Free Agent Pass Rushers

[xwalker]

I'm the only one who has interest in him?

He's the best guy out there. Hope you have fun with the rag-tags!

Calais Campbell would play DT in the Cowboys 4-3 scheme.

 

[Teague31]

What a god awful list. Pass on all of them

 

[LocimusPrime]

I don't think Palmer retires.

Palmer is coming back...you are correct

 

[Gameover]

Calais Campbell would play DT in the Cowboys 4-3 scheme.

I can do that! He's better than McClain

 

[tm1119]

Maybe, maybe not.

But I'm interested in seeing what Mario Addison or DeMarcus Ware could do playing in a rotation with Benson Mayowa at RDE.

You may not get double digits sacks from either one, but together they would get 10+ sacks and plenty of QB pressures.

Rob Marinelli wants to rotate 8 DL during games, but we've never had two worthy RDEs on the roster at the same time.

Ok so Lawrence, Irving, Crawford, and Tapper are splitting time at LDE in your scenario? Not happening...obviously Irving/Crawford would see time at DT too, but 1 of them would be seeing very few snaps regardless. If Lawrence is healthy he's going to get a lot of snaps. And that leaves Tapper probably undressed. And what about a draft pick that we desperately need to invest into the position?

Either go big or go home at RDE in my opinion. Don't overspend on a marginal talent like Addison who won't provide much, if any, pressure upgrade over Lawrence/Mayowa/Irving.

Rather than spend $ on a regrettable 3 year contract for Addison Id rather just bite the bullet and trade up 10 or so spots in the draft for a much more talented pass rusher than Mario Addison.

 

[gmoney112]

Realistically, I'd take Addison. He'll probably still rank #1 on the team in sacks with 400-500 snaps. He'd help with getting off the field on third down.

On defense I'd sign Addison/Tony Jefferson/Carr, resign whoever else, and go into the draft.

 

[Bluefin]

None of this guys are really going to make a huge difference.

Adding a player capable of 6+ sacks to alternate with Benson Mayowa would be a very good thing at RDE.

We're talking about an actual NFL edge rusher replacing the likes of Jack Crawford and Ryan Davis.

Let's see what Mayowa and Irving could do after another year in this scheme.

We're going to see.

But we need 8 DL playing in games and that means keeping 9 or 10 on the active roster.

Jack Crawford actually played 50% of the snaps last season, which was third highest among the DL. He's a good depth player, but that's starter's snaps and he was forced to play a lot at RDE.

We need a real veteran RDE taking his spot.

Mayowa and Irving are going to play, getting better players around them will only help.

Also would Rather just save the money and draft.

The team is competing to go to a Super Bowl and needs to spend money as needed to improve the roster.

And they are committed to building through the draft, that isn't going to change. But it's hard to find impact DL selecting at the bottom of every round and most rookies need to develop for several years before becoming consistent pass rushers.

Dallas needs to cover its bases with a veteran free agent RDE.

Maybe we find someone in the draft, perhaps Mayowa makes a big jump, Irving becomes consistently disruptive, or Charles Tapper emerges and Tank Lawrence stays healthy.

There's just as many questions as their is potential.

 

[Sydla]

Nick Perry
Mario Addison
Jabaal Sheard
Datone Jones
Devin Taylor

How I'd rank the guys we most likely have a realistic shot at....not very encouraging. Do any of them give us a bigger impact than Benny Mayowa did?

Addison had 9.5 sacks last year. If he were to come close to repeating that, he'd have a bigger impact than Mayowa did.

 

[Sydla]

Yes on Nick Perry.

If Addison is a pass rush specialist, then Mayowa would have to be the starter. He's not the ideal guy to be a run down type player.

I guess they could keep DLaw as the starter at RDE with Addison as the pass rush specialist DLaw could move to LDE on some snaps when Addison is in the game. That would leave Mayowa without a spot.

I'm not sure that Sheard is much of an upgrade.

Datone Jones and Devin Taylor would be another LDEs, but they need a RDE.

Melvin Ingram might be possible but his size is borderline.

There was an article from earlier in the season about the Panthers having some tough decisions coming up in FA. They talked about Addison and how people view him as a pass rush specialist but Rivera said he could be an every down DE. They just don't use him that way.

 

[Sydla]

None of this guys are really going to make a huge difference. Let's see what Mayowa and Irving could do after another year in this scheme. Also would Rather just save the money and draft.

