Franco Harris' Job "On Hold" In Light Of Scandal

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Sam I Am;4252518 said:
You can make political statements, disagree with your bosses, etc and still be within your rights as an American citizen. See cases listed above. They cannot fire you, demote you, or deny a promotion if what you said was true and/or believed to be of public concern.

I think Harris is well within his rights. Whether any of us agree or disagree with what he said, is irrelevant.

This is America and we have the freedom of speech.

I'm not disagreeing with that or even debating that. The legal issues of this particular case mean absolutely nothing to me personally.


The point is that in this particular case, due to what he was defending or voicing his opinion on, I do not care, nor feel sorry, for him that the was fired or demoted or whatever.
 

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BraveHeartFan;4252653 said:
I'm not disagreeing with that or even debating that. The legal issues of this particular case mean absolutely nothing to me personally.


The point is that in this particular case, due to what he was defending or voicing his opinion on, I do not care, nor feel sorry, for him that the was fired or demoted or whatever.

What was he defending? He was defending a man he knew, respected and loved, and defending a football program that he was a part of and that has been run properly throughout Paterno's career. I did not hear him defending pedofiles or the cover up of child abuse.
 

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Stautner;4252651 said:
Poor analogy. You are talking about someone going to work and violating someones civil rights, and Franco did nothing like that.
OK, but the Gilbert Gottfried comparison is still spot on. Another poster mentioned Jimmy the Greek. Or think of Al Campannis. Fact is if you say something stupid or controversial, your employer can fire you. None of those people had any legal recourse, and neither does Franco Harris.
 

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burmafrd;4252637 said:
The cases you cited are really not applicable at all.
They're not? :confused: They are discussing the same situation.

burmafrd;4252637 said:
Free speech has always been something that any government is bound by; private enterprise is very different.
Oh, so private enterprise can violate peoples rights, just not governments? :bang2:

I'm not going to argue with you. Your mind is made up and you have no intent on looking at it objectively.
 

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Rogah;4252669 said:
OK, but the Gilbert Gottfried comparison is still spot on. Another poster mentioned Jimmy the Greek. Or think of Al Campannis. Fact is if you say something stupid or controversial, your employer can fire you. None of those people had any legal recourse, and neither does Franco Harris.

Lets through Imus in there too why don't we? No, go look at their contracts.

Could Imus sued MSNBC? Yes, he could. Would he win? Maybe, maybe not. What he would have done is stir up a hornets nest. That is what he did not want to do. Plus, he would have basically black listed himself in the Entertainment industry.

btw, Jimmy the Greek's comments were considered racist. We've already been over that. Actually, so were Imus'

As for Gilbert Gottfried. He was replaced, but that isn't to say Aflac didn't pay him contract out.
 

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Rogah;4252669 said:
OK, but the Gilbert Gottfried comparison is still spot on. Another poster mentioned Jimmy the Greek. Or think of Al Campannis. Fact is if you say something stupid or controversial, your employer can fire you. None of those people had any legal recourse, and neither does Franco Harris.

I don't recall the Gilbert Godfried situation, but while these are a little closer analogies, Franco didn't make any direct comments suppporting the mindset of pedofiles the way Jimmy the Greek and Al Campanis both made direct comments that supported racist attitudes.
 

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Sam I Am;4252670 said:
They're not? :confused: They are discussing the same situation.

Oh, so private enterprise can violate peoples rights, just not governments? :bang2:

I'm not going to argue with you. Your mind is made up and you have no intent on looking at it objectively.

Pot meet kettle
 

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Stautner;4252692 said:
I don't recall the Gilbert Godfried situation, but while these are a little closer analogies, Franco didn't make any direct comments suppporting the mindset of pedofiles the way Jimmy the Greek and Al Campanis both made direct comments that supported racist attitudes.

and Franco supported a person involved in a child molestation case.
 

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burmafrd;4252714 said:
and Franco supported a person involved in a child molestation case.

A lot of people are "involved" to some degree, but that doesn't mean supporting a long time friend who made a mistake but committed no crime is the equivalent of supporting pedophiles.

As I said before, apparently some find it easy to HYPOTHETCIALLY to turn your back on a longtime friend and mentor and someone you have loved and admired, but this isn't hypothetical to Franco, and I don't see how anyone can reasonably expect a person to ignore 40 years of that kind of relationship.
 

