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I think DT/DE is the obvious draft preference.
Safety should be a consideration given on-field performance there.

OT-wise Dallas likes Parnell and Weems. You'd like one to replace Free in 2015. Parnell looked solid there in 2012 so you'd hope he is ready by 2015 for sure.

We know it is going to be costly but mandatory to resign Smith.
Tossing another R1 at RT is overkill in that group considering the state of everything else is pretty friggin bad.

I get that Dallas fans hated neglecting the OL for a long time then it fell apart to be junk but as we saw it takes years to address even when using high picks.
Dallas needs to keep the OL improving with good coaching and a yearly draft selection somewhere; but if it is round 1 that's because you suck at drafting IMHO.

Good point on overdoing it by doubling down on first round tackles but those contracts would be years apart with the RT being cheaper, etc. I do hear ya on overinvesting in one position but it seems like if one place to do it would be the OL; especially with the game trending towards offense and rules being relaxed allowing for more scores. Holding amongst the OL is getting to the point of traveling in the NBA in how refs turn blind eyes. Ideally some improved Guard play, even with Mack/Leary's improvement would probably be cheaper and more conducive. I just don't like Free's game @ all as a finesse RT who is somehow a better RB than PBer?
 

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So cap wise it isn't the right move (T) seeing how strapped we are? With that in mind, DL are the most expensive FAs so it would make sense to go that way in the draft early and often. Just hope a Safety is in play early. I know your head will probably explode with this question, so no chance of Ward from CLE?

Keep in mind that by OL play can get the QB injured. Romo is in his mid thirties and has had 2 back surgeries in the past year. They can't cut him for another 2 years due the cap implications.

The Cowboys have zero depth at Guard unless you like the idea of Costa at Center with Fred moving to Guard in the event of an injury to either Guard. Both Bern and Leary have injury question marks.

Bad play by the DL just loses a game at worst case. It does not get the QB injured.
 

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Keep in mind that by OL play can get the QB injured. Romo is in his mid thirties and has had 2 back surgeries in the past year. They can't cut him for another 2 years due the cap implications.

The Cowboys have zero depth at Guard unless you like the idea of Costa at Center with Fred moving to Guard in the event of an injury to either Guard. Both Bern and Leary have injury question marks.

Bad play by the DL just loses a game at worst case. It does not get the QB injured.

Are there early round G's available that "justify" picking over DL. I know I would be fine with that, or draft the T and play him @ guard (Flo like posted) if possible (ridding Free next year)...seen other posters say draft is deep with DL so T/G unless blue chipper drops? I love Romo (when healthy and the deep ball is back) but don't see the total harm drafting a QB if one drops. Can trade him if Romo proves 100% or develop him to take over, etc. I really like the offensive core of this team, unfortunately I despise the offensive staff (JG mainly of course).
 
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Sensible approach. Big money signings have terrible track record anyway. A couple guys in the Bern mold make sense. Then you draft a couple.

Another guy I like is Mike Neal from the Packers. I think he is playing OLB in their scheme, but has the size and history to play DE and even potentially DT (which I believe he was in college). I really think these are the type of less expensive signings we need to gravitate toward this off-season.
 

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Are there early round G's available that "justify" picking over DL. I know I would be fine with that, or draft the T and play him @ guard (Flo like posted) if possible (ridding Free next year)...seen other posters say draft is deep with DL so T/G unless blue chipper drops? I love Romo (when healthy and the deep ball is back) but don't see the total harm drafting a QB if one drops. Can trade him if Romo proves 100% or develop him to take over, etc. I really like the offensive core of this team, unfortunately I despise the offensive staff (JG mainly of course).

It's difficult to know who will be available at #17 or #16 at this point in the draft process.

The main thing is to look back at past drafts and see that being over-focused on need can lead to trouble. Look at the 2009 draft. They passed on LeSean McCoy because the player they wanted (OL Max Unger) got picked a few spots ahead of them and they had just picked Felix Jones the previous year.

The Cowboys don't need to over-focus on the 2014 season. A team that didn't make it to the playoffs should focus on peaking in 2 years, not the following season. I would make all decisions with an eye on 2015. That does not indicate they have to be bad in 2014, but focusing on 2015 will prevent them from making dumb decisions like Franchising Spencer in 2013.

Anyone focused on 2015 will be unlikely to re-sign Hatcher or Spencer and would only keep Ware with a drastic pay cut.

If they sign 25 to 28 year old free agents, those players should be fully versed on the scheme by 2015 and be at their peak within the scheme by then.
 

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Another guy I like is Mike Neal from the Packers. I think he is playing OLB in their scheme, but has the size and history to play DE and even potentially DT (which I believe he was in college). I really think these are the type of less expensive signings we need to gravitate toward this off-season.

Interesting player. Mike Neal might be the biggest OLB in the league at 6-3, 285.
 