Here we go again.

Just pull up the board from last offseason and you'll see the same things........... let's just see how the young guys do, etc.

Addison, Sheard, Perry............... they should be targets and brought in if the price is right. Relying on Mayowa and Irving and hoping Tapper and Lawrence can stay healthy is a recipe for being the same anemic pass rushing team we've always been. They have to bring in a vet.

 

[Sydla]

Realistically, I'd take Addison. He'll probably still rank #1 on the team in sacks with 400-500 snaps. He'd help with getting off the field on third down.

On defense I'd sign Addison/Tony Jefferson/Carr, resign whoever else, and go into the draft.

Addison
Jefferson
Claiborne (I assume he's going to be cheaper).

 

[tm1119]

Addison had 9.5 sacks last year. If he were to come close to repeating that, he'd have a bigger impact than Mayowa did.

Late bloomer or career year in his last shot at getting a decent contract? Not going to pretend to know because I'm not sure I've ever actually seen the guy play (much like everyone campaigning for him), but it's definitely a legit question. The scouting department would have to do their homework on him

 

[Bluefin]

Ok so Lawrence, Irving, Crawford, and Tapper are splitting time at LDE in your scenario?

DeMarcus Lawrence and David Irving would be the primary LDEs.

Tyrone Crawford would play UT and Charles Tapper would be a reserve DE playing on both sides.

If Lawrence is healthy he's going to get a lot of snaps. And that leaves Tapper probably undressed. And what about a draft pick that we desperately need to invest into the position?

If you want actual depth on the defensive line, it means some good players will not dress every week.

The players will know this and it will mean competing harder trying to dress for games and get snaps.

I don't want to see undeserving players like Ryan Davis on the roster or a good tweener like Jack Crawford forced into a starting role at RDE because we don't have enough good players to run the scheme correctly.

Either go big or go home at RDE in my opinion. Don't overspend on a marginal talent like Addison who won't provide much, if any, pressure upgrade over Lawrence/Mayowa/Irving.

It's difficult to go big in free agency at this position.

The studs rarely hit the open market and the cost to sign them when they do is extreme.

You don't seem upset that Dallas overspent on a marginal talent in Benson Mayowa (2 career sacks) last year.

Addison has averaged over 7 sacks the past three seasons, so has DeMarcus Ware.

And I'm talking about adding production to the players you mention, not getting rid of them.

I'm letting the free agents walk. Terrell McClain, Jack Crawford and Ryan Davis.

Rather than spend $ on a regrettable 3 year contract for Addison Id rather just bite the bullet and trade up 10 or so spots in the draft for a much more talented pass rusher than Mario Addison.

Dallas will use free agency, including its own players and new ones, to patch as many roster holes a s possible before the draft arrives.

We don't know exactly what they will do, but it will take place long before the draft arrives. The team can't plan their off-season around the idea they will just trade up for perceived help at DE. The Cowboys have to be prepared for anything.

Maybe a targeted edge rusher does slide within reach, or another position. Maybe there's an enormous run on pass rushers and trading up is impossible.

Address the concern in free agency and be better prepared to respond to however the draft unfolds.

Don't go to the draft absolutely having to come away with a DE you expect to help immediately.

That won't do.

 

[LocimusPrime]

If any of those guys are can get you more than six sorry sacks, sign them. ( if the deal is reasonable or slightly higher than what the players worth)

• If any of those guys on the list can get you 10-12 sacks, then let's do it. Sign them up fast
• Let's add a 10-12 sack guy and a 9-10 sack guy and do double damage. Let's spend about 20 million on those two players please
• You can get rid of any of these guys as necessary to make room: Ryan David, Jack Crawford, mayowa, Gregory, Kyle Wilbur.
• Draft some DEs

 

[Oh_Canada]

I think the idea in FA is going to be upgrading over JCrawford and hope that Tapper and DLaw come back healthy. Don't think they have a shot at JPP and Perry, the only two hands down potential starters.

Andre Branch would come at a reasonable cost.

I still draft two dlineman as well.

 

[Alexander]

The group is awful. The only issue is if we sign one, that makes it all the more likely we feel the group is set. Marinelli might walk into the position group meeting room and decide there are enough bodies.

 

[gmoney112]

Addison
Jefferson
Claiborne (I assume he's going to be cheaper).

