Fred Taylor's son breaks Emmitt Smith's HS record

[YosemiteSam]

I'm sorry, but that is impressive at any level.

I love how people act like this game is so freaking easy.

For some of us it is.

 

[Hostile]

For some of us it is.

Point out your records brah, I want to worship.

 

[joseephuss]

I salute talent, but doing at the high school (or college) level isn't all that impressive. (only 2.4% of college players become pros) When you break records pro level. THEN I accept it as greatness.

Give Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith, Eric Dickerson, or whomever else enough chances or a shot at enough TERRIBLE teams, they would shatter numerous records.

We are talking high school. Might as well be fleas playing defense.

I don't understand your point. Sanders, Smith and Dickerson all played high school football and had enough shots at terrible teams.

Of course it is all relative and no one is saying that just because he is doing well at high school that he will go on and do well in college and the pros. It is an impressive feat. If it wasn't, then anyone could do it. The fact that the record is held by Emmitt Smith shows just how difficult a task it is. Emmitt was great at all levels of football and it took someone like him to set the Florida high school record. Anyone approaching or breaking that record should be commended. It doesn't matter if they end up doing nothing in college or the pros.

 

[joseephuss]

It is a game, and games in general are pretty freaking easy. It may take a lot of talent and hard work to be great at, but it is still just a game.

I get your point, but that sounds overly simplistic. At the same time you could apply that to more than just games. There are lots of things in life that in general are easy. Just depends on what level you are. The more advanced the level, the less easy it becomes. Pop Warner football may be easy, but the NFL game is not easy.

 

[Stautner]

I salute talent, but doing at the high school (or college) level isn't all that impressive. (only 2.4% of college players become pros) When you break records pro level. THEN I accept it as greatness.

Give Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith, Eric Dickerson, or whomever else enough chances or a shot at enough TERRIBLE teams, they would shatter numerous records.

We are talking high school. Might as well be fleas playing defense.

Come on, of course it's impressive. What you are talking about is whether a high school accomplishment guarantess greatness in the future, and that's a different topic than whether the high shool accomplishment is impressive.

 

[Hostile]

Taylor's son has a long way to go to catch the real record.

Sugar Land, Texas was the home of Ken Hall in the the early 1950's. Playing QB and RB he was literally a one man army.

Hall holds the all time High School rushing record of 11,232 yards. Think about that for a second. To match his record a player would have to average over 2800 yards per season for 4 seasons.

He holds the record for most yards in one season with 4045 in 1953. That is rushing not passing folks. Nearly half of Emmitt's Florida record in one season.

In 1953 he averaged 32.9 points per game as he scored 395 points on the 12 game season.

He scored 899 points in his HS career.

Bear Bryant tried to turn him into a DB, and considered it one of the biggest mistakes of his career. Hall was one the boys who played for Texas A & M known as the Junction Boys.

Sadly Hall's NFL career saw less yards than Murray put up against the Rams.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I don't understand your point. Sanders, Smith and Dickerson all played high school football and had enough shots at terrible teams.

The point is, they did it in the NFL. The NFL is the elite talent in all of football. Running wild against high school players isn't impressive.

Look at the Longhorns. They rushed for 400+ yards what two weeks ago, yet they are still a second rate team. The best team in college (LSU, Alabama, whoever) would get slaughtered by the worse NFL team.

Running against a team stacked with no talent just isn't impressive to me. That is the point.

How many times have we seen RBs put up HUGE numbers in college only to become busts in the NFL.

The reason is the level of talent they are playing again goes way way up. They weren't that good, they were just better than the talentless defenders they were playing against.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Come on, of course it's impressive. What you are talking about is whether a high school accomplishment guarantess greatness in the future

That has nothing to do with what I said. All I said is running for lots of yards at the high school level does not impress me.

high school and college are nothing but developmental leagues. Most of the players aren't developed at all. 2.3% of college players make it in the pros. What does that say for high school kids?

Exactly. That is why I'm not impressed. I played TE in college. I had several 100 yard receiving days and we were a run first school. I was no great TE. The defense just sucked that much.

 

[Stautner]

The point is, they did it in the NFL. The NFL is the elite talent in all of football. Running wild against high school players isn't impressive.

Look at the Longhorns. They rushed for 400+ yards what two weeks ago, yet they are still a second rate team. The best team in college (LSU, Alabama, whoever) would get slaughtered by the worse NFL team.