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Stautner;4252692 said:
I don't recall the Gilbert Godfried situation, but while these are a little closer analogies, Franco didn't make any direct comments suppporting the mindset of pedofiles the way Jimmy the Greek and Al Campanis both made direct comments that supported racist attitudes.
OK, but you're still supporting my contention that people can be fired for making offensive statements, which is all I'm saying here. You have a constitutional right to free speech. You do not have a constitutional right to say anything you want with no consequences whatsoever.

Did the casino overreact? Maybe, maybe not. But I can't blame then for running away from anything that even remotely touches on this scandal.
 

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McLovin;4252835 said:
Didn't need much more than that...but if you want

Yes, it did need more than that. If someone posts an opinion and explains himself, responding by simply typing "Completely incorrect" is the internet equuvalent of saying "sez you!" or "Is not!".

Rogah;4252845 said:
OK, but you're still supporting my contention that people can be fired for making offensive statements, which is all I'm saying here. You have a constitutional right to free speech. You do not have a constitutional right to say anything you want with no consequences whatsoever.

I don't dispute that people can be fired for making offensive statements, depending on the circumstances, I just don't agree that Franco Harris made one or that the circumstances remotely warrented being fired.
 

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Stautner;4252856 said:
Yes, it did need more than that. If someone posts an opinion and explains himself, responding by simply typing "Completely incorrect" is the internet equuvalent of saying "sez you!" or "Is not!".


Two issues:
  1. At-will private sector employment
  2. Speech - usually falls into a code of ethics policy
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The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution establishes freedom of speech in the USA. There are several major limitations on this freedom:
  1. Only the government is prohibited from restricting speech. Private corporations are free to censor speech of their employees.
  2. Freedom of speech is not absolute, even when government regulation or law is concerned. For example, freedom of speech does not give one the right to commit perjury. Since 1977, the U.S. Supreme Court has retreated from protecting freedom of speech even for government employees
Fundamentally, an at-will employee in the USA can be terminated at any time, and for any reason – or no reason at all – and the courts will not intervene to protect the ex-employee from allegedly unfair treatment by the employer. Courts have repeatedly recognized that "any reason" includes a "morally wrong" or "morally reprehensible" reason. .

The combination of:
  1. no legal protection for freedom of speech of employees of for-profit and non-profit corporations and other non-governmental employers, and
  2. the freedom of employers to terminate employment at any time, for any reason
means that employees in private industry have no legal rights to freedom of speech.

Korb case
an intriguing case involving Raytheon, a large corporation that builds equipment for the U.S. military, and, Korb, who Raytheon briefly employed as the vice-president of its Washington, DC office. Korb was a former assistant secretary of defense (1981-85), so he had a high profile among Congressmen and people in the Department of Defense, with whom he routinely worked on Raytheon's behalf. The Massachusetts Supreme Court summarized the facts of this case:
In December, 1985, with Raytheon's permission, Korb joined the executive board of the Committee for National Security (CNS), a nonprofit organization dedicated to informing the public about issues of national security and the prevention of nuclear war. On February 25, 1986, CNS held a press conference in a Senate office building during Korb's normal lunch hour in connection with the release of its annual alternative defense budget. Korb spoke at the press conference. An article in the Washington Post newspaper the day after the press conference reported on the event. The article described Korb as a former assistant secretary of defense "[n]ow a private citizen working for arms maker Raytheon Co." It stated that at the press conference, Korb was critical of increased defense spending and urged a scaling back of the 600 ship, fifteen carrier group Navy supported by the Secretary of the Navy.

As a result of the article, two Navy officials and a staff member of the Senate Armed Services Committee telephoned Raytheon officials to express their disapproval of Korb's reported remarks. Air Force officials also complained to Raytheon. Korb was immediately summoned to Raytheon's headquarters in Lexington, Massachusetts, and informed that his job was in jeopardy. Korb agreed to write a letter to the editor of the Washington Post clarifying his statements. The Washington Post published the letter on March 4, 1986, under the heading, "We Need More Money for Defense."