I'd actually resign Carr and Claiborne, then take a CB in Round 2 since there's a good chance it will be BPA anyway. I think you can get both of them cheap, and Mo will probably agree to another 1 yr deal. Carr/Claiborne/Scandrick/Brown/Draft pick, when Mo gets injured Brown/Draft pick will battle it out for that position. Gives us a little breathing room to transition, especially if we get a productive pass rusher like Addison. I mean, you can get Carr and Mo for probably under 7 mill combined, especially if Carr will lower his salary for a larger signing bonus (if he plays along, like if we just decide to let him go next year with no guaranteed). Carr isn't the most talented guy, but he's a gamer and a pro and active in the community. He's worth keeping around to knock around the young bucks until we actually have a replacement. I mean why not

I do think it's funny when people say stuff like, "i'd rather save the money" etc.

My question is, why? If it literally won't stop you from signing any of your young guys like Martin, Collins, Lawrence (iffy one), then why wouldn't you bring in a guy who might be a little overpaid but will help you at your biggest need? Are they Jerry's accountants?

I want the team to improve, and as long as it doesn't jeopardize signing our homegrown talent, I'm all for bringing in every guy that can play.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

If any of those guys are can get you more than six sorry sacks, sign them. ( if the deal is reasonable or slightly higher than what the players worth)

• If any of those guys on the list can get you 10-12 sacks, then let's do it. Sign them up fast
• Let's add a 10-12 sack guy and a 9-10 sack guy and do double damage. Let's spend about 20 million on those two players please
• You can get rid of any of these guys as necessary to make room: Ryan David, Jack Crawford, mayowa, Gregory, Kyle Wilbur.
• Draft some DEs

You're using wrong criteria... Not that wanting a guy to have 10-12 sacks is the wrong thing.

The challenge is this defense isn't going to give guys 900 snaps in order to accumulate that number of sacks.

Collins led the defensive line in snaps at 656.

What the Cowboys are looking for is 5 or 6 guys getting between 5 & 8 sacks... Which is "Seattle-like".

Mayowa had 6 sacks in only 381 snaps, which is a very good ratio.

 

[unionjack8]

Addison had Kawaan short and star lotulelei inside him on passing downs. .. We have Cedric Thornton.........

 

[tm1119]

DeMarcus Lawrence and David Irving would be the primary LDEs.

Tyrone Crawford would play UT and Charles Tapper would be a reserve DE playing on both sides.



If you want actual depth on the defensive line, it means some good players will not dress every week.

The players will know this and it will mean competing harder trying to dress for games and get snaps.

I don't want to see undeserving players like Ryan Davis on the roster or a good tweener like Jack Crawford forced into a starting role at RDE because we don't have enough good players to run the scheme correctly.



It's difficult to go big in free agency at this position.

The studs rarely hit the open market and the cost to sign them when they do is extreme.

You don't seem upset that Dallas overspent on a marginal talent in Benson Mayowa (2 career sacks) last year.

Addison has averaged over 7 sacks the past three seasons, so has DeMarcus Ware.

And I'm talking about adding production to the players you mention, not getting rid of them.

I'm letting the free agents walk. Terrell McClain, Jack Crawford and Ryan Davis.



Dallas will use free agency, including its own players and new ones, to patch as many roster holes a s possible before the draft arrives.

We don't know exactly what they will do, but it will take place long before the draft arrives. The team can't plan their off-season around the idea they will just trade up for perceived help at DE. The Cowboys have to be prepared for anything.

Maybe a targeted edge rusher does slide within reach, or another position. Maybe there's an enormous run on pass rushers and trading up is impossible.

Address the concern in free agency and be better prepared to respond to however the draft unfolds.

Don't go to the draft absolutely having to come away with a DE you expect to help immediately.

That won't do.

Addison is going to get at least 3x the amount of guaranteed $ Mayowa did. Easily in this thin FA class.

And you're still completely miscalculating how many DT's will be on the roster. They aren't going with Collins, Thornton and a few hybrids only. I promise you there will be a 3rd DT on the roster. Hell, we carried Ash as an inactive behind Thornton and McClain and you think they are suddenly going with only Thornton and Collins? Maybe that's what you'd like to see, but it's not reality. Your #'s just don't add up unless someone goes on IR.

A guy like Ware who only needs to get 15-20 snaps a game I will give you as a possibility.

And I was 1/2 joking about trading up in the draft. But even so, I don't think it will be hard to spend a 1st or 2nd round pick on a DE and get the same impact as this group of free agents.