Free Agency: Darren Sharper, S

[casmith07]

Sharper. 1 yr 4 million dollar contract. Seeya Hamlin.

Draft Nate Allen in the 2nd. Have him learn a year, maybe even getting a few snaps at the star position in some packages.

He takes over in 2011 at FS for the next ten years.

Agreed except on the contract figures - Sharper won't sign for 1 year...that's why he's not still in New Orleans right now.

Agree 100% on drafting Nate Allen.

Change your sig to Darren Sharper, kthx. :laugh1:

 

[dbair1967]

I would hardly call these numbers "done."

2007 - 63 tackles, 8 PD, 4 INT, 1 TD
2008 - 69 tackles, 5 PD, 1 INT

Consider the fact that he was playing on a team that had basically nobody playing cornerback, nobody playing Strong Safety, and nobody playing on offense either except for Adrian Peterson. And they were still a playoff/Super Bowl favorite.

Sharper would be even better in Dallas than in New Orleans - he wouldn't have to play Mr. Cover-Your-Butt for his CBs and pick off passes and roam in double coverage all over the field because you can actually leave Newman and Jenkins on an island and be okay. Mike MacKenzie? Not so much.

Just repeating what many said, that he was a shadow of his former self there. To say they had nobody playing CB isnt accurate either. And they've always had a stout defensive front.

I'm not totally opposed to it, but at some point age is going to catch up to him bigtime. He's getting up there. I tend to think this season was more of a mirage than anything else. Old safeties dont remain playmakers very long, at some point not being able to run is a huge detriment.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

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Nuff said.

 

[LatinMind]

I think if Hamlin is released this year, his cap hit for the next year or two is significantly less than what it would be if we waited a year.

this is hamlins 3rd yr of the deal

Signing bonus - $9 million
2008 base salary - $605,000
2009 - $4.305 million
2010 - $5.596 million
2011 - $5 million
2012 - $6 million
2013 - $7 million

salaries in 2008 and 2009 were guaranteed. and in the first 3 yrs of the deal he was 19.506 mil, which comes out to 1.5 mil a yr for signing bonus

hes owed 7096000 this yr. he wont be cut. then hes still owed another 4.5 guranteed for the remaining 3 yrs.

 

[yimyammer]

Sharper is 10 times better than Hamlin!!!!!

(Cue the Hos)

 

[casmith07]

this is hamlins 3rd yr of the deal

Signing bonus - $9 million
2008 base salary - $605,000
2009 - $4.305 million
2010 - $5.596 million
2011 - $5 million
2012 - $6 million
2013 - $7 million

salaries in 2008 and 2009 were guaranteed. and in the first 3 yrs of the deal he was 19.506 mil, which comes out to 1.5 mil a yr for signing bonus

hes owed 7096000 this yr. he wont be cut. then hes still owed another 4.5 guranteed for the remaining 3 yrs.

Not sure where you got that. I got this:

Hamlin is guaranteed around $1 million of his $5.596 million base in 2010. If the system didn't change, it would cost the Cowboys about $2 million of cap room.

Under the upcoming system, it would cost them the $1 million or so Hamlin is due.

Source: http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sharedc.../stories/022410dnspoarcheritem.1490a597e.html

 

[Hostile]

I have no interest in adding Darren Sharper. I expect to be virtually alone in that opinion. It will shock and dismay some. They will think I am disbanding the clique that doesn't exist. It may force them to look only at opinions instead of personalities. It is damned cruel of me to destroy myths in such a haphazard fashion.

 

[adamknite]

I thought we should of signed him years ago when he left Green Bay. Now, not so much, but I wouldn't be mad or anything if we did.

 

[gimmesix]

I don't know what the hell Jerry is doing.

He's being way too cute.

So because you don't know what he's doing, he's being way too cute?

Maybe, just maybe, he and his staff have a plan.

 

[yimyammer]

In all seriousness, I'm no expert but I'm not wild about signing a 34 year old safety that may prevent another player from developing or for that matter failing so the team can find the right person, especially if he impacts the cap that could return in the future. Perhaps if Dallas could get a good contract like NO got with him last year, it might make sense, but I'm sure he'll just stay in NO if he cant get the big bucks.