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It's difficult to know who will be available at #17 or #16 at this point in the draft process.

The main thing is to look back at past drafts and see that being over-focused on need can lead to trouble. Look at the 2009 draft. They passed on LeSean McCoy because the player they wanted (OL Max Unger) got picked a few spots ahead of them and they had just picked Felix Jones the previous year.

The Cowboys don't need to over-focus on the 2014 season. A team that didn't make it to the playoffs should focus on peaking in 2 years, not the following season. I would make all decisions with an eye on 2015. That does not indicate they have to be bad in 2014, but focusing on 2015 will prevent them from making dumb decisions like Franchising Spencer in 2013.

Anyone focused on 2015 will be unlikely to re-sign Hatcher or Spencer and would only keep Ware with a drastic pay cut.

If they sign 25 to 28 year old free agents, those players should be fully versed on the scheme by 2015 and be at their peak within the scheme by then.

No there will not be any Guards avail at 16 or 17 to justify taking over a DE,DT,S,QB,WR,LB,CB,T,RB maybe over a P,K maybe even a C but nothing else
 

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I think priority has to go to DT, DE, FS, OG, OLB. With the draft, UDFAs and FAs they can bring in 8-12 new players and hopefully 3-5 starters. I think the whole DL has to be replaced from last year's projected starters of Spencer, Hatcher, Ratliff and Ware. They will probably restructure Ware one more time and Selvie, Crawford and Bass can rotate in, but a DT and a DE are a must.
 

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I think priority has to go to DT, DE, FS, OG, OLB. With the draft, UDFAs and FAs they can bring in 8-12 new players and hopefully 3-5 starters. I think the whole DL has to be replaced from last year's projected starters of Spencer, Hatcher, Ratliff and Ware. They will probably restructure Ware one more time and Selvie, Crawford and Bass can rotate in, but a DT and a DE are a must.

This yr you can expect to see Crawford starting. LDE or DT, my bet is DT.
 

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I think priority has to go to DT, DE, FS, OG, OLB. With the draft, UDFAs and FAs they can bring in 8-12 new players and hopefully 3-5 starters.

Not sure we can do that without maybe trading down and picking up a few more picks.
 

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Austin IMO probably wants out of Dallas just as much as fans want him out. He is a non factor.

If Miles Austin wants out, he'll get his wish.

Austin is a major factor in the 2014 salary cap.

He will either take a drastic pay cut to remain with the team, $4M in my example, or he will be released as a June cut, which would open up over $5M in cap space.

If Austin takes a pay cut, the team would add $4M or whatever the amount is immediately to their cap. The June release would bring the $5M plus in cap space in that month, which should cover the rookie class' cap hit and Dez Bryant's new cap number if he gets extended around training camp.


Dallas isnt going to have any real significant money.

Austin taking a pay cut along with the restructures and the 2 cuts I proposed would create over $17.3M in cap room.

Releasing Austin as a June designee would create over $13.3M in immediate room with the wideout's $5.5M getting added in June.

How is $13 to $17M (and change) not significant?

Dallas can create even more room than I'm showing if they want to add a 5th year to Ware, Witten and Carr's contracts to enable maximum proration.

The team wouldn't be pushing any more guaranteed money into future years, it would simply count less on a yearly basis.


If they did they would Resign hatcher.

The Cowboys can create enough room to use the Franchise tag on Jason Hatcher if they have the mind to.

No, I'm not saying they plan to or that I support such a move.

Hatcher will be allowed to test the open market and see what kind of nibbles he gets. If Hatch lands a nice contract, he's gone. If he doesn't, Dallas will remain in play.

But they know they wont have the money to do that and sign cheaper FAs to fill out the roster and the money to sign its draft picks.

I don't expect the team to go looking for a big fish in free agency, but they have the cap flexibility to afford most anyone they desire if such a situation presents itself.

Cheap tier two free agents are exactly that, cheap.

The draft class is a non-issue, all of them won't even qualify for the top 51 during the off-season through pre-season. Just the picks in rounds 1-6 and the signing bonus money from any rookies on the roster outside of the top 51 will count against the cap.

Dallas will use less than $2M in cap space on their upcoming rookie class during the off-season while the rule of 51 is in play.

Remember, anytime a player with a qualifying contract is added, you must also subtract the contract of the player getting replaced.


But if Ware and Austin are released Dallas will be out of cap hell in 2015.

The team isn't in cap hell.

If Ware gets restructured, he can still be released for huge savings in 2015, if needed.

If Austin takes a pay cut and remains, he'll have to do the same in 2015 to stick again. There's no difference to the 2015 cap if Austin is a June release in 2014 or a regular release in 2015.


If they restructure Ware the same problems will keep going.

The team would still be able to release Ware, if needed, in 2015 while saving over $6M against the cap.

