Four years later, Cowboys forced to fix mistakes made in 2012 offseason

[CCBoy]

The people posting the negativity right now don't represent the fan see in general. This isn't a hopeful time of year. When the draft comes around, regular posters will start chiming in more often.

And you've got to believe the silent majority here has a little more fortitude than the guys posting things like 'Romo is done.'

Some fans just need to bunker down again, and bring the fight back out when the time nears...
as to topic,

I think that a quality backup is harder and more valuable than the recent approach by Dallas to just get a quarterback who can deliver a pretty pass when not disturbed and is familiar with the NFL.

Real talent needing opportunity is the standard that should determine this position, instead.

Not many top 4 picks come around for these Cowboys!

 

[Toruk_Makto]

The people posting the negativity right now don't represent the fan see in general. This isn't a hopeful time of year. When the draft comes around, regular posters will start chiming in more often.

And you've got to believe the silent majority here has a little more fortitude than the guys posting things like 'Romo is done.'

Yup.

The forum is a pretty not fun place to be right now.

 

[CCBoy]

Yup.

The forum is a pretty not fun place to be right now.

I'm still trying, Guy...despite a social order of denial.

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

Disgusting

its sad but it seriously might be true

 

[DogFace]

Do not despair!!!
Jerry still fills the stadium, merchandise sales rock and we still strategize here on and off season.

What is fragile (an Italian word) is our collective belief that Romo and the clowns in the secondary are playoffs worthy. Carry on, blokes.

Thank you. Makes me feel better

 

[jobberone]

The topics of this thread are CB and backup QB. It is not Garrett, Romo or the overall state of the Cowboys.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The topics of this thread are CB and backup QB. It is not Garrett, Romo or the overall state of the Cowboys.

I'm sort of confused by this too. The defense wasn't terrible this year and probably played up to par or overachieved. You'd like more turnovers but they surely didn't embarrass themselves like this offense did.

I'm in the minority when it comes to Garrett. I think he's a decent coach and will only get better but the pass people give him and Linehan in regards to the offense is mind boggling to me. Did anyone not just witness how terrible this offense is and how dependent it is on Romo? That's not only scary but its shameful.

 

[Floatyworm]

Aren't we still trying to fix the mistakes from the 2009 draft as well?
Starting to see a theme here.....

 

[Reverend Conehead]

A few thoughts:
1. Mo improved to being a competent corner this season. Carr has showed some good skill, though not equal to the money he's being paid.
2. The loss of Scandrick for the year could not have been predicted. There can be no doubt the secondary would have been better with him.
3. You can't talk about corner play without factoring in safety play. The team has been hurting at safety for a long time. Two of our previous corners, PacMan Jones and Terrence Newman, have fared better on other teams with better safeties.
4. This defense was better than it was last year. It kept us in games. We were close to winning every game except the Patriots and the Panthers games.
5. Kyle Orton was the best backup QB available at the time. There was no way to predict he would behave like such a ******. The team did make a mistake in not addressing the backup QB in this past offseason, but that had nothing to do with the move made in 2012. To me it seemed obvious that Weeden was not the answer based on how he performed in the 2014 Cardinals game. I don't know that Cassel was the answer, but he would have had a better shot if he had been acquired in the offseason so that he could go through training camp and the preseason -- or someone else. This team should have acquired the best veteran backup QB it could find in this past offseason.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

A few thoughts:
1. Mo improved to being a competent corner this season. Carr has showed some good skill, though not equal to the money he's being paid.

Competent as not making plays. Just the norm for him.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

Competent as not making plays. Just the norm for him.

No, man, he did a lot better than that this season. He covered a lot better than in 2014, forcing a lot more incomplete passes, and this with poor safety help. He wasn't getting the picks, though. That's the biggest problem with him. She's shown enough to at least earn a spot in training camp, if he wants to be there. He's a free agent, so he could sign elsewhere, but I'm fine with letting him compete for a spot if he wants to come back. I just wouldn't pay him a huge amount of money.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

No, man, he did a lot better than that this season. He covered a lot better than in 2014, forcing a lot more incomplete passes, and this with poor safety help. He wasn't getting the picks, though. That's the biggest problem with him. She's shown enough to at least earn a spot in training camp, if he wants to be there. He's a free agent, so he could sign elsewhere, but I'm fine with letting him compete for a spot if he wants to come back. I just wouldn't pay him a huge amount of money.

Covering his man was never the problem. It always is tracking the ball in the air and attempting to make a play.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

Covering his man was never the problem. It always is tracking the ball in the air and attempting to make a play.

He's got plenty of room for improvement. That's why I only say he's earned a spot in training camp, but should not be guaranteed a job. If the team can land someone better, it should do it. In any case, whether Mo stays or goes, this team needs an upgrade at safety.

 

[jobberone]

I'm sort of confused by this too. The defense wasn't terrible this year and probably played up to par or overachieved. You'd like more turnovers but they surely didn't embarrass themselves like this offense did.

I'm in the minority when it comes to Garrett. I think he's a decent coach and will only get better but the pass people give him and Linehan in regards to the offense is mind boggling to me. Did anyone not just witness how terrible this offense is and how dependent it is on Romo? That's not only scary but its shameful.

We bet on the wrong horses. We scored a tad over 29 ppg last year which is very good not fabulous. That was 467 pts. 500 is fabulous. Before that the offense had improved and the defense was the more problematic side but improving as well. If you're scoring 25+ PPG and giving up 20 or less then you're on the right side of the road. Generally 31 ppg gets you a 1 or 2 seed esp if your scoring diff is 7-10PPG.

You can dissect the offense in a number of ways but the best way is to do it each game then overall looking at trends both positive and negative in relation to your division then your conference then the league. You also need to look at the problematic areas and see where individual work, coaching and talent acquisition as well as scheme plays a role.

It's easy to blame one or even a few problematic areas but looking at the ways to improve the team has got to be a diligent and time consuming process. And all the while that is going on you have to be looking at coaching the Senior Bowl, evaluating the talent there, the rest of the postseason talent shows, and the rest of the draft process. Busy time of year.

And the whole point is it ain't one simple thing(s) and it ain't easy.

 

[CCBoy]

The topics of this thread are CB and backup QB. It is not Garrett, Romo or the overall state of the Cowboys.

I'm thinking that the team needs a top free agent cornerback; a top two round cornerback in the draft; and a very cheap Claiborne to keep on the roster.

That fixes that positional group for 3 years.

Band aides around a variety of positional groups only slows the bleeding effects.