Running against a team stacked with no talent just isn't impressive to me. That is the point.

How many times have we seen RBs put up HUGE numbers in college only to become busts in the NFL.

The reason is the level of talent they are playing again goes way way up. They weren't that good, they were just better than the talentless defenders they were playing against.

You think all of those 8,795 yards and 141 TD's were against teams with no talent on defense? Do you think none of the great NFL rushing leaders ever played against the lower level defenses?

Come on, you have to be able to separate points in time. 8,795 yards is damn impressive in high school, and particularly in Florida where high school football is huge. Nobody is saying you have to consider him in the same league as Emmitt or think of him as a sure fire NFL star. That's not the context in which his records were accomplished, nor the context in which his records should be judged, yet you are trying to put him in that context. Within the context of high school football in one of the most competitive states for high school football, what he accomplished is damn impressive.

If it's such an unimpressive record why did it take 25 years for someone to break it?

 

[YosemiteSam]

You think all of those 8,795 yards and 141 TD's were against teams with no talent on defense? Do you think none of the great NFL rushing leaders ever played against the lower level defenses?

Come on, you have to be able to separate points in time. 8,795 yards is damn impressive in high school, and particularly in Florida where high school football is huge. Nobody is saying you have to consider him in the same league as Emmitt or think of him as a sure fire NFL star. That's not the context in which his records were accomplished, nor the context in which his records should be judged, yet you are trying to put him in that context. Within the context of high school football in one of the most competitive states for high school football, what he accomplished is damn impressive.

If it's such an unimpressive record why did it take 25 years for someone to break it?

lol. I didn't say he didn't have talent, I said I'm not impressed by doing it against talentless defenses. Jeez dude.

 

[Stautner]

lol. I didn't say he didn't have talent, I said I'm not impressed by doing it against talentless defenses. Jeez dude.

And, again, you are telling me that 8,975 yards and 141 TD's was built solely on playing against bottom barrel defenses? What do you base that thought on?

 

[YosemiteSam]

And, again, you are telling me that 8,975 yards and 141 TD's was built solely on playing against bottom barrel defenses? What do you base that thought on?

Do you always dismiss everything and take account of a single detail then base your argument on that single detail?

I said the kid is talented. :bang2:

 

[Stautner]

Do you always dismiss everything and take account of a single detail then base your argument on that single detail?

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I said the kid is talented. :bang2:

Lots of kids are talented, not many break 25 year old records, and I'm not the one who dismissed those accomplisments as being unimpressive.

Seems to me you are saying no accomplishment is "impressive" unless it is attained while at the highest possible level against the highest possible level of competition. As if there is only one standard for all people, regardless of age or background, and that the standard for all football accomplishments is how a player would fare against NFL level competion - never mind we are talking about a 17 year old kid.

I disagree. I believe an accomplishment can be impressive at any level of competition as long as you are competing against people who are also at the same level. If a 5th grader dominates all 5th grade level competition, that's impressive. Of course it's not as impressive as if it were at the NFL level, but for Pete's sake, we are talking about 5th graders (or in Talylor's case, high schoolers). It's still impressive for that level of competition.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Seems to me you are saying no accomplishment is "impressive" unless it is attained while at the highest possible level against the highest possible level of competition.

Okay. That is what I'm saying...

 

[Stautner]

Okay. That is what I'm saying...

If I'm understanding you incorrectly please let me know.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Thats nice. Good for you.

Im guessing since its unimpressive, and easy to do against talentless teams, that you've got some impressive numbers from high school that you can tell us about?

I mean numbers that we'd find impressive but you thought were just nothing?

 

[Stautner]

Alabama, Florida, Florida State, Miami, etc.

i guess they all think his accomplishments are pretty impressive.

 

[joseephuss]

I guess Coach K should not bother trying to win against Michigan St. tonight. What good is the record for most career college victories? It isn't the NBA, so it doesn't really mean anything.

 

[JBond]

That has nothing to do with what I said. All I said is running for lots of yards at the high school level does not impress me.

high school and college are nothing but developmental leagues. Most of the players aren't developed at all. 2.3% of college players make it in the pros. What does that say for high school kids?

Exactly. That is why I'm not impressed. I played TE in college. I had several 100 yard receiving days and we were a run first school. I was no great TE. The defense just sucked that much.

As a guy who has played a little RB (also safety, kicker and emergency QB) in high school, I find it extremely impressive. How many yards did you have?