If the team restructures in 2014 and Ware's game doesn't return, the team will be in position to talk about a Doug Free pay cut in 2015 or getting released. The difference between then and now is we don't have an alternative residing on the roster at this moment.

Maybe we will next year.


Dallas has big contracts to Tyron and Dez in 2015 coming up so i think they better handle this cap situation this yr.

Dallas typically structures their big contracts to be restructured in years two and three, thus allowing for small cap hits in the early years of the deal.

These extensions shouldn't start eating significant cap space until around 2017.

Most of the current big money deals (Ware, Witten, Austin) will be gone by that time.

It's a non-issue.

The salary cap will continue to increase, the team will rid itself of a big contract or two every year and extend the young players they feel are deserving.
 

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Great stuff. I was trying to find info about those PPEs for guys like Murray.

I never gave it much thought until the ESPN guy tried to sensationalize the Cowboys' 2014 cap issues a while back.

One of the things he did to reach such a bloated team cap number was have any player eligible for an incentive meet that goal. That included DeMarco Murray, David Arkin and Dwayne Harris all hitting the PPE.

Murray is the only one who will.

Here's the actual PPE clause in the NFL CBA.

When you view the CBA, go to page 43 to read about the PPE.


Also how much are the Cowboys able to roll-over? I have read that the cap will be 127m next year and any rollover added to that would be great

Right now, the 2014 unadjusted NFL salary cap is being estimated at $126.3M.

The $127M number you've heard about is the estimated Dallas Cowboys' adjusted 2014 team cap number, which includes their rollover amount from 2013.

My estimate for the team's cap number is $127.555047M.

ESPNDallas' Todd Archer, by far the best beat reporter for salary cap stuff, estimated the 2014 team cap at $127.6M in a blog today.
 

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If Miles Austin wants out, he'll get his wish.

Austin is a major factor in the 2014 salary cap.

He will either take a drastic pay cut to remain with the team, $4M in my example, or he will be released as a June cut, which would open up over $5M in cap space.

If Austin takes a pay cut, the team would add $4M or whatever the amount is immediately to their cap. The June release would bring the $5M plus in cap space in that month, which should cover the rookie class' cap hit and Dez Bryant's new cap number if he gets extended around training camp.




Austin taking a pay cut along with the restructures and the 2 cuts I proposed would create over $17.3M in cap room.

Releasing Austin as a June designee would create over $13.3M in immediate room with the wideout's $5.5M getting added in June.

How is $13 to $17M (and change) not significant?

Dallas can create even more room than I'm showing if they want to add a 5th year to Ware, Witten and Carr's contracts to enable maximum proration.

The team wouldn't be pushing any more guaranteed money into future years, it would simply count less on a yearly basis.




The Cowboys can create enough room to use the Franchise tag on Jason Hatcher if they have the mind to.

No, I'm not saying they plan to or that I support such a move.

Hatcher will be allowed to test the open market and see what kind of nibbles he gets. If Hatch lands a nice contract, he's gone. If he doesn't, Dallas will remain in play.



I don't expect the team to go looking for a big fish in free agency, but they have the cap flexibility to afford most anyone they desire if such a situation presents itself.

Cheap tier two free agents are exactly that, cheap.

The draft class is a non-issue, all of them won't even qualify for the top 51 during the off-season through pre-season. Just the picks in rounds 1-6 and the signing bonus money from any rookies on the roster outside of the top 51 will count against the cap.

Dallas will use less than $2M in cap space on their upcoming rookie class during the off-season while the rule of 51 is in play.

Remember, anytime a player with a qualifying contract is added, you must also subtract the contract of the player getting replaced.




The team isn't in cap hell.

If Ware gets restructured, he can still be released for huge savings in 2015, if needed.

If Austin takes a pay cut and remains, he'll have to do the same in 2015 to stick again. There's no difference to the 2015 cap if Austin is a June release in 2014 or a regular release in 2015.




The team would still be able to release Ware, if needed, in 2015 while saving over $6M against the cap.

If the team restructures in 2014 and Ware's game doesn't return, the team will be in position to talk about a Doug Free pay cut in 2015 or getting released. The difference between then and now is we don't have an alternative residing on the roster at this moment.

Maybe we will next year.




Dallas typically structures their big contracts to be restructured in years two and three, thus allowing for small cap hits in the early years of the deal.

These extensions shouldn't start eating significant cap space until around 2017.

Most of the current big money deals (Ware, Witten, Austin) will be gone by that time.

It's a non-issue.

The salary cap will continue to increase, the team will rid itself of a big contract or two every year and extend the young players they feel are deserving.

OK 13-17 mil in cap. take off 3 mil to tender Bailey and Jones. thats 10-14, Subtract 5-6 for draft picks, thats 5-7 mil left.Then add 3-4 mil for the season every team keeps around for injuries and such. Whats left in all this cap that Dallas is saving?
 