Nevertheless, on March 12, 1986, Raytheon officials told Korb that he would be terminated from his position as vice president for Washington operations effective March 31 because of the Navy, Air Force, and Armed Services Committee objections. Korb v. Raytheon, 574 N.E.2d 370, 371 (Mass. 1991).
As a direct result of Korb's statements, Raytheon promptly terminated Korb's employment as a lobbyist in Washington, DC. Korb sued Raytheon in a Massachusetts state court for wrongful termination, citing both the Massachusetts state civil rights statute and the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Raytheon removed the case to Federal District Court in Boston. Korb then amended his complaint to delete all references to the U.S. Constitution. The Federal District Court sent the case back to the Massachusetts state court, because there was no federal question. Korb v. Raytheon, 707 F.Supp. 63 (D.Mass. 1989). The Massachusetts state court granted Raytheon's motion for summary judgment. Korb appealed and the Massachusetts Supreme Court, on its own motion, heard the appeal directly. Korb, 574 N.E.2d at 371-372.

The Massachusetts Supreme Court affirmed the summary judgment:
Korb characterizes the public policy at issue too broadly. His situation is not that of an employee who is fired for speaking out on issues in which his employer has no interest, financial or otherwise. To the contrary, Korb was hired to be the corporation's spokesperson, and he spoke against the interests of the corporation. The topic was one of acute concern to Raytheon. Regardless of whether Korb believed himself to be acting privately rather than as a Raytheon employee, and regardless of what Korb actually said, the public perception after the press conference was that a Raytheon lobbyist advocated a reduction in defense spending. Raytheon had a financial stake in not advocating that position. Therefore, it determined that Korb had lost his effectiveness as its spokesperson. There is no public policy prohibiting an employer from discharging an ineffective at-will employee. The fact that Korb's job duties included public speaking does not alter this rule.3
3 We emphasize that Korb's situation does not fall within any public policy that may protect the speech of a whistleblower who speaks against his or her employer's interest. [citations omitted] Raytheon is not attempting to suppress Korb's speech in order to cover up its own wrongdoing. Nor is there any allegation that Raytheon is discharging Korb in an attempt to deprive him of a contractual benefit to which he is otherwise entitled. [citations omitted]
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How bout now? I'll try to pass along any questions to my sister who is a civil court judge.

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McLovin;4252917 said:
Two issues:
  1. At-will private sector employment
  2. Speech - usually falls into a code of ethics policy
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The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution establishes freedom of speech in the USA. There are several major limitations on this freedom:
  1. Only the government is prohibited from restricting speech. Private corporations are free to censor speech of their employees.
  2. Freedom of speech is not absolute, even when government regulation or law is concerned. For example, freedom of speech does not give one the right to commit perjury. Since 1977, the U.S. Supreme Court has retreated from protecting freedom of speech even for government employees
Fundamentally, an at-will employee in the USA can be terminated at any time, and for any reason – or no reason at all – and the courts will not intervene to protect the ex-employee from allegedly unfair treatment by the employer. Courts have repeatedly recognized that "any reason" includes a "morally wrong" or "morally reprehensible" reason. .

The combination of:
  1. no legal protection for freedom of speech of employees of for-profit and non-profit corporations and other non-governmental employers, and
  2. the freedom of employers to terminate employment at any time, for any reason
means that employees in private industry have no legal rights to freedom of speech.

Korb case
an intriguing case involving Raytheon, a large corporation that builds equipment for the U.S. military, and, Korb, who Raytheon briefly employed as the vice-president of its Washington, DC office. Korb was a former assistant secretary of defense (1981-85), so he had a high profile among Congressmen and people in the Department of Defense, with whom he routinely worked on Raytheon's behalf. The Massachusetts Supreme Court summarized the facts of this case:
In December, 1985, with Raytheon's permission, Korb joined the executive board of the Committee for National Security (CNS), a nonprofit organization dedicated to informing the public about issues of national security and the prevention of nuclear war. On February 25, 1986, CNS held a press conference in a Senate office building during Korb's normal lunch hour in connection with the release of its annual alternative defense budget. Korb spoke at the press conference. An article in the Washington Post newspaper the day after the press conference reported on the event. The article described Korb as a former assistant secretary of defense "[n]ow a private citizen working for arms maker Raytheon Co." It stated that at the press conference, Korb was critical of increased defense spending and urged a scaling back of the 600 ship, fifteen carrier group Navy supported by the Secretary of the Navy.

As a result of the article, two Navy officials and a staff member of the Senate Armed Services Committee telephoned Raytheon officials to express their disapproval of Korb's reported remarks. Air Force officials also complained to Raytheon. Korb was immediately summoned to Raytheon's headquarters in Lexington, Massachusetts, and informed that his job was in jeopardy. Korb agreed to write a letter to the editor of the Washington Post clarifying his statements. The Washington Post published the letter on March 4, 1986, under the heading, "We Need More Money for Defense."

