Franchise QBs

[ejthedj]

I was scouting some Jaguars cause they apparently have a deep Line and now might need, say, Hurns back -- trade baby! it makes too much sense, but anyway...

I came across a Bortles post, which apparently is a very common debate similar to our Dak debates. The author wasn't pro-Jake but did say he improved last year and is their franchise QB.

Here was his bullet points (stay with me)

• higher completion percentage (60.2% was career high)
• fewer interceptions (13 was career low)
• lower INT% (2.5% was career low)
• higher quarterback rating (from 78.8 to 84.7)
• higher QBR (from 42.8 to 55.5, a career high)
• fewer sacks allowed (24, a career low)
• career-high net yards per pass attempt (NY/A) and adjusted net yards per pass attempt (ANY/A)
• reduced total turnovers (INT's + fumbles lost) from 22 to 16 (a career low)

Now, let's think about our similar Dak debates. Dak's worst year crushes these numbers. Bortles is an inaccurate turnover machine, who doesn't really threaten with his legs. Dak's best year makes this look laughable. And this was a team on the brink of the Super Bowl. And a guy who has much more experience and higher draft pedigree.

I say we let Dak grow, and thank god we actually have a franchise QB. Not so sure about Bortles.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

If the way we now have to prop up Dak is by comparing him to Bortles then we are in big trouble with Dak

 

[waving monkey]

I was scouting some Jaguars cause they apparently have a deep Line and now might need, say, Hurns back -- trade baby! it makes too much sense, but anyway...

I came across a Bortles post, which apparently is a very common debate similar to our Dak debates. The author wasn't pro-Jake but did say he improved last year and is their franchise QB.

Here was his bullet points (stay with me)

• higher completion percentage (60.2% was career high)
• fewer interceptions (13 was career low)
• lower INT% (2.5% was career low)
• higher quarterback rating (from 78.8 to 84.7)
• higher QBR (from 42.8 to 55.5, a career high)
• fewer sacks allowed (24, a career low)
• career-high net yards per pass attempt (NY/A) and adjusted net yards per pass attempt (ANY/A)
• reduced total turnovers (INT's + fumbles lost) from 22 to 16 (a career low)

Now, let's think about our similar Dak debates. Dak's worst year crushes these numbers. Bortles is an inaccurate turnover machine, who doesn't really threaten with his legs. Dak's best year makes this look laughable. And this was a team on the brink of the Super Bowl. And a guy who has much more experience and higher draft pedigree.

I say we let Dak grow, and thank god we actually have a franchise QB. Not so sure about Bortles.

Of course

 

[Verdict]

If the way we now have to prop up Dak is by comparing him to Bortles then we are in big trouble with Dak

I don't think that's the premise of his post. I think what he is saying that Bortles isn't as good as Dak when he is at his best and Dak is at his worst. It's a source of optimism, if you are willing to consider that possibility.

 

[waving monkey]

If the way we now have to prop up Dak is by comparing him to Bortles then we are in big trouble with Dak

Relax we're not in trouble Dak is fine

 

[Super_Kazuya]

I don’t think either Dak or Bortles are “franchise QBs”, but it’s not like there is a universal definition for whatever the heck that means. Bortles is about to begin his fifth season; if he makes it to 10 seasons and never gets any better isn’t he a franchise QB by default? Is Andy Dalton, who has started all but 3 games over the last eight years for the Bengals, a franchise QB?

 

[DFWJC]

I was scouting some Jaguars cause they apparently have a deep Line and now might need, say, Hurns back -- trade baby! it makes too much sense, but anyway...

I came across a Bortles post, which apparently is a very common debate similar to our Dak debates. The author wasn't pro-Jake but did say he improved last year and is their franchise QB.

Here was his bullet points (stay with me)

• higher completion percentage (60.2% was career high)
• fewer interceptions (13 was career low)
• lower INT% (2.5% was career low)
• higher quarterback rating (from 78.8 to 84.7)
• higher QBR (from 42.8 to 55.5, a career high)
• fewer sacks allowed (24, a career low)
• career-high net yards per pass attempt (NY/A) and adjusted net yards per pass attempt (ANY/A)
• reduced total turnovers (INT's + fumbles lost) from 22 to 16 (a career low)

Now, let's think about our similar Dak debates. Dak's worst year crushes these numbers. Bortles is an inaccurate turnover machine, who doesn't really threaten with his legs. Dak's best year makes this look laughable. And this was a team on the brink of the Super Bowl. And a guy who has much more experience and higher draft pedigree.

I say we let Dak grow, and thank god we actually have a franchise QB. Not so sure about Bortles.

I assume you know this, but....
Not many people anywhere outside of Jacksonville think Blake freaking Bortles is a true franchise QB

I agree on Dak.
Let him grow.

But to be fair and honest, many of those with worries are basing it on 2017...the most recent data.

Few QBs in the whole league had more similar statistical seasons last year than Bortles and Prescott.
They were incredibly similar in passing, rushing, TD-int differential, total yards, int rate, etc, etc, etc.
VERY similar in 2017

 

[waving monkey]

however the OP did not say Bortles is a franchise QB. He made comparisons.
In a bad year [Dak], Bortles was comparable at least thats how I read it.
Its the nature of a portion of fans to tear down

 

[ejthedj]

Yes, the point is -- In Bortles' best year, Dak was better in his worst. By quite a bit. And Bortles almost went to a Super Bowl. So, I'm optimistic. He can grow. And he's already good enough

 

[darthseinfeld]

Bortles is a very gifted QB. He is going to be an interesting player to watch this year. He had a very promising 2nd year where he had 35 TDs(more than Derek Carr), but from what I heard dealt with some personal demons that derailed his 3rd year. He bounced back somewhat last year

 

[Kevinicus]

Last year was definitely not Bortles' best year. And he was about on par with Dak last year.

And I hope nobody here would be satisfied with Blake at QB.

 

[ejthedj]

Dak was 2 points better in percentage and in QBR, with less turnovers and more rushing yards. Oh yeah, and one more TD... without Zeke or his starting OT for a while. Year 1 CRUSHED Bortles best year

 

[ejthedj]

Last year was definitely not Bortles' best year. And he was about on par with Dak last year.

Statistically it was his best year

 

[ejthedj]

Last year was definitely not Bortles' best year. And he was about on par with Dak last year.

Ok, his second year was better in some categories. But 58% completion and a ton of turnovers. That's a push with last year

 

[kskboys]

Bortles isn't that great and isn't that terrible.

 

[Kevinicus]

Statistically it was his best year

No, that was in 2015.

Completion % is overrated. Yes he had more turnovers but a ton more yards and TDs. It was easily his best year.

 

[ejthedj]

No, that was in 2015.

Completion % is overrated. Yes he had more turnovers but a ton more yards and TDs. It was easily his best year.

I disagree... I think completion percentage is huge, esp when compared with YPA.

 

[black label]

 

[Reality]

The coaching staff worries me a lot more than the players.

 

[Kevinicus]

I disagree... I think completion percentage is huge, esp when compared with YPA.

Give me a high YPA and TDs over completion % all day. Anyone can have a high completion % if they really want to.