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If Miles Austin wants out, he'll get his wish.

Austin is a major factor in the 2014 salary cap.

He will either take a drastic pay cut to remain with the team, $4M in my example, or he will be released as a June cut, which would open up over $5M in cap space.

If Austin takes a pay cut, the team would add $4M or whatever the amount is immediately to their cap. The June release would bring the $5M plus in cap space in that month, which should cover the rookie class' cap hit and Dez Bryant's new cap number if he gets extended around training camp.




Austin taking a pay cut along with the restructures and the 2 cuts I proposed would create over $17.3M in cap room.

Releasing Austin as a June designee would create over $13.3M in immediate room with the wideout's $5.5M getting added in June.

How is $13 to $17M (and change) not significant?

Dallas can create even more room than I'm showing if they want to add a 5th year to Ware, Witten and Carr's contracts to enable maximum proration.

The team wouldn't be pushing any more guaranteed money into future years, it would simply count less on a yearly basis.




The Cowboys can create enough room to use the Franchise tag on Jason Hatcher if they have the mind to.

No, I'm not saying they plan to or that I support such a move.

Hatcher will be allowed to test the open market and see what kind of nibbles he gets. If Hatch lands a nice contract, he's gone. If he doesn't, Dallas will remain in play.



I don't expect the team to go looking for a big fish in free agency, but they have the cap flexibility to afford most anyone they desire if such a situation presents itself.

Cheap tier two free agents are exactly that, cheap.

The draft class is a non-issue, all of them won't even qualify for the top 51 during the off-season through pre-season. Just the picks in rounds 1-6 and the signing bonus money from any rookies on the roster outside of the top 51 will count against the cap.

Dallas will use less than $2M in cap space on their upcoming rookie class during the off-season while the rule of 51 is in play.

Remember, anytime a player with a qualifying contract is added, you must also subtract the contract of the player getting replaced.




The team isn't in cap hell.

If Ware gets restructured, he can still be released for huge savings in 2015, if needed.

If Austin takes a pay cut and remains, he'll have to do the same in 2015 to stick again. There's no difference to the 2015 cap if Austin is a June release in 2014 or a regular release in 2015.




The team would still be able to release Ware, if needed, in 2015 while saving over $6M against the cap.

If the team restructures in 2014 and Ware's game doesn't return, the team will be in position to talk about a Doug Free pay cut in 2015 or getting released. The difference between then and now is we don't have an alternative residing on the roster at this moment.

Maybe we will next year.




Dallas typically structures their big contracts to be restructured in years two and three, thus allowing for small cap hits in the early years of the deal.

These extensions shouldn't start eating significant cap space until around 2017.

Most of the current big money deals (Ware, Witten, Austin) will be gone by that time.

It's a non-issue.

The salary cap will continue to increase, the team will rid itself of a big contract or two every year and extend the young players they feel are deserving.

I wish they would let Dez personally escort Miles from the building with a parking lot of fans there to meet him...maybe wipe that horse smile from his face :)
 

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OK 13-17 mil in cap. take off 3 mil to tender Bailey and Jones. thats 10-14, Subtract 5-6 for draft picks, thats 5-7 mil left.Then add 3-4 mil for the season every team keeps around for injuries and such. Whats left in all this cap that Dallas is saving?

5-6 mil for draft picks?
 

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5-6 mil for draft picks?

As Bluefin said above, it's less than 2M for the draft picks.

I went back and looked at the cap his for each player taken with the 17th pick in each round of the draft. I then subtracted the bottom 7 of the top 51 contracts from that number. The result was 1.5M which is the "cost" to sign the draft picks.
 

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As Bluefin said above, it's less than 2M for the draft picks.

I went back and looked at the cap his for each player taken with the 17th pick in each round of the draft. I then subtracted the bottom 7 of the top 51 contracts from that number. The result was 1.5M which is the "cost" to sign the draft picks.

Thanks!

That 5-6 mil didn't sound right to me.

Certainly it sounds like the team could sign a couple defensive linemen who's first year cap hit was around $3 mil apiece.

Combine those with a couple early draft picks, maybe a well-regarded undrafted FA (think the DL equivalent of Leary here) and a couple scraps from this year's squad and the defensive line would be on its way to being rebuilt– maybe not completely rebuilt, but on its way.
 

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Thanks!

That 5-6 mil didn't sound right to me.

Certainly it sounds like the team could sign a couple defensive linemen who's first year cap hit was around $3 mil apiece.

Combine those with a couple early draft picks, maybe a well-regarded undrafted FA (think the DL equivalent of Leary here) and a couple scraps from this year's squad and the defensive line would be on its way to being rebuilt– maybe not completely rebuilt, but on its way.

They have the resources, they just need to make the correct choices on the players in both FA and the draft.
 
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