If I am going to wish for anything, I hope we have the talent evaluators on staff that can find and develop youth in this and all positions.

 

[Hostile]

In all seriousness, I'm no expert but I'm not wild about signing a 34 year old safety that may prevent another player from developing or for that matter failing so the team can find the right person, especially if he impacts the cap that could return in the future. Perhaps if Dallas could get a good contract like NO got with him last year, it might make sense, but I'm sure he'll just stay in NO if he cant get the big bucks.

If I am going to wish for anything, I hope we have the talent evaluators on staff that can find and develop youth in this and all positions.

Damnit yim. I wanted to be all alone in not wanting him. You want him right now.

:wink2:

 

[SLATEmosphere]

So because you don't know what he's doing, he's being way too cute?

Maybe, just maybe, he and his staff have a plan.

Doubt it.

I honestly don't know where this franchise is headed.

We used to wheal n deal and now we are extremely frugile.

I have no clue what our strategy is.

 

[Hostile]

Doubt it.

I honestly don't know where this franchise is headed.

We used to wheal n deal and now we are extremely frugile.

I have no clue what our strategy is.

Never mind...shut the hell up Hos.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Never mind...shut the hell up Hos.

not saying it's bad.

Just don't get these Dr Jekyl and Mr. Hyde offseasons.

 

[yimyammer]

Damnit yim. I wanted to be all alone in not wanting him. You want him right now.

:wink2:

I honestly have no expertise to say either way.

If I could see into the future and know how he would impact the team and that a younger player couldn't be drafted and perform quickly, then it could make sense.

Since I'm no Nostradamus, I'll just stick to judging the past and continue *****ing about the Roy Williams trade

 

[Bob Sacamano]

In all seriousness, I'm no expert but I'm not wild about signing a 34 year old safety that may prevent another player from developing or for that matter failing so the team can find the right person, especially if he impacts the cap that could return in the future. Perhaps if Dallas could get a good contract like NO got with him last year, it might make sense, but I'm sure he'll just stay in NO if he cant get the big bucks.

If I am going to wish for anything, I hope we have the talent evaluators on staff that can find and develop youth in this and all positions.

Ken Hamlin is going to do that if he stays here, and I don't think Dallas gets rid of him w/o a viable vet to take his place. Might as well get a real FS in here.

 

[Hostile]

I honestly have no expertise to say either way.

If I could see into the future and know how he would impact the team and that a younger player couldn't be drafted and perform quickly, then it could make sense.

Since I'm no Nostradamus, I'll just stick to judging the past and continue *****ing about the Roy Williams trade

Yeah but man, I don't need yet another person to be accused of needing to find a hotel room with. Here is my chance to be a contrarian and have no one agree with me and you gotta screw everything up. I hope you can live with the shame that accompanies agreeing with me.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Yeah but man, I don't need yet another person to be accused of needing to find a hotel room with. Here is my chance to be a contrarian and have no one agree with me and you gotta screw everything up. I hope you can live with the shame that accompanies agreeing with me.

No one has a problem with people agreeing with you, Hos. Just the pack mentality that always seems to swirl around you if some don't toe the Party (Dallas Cowboy, not what me and you discussed via PM) line. The guffaws, Internet back slaps and, "boy, Hos, you really owned that guy! hahaha ones"

 

[Hostile]

not saying it's bad.

Just don't get these Dr Jekyl and Mr. Hyde offseasons.

You doubt there's an off season plan, even after the strategy they've used in the tender offers?

Is there ever a desire to simply not be a reactionary and try and learn from what is really going on?


Edit...80k. Didn't even realize.

 

[Bluestang]

Count me in the very, very small group that doesn't want to sign this guy. I watched alot of NO games and Sharper cannpt tackle a RB to save his life. He is horrible in run support and was one of the prime reasons that NO was terrible against the run (and why we were effective against them). He made Joseph Addai look like a superstar in the Super Bowl.

His age is of concern too but he may also not fit into this system. Just because he was successful in NO doesn't mean it will translate here. I'm ready to get rid Hamlin like everyone else but not with another aging vet.