Nevertheless, on March 12, 1986, Raytheon officials told Korb that he would be terminated from his position as vice president for Washington operations effective March 31 because of the Navy, Air Force, and Armed Services Committee objections. Korb v. Raytheon, 574 N.E.2d 370, 371 (Mass. 1991).
As a direct result of Korb's statements, Raytheon promptly terminated Korb's employment as a lobbyist in Washington, DC. Korb sued Raytheon in a Massachusetts state court for wrongful termination, citing both the Massachusetts state civil rights statute and the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Raytheon removed the case to Federal District Court in Boston. Korb then amended his complaint to delete all references to the U.S. Constitution. The Federal District Court sent the case back to the Massachusetts state court, because there was no federal question. Korb v. Raytheon, 707 F.Supp. 63 (D.Mass. 1989). The Massachusetts state court granted Raytheon's motion for summary judgment. Korb appealed and the Massachusetts Supreme Court, on its own motion, heard the appeal directly. Korb, 574 N.E.2d at 371-372.

The Massachusetts Supreme Court affirmed the summary judgment:
Korb characterizes the public policy at issue too broadly. His situation is not that of an employee who is fired for speaking out on issues in which his employer has no interest, financial or otherwise. To the contrary, Korb was hired to be the corporation's spokesperson, and he spoke against the interests of the corporation. The topic was one of acute concern to Raytheon. Regardless of whether Korb believed himself to be acting privately rather than as a Raytheon employee, and regardless of what Korb actually said, the public perception after the press conference was that a Raytheon lobbyist advocated a reduction in defense spending. Raytheon had a financial stake in not advocating that position. Therefore, it determined that Korb had lost his effectiveness as its spokesperson. There is no public policy prohibiting an employer from discharging an ineffective at-will employee. The fact that Korb's job duties included public speaking does not alter this rule.3
3 We emphasize that Korb's situation does not fall within any public policy that may protect the speech of a whistleblower who speaks against his or her employer's interest. [citations omitted] Raytheon is not attempting to suppress Korb's speech in order to cover up its own wrongdoing. Nor is there any allegation that Raytheon is discharging Korb in an attempt to deprive him of a contractual benefit to which he is otherwise entitled. [citations omitted]
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How bout now? I'll try to pass along any questions to my sister who is a civil court judge.

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First of all, the post you responded to by saying "Completely Incorrect" did not discuss legal issues, it was merely an opinion that what happened to Franco wasn't fair and was offensive. Accordingly, you authored a long drown out post that didn't even apply to what you said was incorrect.

Second, wan't to focus on this part of your post:

Fundamentally, an at-will employee in the USA can be terminated at any time, and for any reason – or no reason at all – and the courts will not intervene to protect the ex-employee from allegedly unfair treatment by the employer. Courts have repeatedly recognized that "any reason" includes a "morally wrong" or "morally reprehensible" reason. .

Hmmm, so an "at-will" employee can be fired on the grounds that they were found to be gay, or they had a different religious affiliation than the boss, or that they became pregnant ...... the Supreme Court may be surprised to know that.

I also find it interesting that the examples you cited involved employees who spoke out on issues that were contrary to the type of business the company he represented was engaged in. I personally didn't see anything about Franco talking negatively about gambling or drinking or anything related to the type of business the company he represented was engaged in.
 

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Stautner;4252938 said:
First of all, the post you responded to by saying "Completely Incorrect" did not discuss legal issues, it was merely an opinion that what happened to Franco wasn't fair and was offensive. Accordingly, you authored a long drown out post that didn't even apply to what you said was incorrect.

Most educated people (I thought) were pretty aware of what private employers can do. This has been seen over and over and over, many examples even followed. If you work for a company, you will find statements in the code of ethics, contract, etc that spell out what you can do. Most companies do not exercise the option to terminate on something like this, but they have the right to.

Second, wan't to focus on this part of your post:

Fundamentally, an at-will employee in the USA can be terminated at any time, and for any reason – or no reason at all – and the courts will not intervene to protect the ex-employee from allegedly unfair treatment by the employer. Courts have repeatedly recognized that "any reason" includes a "morally wrong" or "morally reprehensible" reason. .

