the playoffs into the season's final weeks.
"Like all good receivers, he wants the ball, and it was like this with Torry (Holt): You always want to get it to him early to get him in the game," Martz said. "(But) we weren't a good team in Detroit, and the biggest thing now is he doesn't have to be the reason why (the Cowboys) win. They've got a lot of good players.
"Maybe he catches 100 balls, but if he has 65 or 70 and gets those key catches on third down and in the red zone, that where he'll take off and help football teams. When the team's not good, you just get him the ball; that's what we did. I believe he'll excel in more competitive situations."
Talent, period. If Williams is working as hard as he and teammates indicate — after reports surfaced that he wasn't exactly a weight-room regular in Detroit — Martz believes his talent will take over.
"For a big receiver, he can drop his hips and get in out of breaks extremely well—almost like a smaller receiver," Martz said. "And the second thing, when the ball's in the air, he can be in an awkward position, with the ball away and high, and he has an uncanny ability to get it. I've never seen a guy able to convert those third-and-20 clutch situations. He can make that catch."
The thing is he could be the best receiver in the world, but if he and Romo can't connect it doesn't matter. Maybe he'll pan out and maybe he won't, but it shouldn't take this long to develop chemistry.
 

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"I've never seen a guy able to convert those third-and-20 clutch situations. He can make that catch."

This quote is so Mike Martz.......3 and 20, AIR IT OUT!
 

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Steve said some people are never happy, well Dallas is five and two but Roy Williams isn't happy.



Is this a trend.



Seriously cause no one is happy with Roy.
 

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ThreeSportStar80;3058444 said:
Wow, discouraging remarks by the former head coach. Roy needs to get it together.
Selective reading at it's best.
 

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newlander;3058260 said:
radio interview in Grand Rapids , MI yesterday. Mooch's comments were tempered but revealing IMO:

Said he's talented but "some guys are never happy no matter what"

Said he isnt' healthy because doesn't put in the work that elite WR's need to

Also said he hopes he gets his act together because the boys are "paying him alot of money".

I thought he got down to brass tacks actually

Rw is 1) moody 2) not healthy because his work ethic sucks 3) a mental trainwreck and drag on the team because even though he's physically gifted, he expects things to be handed to him: nothing new I guess just another perspective agreeing with 90% of the posters on here......:rolleyes:

Well that stinks.....looks like our scouts would of known this info before the trade.
 

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newlander;3058260 said:
radio interview in Grand Rapids , MI yesterday. Mooch's comments were tempered but revealing IMO:

Said he's talented but "some guys are never happy no matter what"

Said he isnt' healthy because doesn't put in the work that elite WR's need to

Also said he hopes he gets his act together because the boys are "paying him alot of money".

I thought he got down to brass tacks actually

Rw is 1) moody 2) not healthy because his work ethic sucks 3) a mental trainwreck and drag on the team because even though he's physically gifted, he expects things to be handed to him: nothing new I guess just another perspective agreeing with 90% of the posters on here......:rolleyes:
90%? Not 89%? Or 91%? That's some precise polling right there! Congrats CowboysZone! :toast:

wait one cotton pickin' minute. where's the poll..?

HEY! :mad:
 

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newnationcb;3058367 said:
So Roy that came in earlier than everybody else on the team, lost weight to get down to 212 lbs even though he's always been above 220 lbs (even in his probowl season).

Boy oh boy. That really helped.

That 8 lb loss might have been upstairs.
 

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:lmao2:

In the other big thread, we were intreated to listen to a former scout who thinks Roy Williams can play.

Many of those same people are now saying we should dismiss the comments of a coach who knows his game better than all but a handful of people in all of football.

Homerism knows no limits. Especially the one guy who runs to RW's defense in every thread. http://img488.*************/img488/1048/dunceil8.gif
 

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Mariucci has been reduced to an NFL channel reporter. He may be the most football experienced reporter they have but he isn't the smartest.
 

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FLcowboy;3058519 said:
Mariucci has been reduced to an NFL channel reporter.
That is a little strong. Has Cowher been reduced to a CBS analyst? Mooch could have a job in the NFL if he wanted.
 

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newlander;3058260 said:
radio interview in Grand Rapids , MI yesterday. Mooch's comments were tempered but revealing IMO:

Said he's talented but "some guys are never happy no matter what"

Said he isnt' healthy because doesn't put in the work that elite WR's need to

Also said he hopes he gets his act together because the boys are "paying him alot of money".

I thought he got down to brass tacks actually

Rw is 1) moody 2) not healthy because his work ethic sucks 3) a mental trainwreck and drag on the team because even though he's physically gifted, he expects things to be handed to him: nothing new I guess just another perspective agreeing with 90% of the posters on here......:rolleyes:

The "Roy sheep" will deny all of Mariucci's comments - after all, what does he know about RW in 2009 - you migh as well ask his pee wee football coach. Also Mooch clearly has an agenda to sabotage Roy to further his media career.
 

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Wrangler87;3058263 said:
Here's to hoping he is more mature now than he was when he was drafted.

Roy has a fundamentally flawed character - he is lazy, egotistical, narcisisstic and self-centred. Anyone who thinks he really cares about anyone on this team or any Cowboys fan is as deluded as RW is.
 
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