Hmmm, so an "at-will" employee can be fired on the grounds that they were found to be gay, or they had a different religious affiliation than the boss, or that they became pregnant ...... the Supreme Court may be surprised to know that.

I also find it interesting that the examples you cited involved employees who spoke out on issues that were contrary to the type of business the company he represented was engaged in. I personally didn't see anything about Franco talking negatively about gambling or drinking or anything related to the type of business the company he represented was engaged in.

You obviously have no understanding of law, those are protected classes and other cases have addressed this. Talk about ******** analogies - you're the king.

As to your last paragraph, I don't what he did a fireable offense, but they did. Courts make no judgements on potential "clientele" they leave that to the discretion of the company. Harris was hired as a spokeperson because he had CELEBRITY to produce interest in a product. If Marge from accounting spoke out (hypothetical as no reporter would interview her and run it over USA today, Espn, etc), I doubrt she meats the saem fate.

If they were getting ready to launch a campaign in Pennsylvania with Harris as the face, then him coming out and being a face of a controversial issue COULD diminish his effectiveness to be linked to its brand or have people think "child molestation" when they see his face. Measuring his effectiveness is going to be more public than Marge not being able adhere to GAAP rules.
 

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McLovin;4252972 said:
Most educated people (I thought) were pretty aware of what private employers can do. This has been seen over and over and over, many examples even followed. If you work for a company, you will find statements in the code of ethics, contract, etc that spell out what you can do. Most companies do not exercise the option to terminate on something like this, but they have the right to. .

Huh? Do you actually read what you respond to? You mindlessly respond to a post expressing an opinion that what hapened to Franco Harrris was offensive by saying "completely incorrect" with no explaination. When it is pointed that the poster expressed his opinion and you failed to respond in kind, you print a lengthy diatribe about the law even though, again, the poster expressed an opinion and was not discussing a legal point. When it is pointed out the post you are supposed to be responding was an opinion and not a legal point, you again discuss the law even though it has nothing to do with the post you are supposed to be responding to. I'm not sure if you really know anythnig about the law, but common sense and logic is lacking.

McLovin;4252972 said:
You obviously have no understanding of law, those are protected classes and other cases have addressed this. Talk about ******** analogies - you're the king.

As to your last paragraph, I don't what he did a fireable offense, but they did. Courts make no judgements on potential "clientele" they leave that to the discretion of the company. Harris was hired as a spokeperson because he had CELEBRITY to produce interest in a product. If Marge from accounting spoke out (hypothetical as no reporter would interview her and run it over USA today, Espn, etc), I doubrt she meats the saem fate.

If they were getting ready to launch a campaign in Pennsylvania with Harris as the face, then him coming out and being a face of a controversial issue COULD diminish his effectiveness to be linked to your brand or have people think "child molestation" when they see his face measuring his effectiveness is going to be more public than Marge not being able adhere to GAAP rules.

Apparently I do have an understanding of the law because I correctly indicated that there are, in fact, reasons that are not permissible under the law for an employer to fire an employee, and you are the one who incorrectly stated there are absolutely zero restrictions on the reasons an employer can have for firing an employee.

Your suggestion that the fact that my statement was correct and your statement was not somehow proves I don't know the law and you do seems a bit odd. I suppose if you said 1+1=3 and I said 1+1=2 that in your mind would prove I don't know math and you do.

I think that lack of common sense and logic is rearing its ugly head again.
 

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Stautner;4253016 said:
Huh? Do you actually read what you respond to? You mindlessly respond to a post expressing an opinion that what hapened to Franco Harrris was offensive by saying "completely incorrect" with no explaination. When it is pointed that the poster expressed his opinion and you failed to respond in kind, you print a lengthy diatribe about the law even though, again, the poster expressed an opinion and was not discussing a legal point. When it is pointed out the post you are supposed to be responding was an opinion and not a legal point, you again discuss the law even though it has nothing to do with the post you are supposed to be responding to. I'm not sure if you really know anythnig about the law, but common sense and logic is lacking.



Apparently I do have an understanding of the law because I correctly indicated that there are, in fact, reasons that are not permissible under the law for an employer to fire an employee, and you are the one who incorrectly stated there are absolutely zero restrictions on the reasons an employer can have for firing an employee.

Your suggestion that the fact that my statement was correct and your statement was not somehow proves I don't know the law and you do seems a bit odd. I suppose if you said 1+1=3 and I said 1+1=2 that in your mind would prove I don't know math and you do.

I think that lack of common sense and logic is rearing its ugly head again.

We were talking about "free speech" and firing someone - that was the context of teh response. Offensive is not the issue. that is a federal government censorship/legal issue. Franco was not fined by the govt for his speech. Catch up..

I don;t have time to cite every offshoot case regarding at-will employment protections and classes. You made that jump to confuse the topic of free speech and employers right to dismiss someone becasue of it. If you are that dumb or grasping at straws about pregnancy, I have nothing else for you.

Sorry life and law don't meet your "fair" standards. take the pacifier out and contribute to the discussion and educate someone or at least curtail absurd:

Topic:
Me: "At-will allows a private company to fire someone for speech" (provides case)

You: "Pregnant women, hammer, toothbrush" - provide "opinion":rolleyes:
 

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Stautner;4253016 said:
Huh? Do you actually read what you respond to? You mindlessly respond to a post expressing an opinion that what hapened to Franco Harrris was offensive by saying "completely incorrect" with no explaination. When it is pointed that the poster expressed his opinion and you failed to respond in kind, you print a lengthy diatribe about the law even though, again, the poster expressed an opinion and was not discussing a legal point. When it is pointed out the post you are supposed to be responding was an opinion and not a legal point, you again discuss the law even though it has nothing to do with the post you are supposed to be responding to. I'm not sure if you really know anythnig about the law, but common sense and logic is lacking.
Oh and to prove you wrong, again, my "completely wrong" comment was addressing the following


quote from vta - Pg 1 post 4

No it shouldn't. He voiced his opinion on the matter. Regardless of how any might feel about him or if they disagree with his opinion, no one should give assent to men being fired for voicing an opinion.

It's more offensive than anything he said in that comment.



The courts have ruled so "copmpletely wrong" means judges think "completely wrong" as well.
 

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McLovin;4253132 said:
Oh and to prove you wrong, again, my "completely wrong" comment was addressing the following


quote from vta - Pg 1 post 4

No it shouldn't. He voiced his opinion on the matter. Regardless of how any might feel about him or if they disagree with his opinion, no one should give assent to men being fired for voicing an opinion.

It's more offensive than anything he said in that comment.



The courts have ruled so "copmpletely wrong" means judges think "completely wrong" as well.

What are you babbling about?
What courts and which judges? The guy got canned for voicing his opinion. It stinks any way you look at it. Legal, courts, judges? Who gives a crap, I wasn't talking about the law.
 

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McLovin;4253112 said:
We were talking about "free speech" and firing someone - that was the context of teh response. Offensive is not the issue. that is a federal government censorship/legal issue. Franco was not fined by the govt for his speech. Catch up..

I don;t have time to cite every offshoot case regarding at-will employment protections and classes. You made that jump to confuse the topic of free speech and employers right to dismiss someone becasue of it. If you are that dumb or grasping at straws about pregnancy, I have nothing else for you.

Sorry life and law don't meet your "fair" standards. take the pacifier out and contribute to the discussion and educate someone or at least curtail absurd:

Topic:
Me: "At-will allows a private company to fire someone for speech" (provides case)

You: "Pregnant women, hammer, toothbrush" - provide "opinion":rolleyes:

Oh, so when you quoted the poster and responded by saying "Completely incorrect", you weren't responding to that poster at all, but rather some unknown post or group of posts written by some unknown poster or group of posters somewhere else throughout the thread?

I'm curious, since you didn't explain what was "Completely incorrect", and since you weren't actually responding to the post you quoted, were we supposed to just guess at what specific portions of what specific posts by what specific posters you actually were responding to when wrote "Completely incorrect"?

I'm also curious how you don't have time to cite every case regarding the restrictions on things employers can legally fire employees for, yet you found time, and found it appropriate, to write a longpost claiming there are absolutely no restrictions on the things employers can legally fire employees for. "Even if morally reprehensible" - do you remeber writing that?

By the way, who asked you to cite every case? I didn't. All you had to do was correctly state that there are some restrictions on why an employer can fire an employee, yet you claimed the opposite. You claimed an absolute freedom from restriction on why an employer can fire an empoyee. Again, you specifically said "even if morally reprehensible". You claimed an absolute, and now that you are faced with having to admit your absolute was a false claim, you are embarassed because in your haste to impress people with your knowledge of the law you claimed that employee rights don't exist that any reasonable person knows do exist.
 
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