Free Agent Pass Rushers

[RomoFor6]

would throw 5/6 million a year at Ingram and see if he accepts

 

[Sydla]

Late bloomer or career year in his last shot at getting a decent contract? Not going to pretend to know because I'm not sure I've ever actually seen the guy play (much like everyone campaigning for him), but it's definitely a legit question. The scouting department would have to do their homework on him

6, 6.5 and then 9.5 sacks in his last 3 years. So he clearly can get to the QB. So it's not like he was at 2 sacks then went to almost 10 in a contract year.

 

[Sydla]

I'd actually resign Carr and Claiborne, then take a CB in Round 2 since there's a good chance it will be BPA anyway. I think you can get both of them cheap, and Mo will probably agree to another 1 yr deal. Carr/Claiborne/Scandrick/Brown/Draft pick, when Mo gets injured Brown/Draft pick will battle it out for that position. Gives us a little breathing room to transition, especially if we get a productive pass rusher like Addison. I mean, you can get Carr and Mo for probably under 7 mill combined, especially if Carr will lower his salary for a larger signing bonus (if he plays along, like if we just decide to let him go next year with no guaranteed). Carr isn't the most talented guy, but he's a gamer and a pro and active in the community. He's worth keeping around to knock around the young bucks until we actually have a replacement. I mean why not

I do think it's funny when people say stuff like, "i'd rather save the money" etc.

My question is, why? If it literally won't stop you from signing any of your young guys like Martin, Collins, Lawrence (iffy one), then why wouldn't you bring in a guy who might be a little overpaid but will help you at your biggest need? Are they Jerry's accountants?

I want the team to improve, and as long as it doesn't jeopardize signing our homegrown talent, I'm all for bringing in every guy that can play.

Forget saving the money. I don't want basically the same secondary back next year. Time to change it up.

One of Claiborne or Carr, please. Not both.

 

[Sydla]

Addison played 433 snaps. On 294 pass rushing snaps he had 9.5 sacks, 5 hits, and 51 total qb pressures. Had his best season in run defense. I don't really care about PFF grading but 2nd in pass rushing productivity last year for 4-3 DE. Numbers are pretty good though.

It's not abnormal for a guy to hit a groove a little later in his career, it'll actually keep his price down. Will he get overpaid? Yeah, probably. But it's going to be more like Ayers than Vernon.

But he's exactly the type of guy that we can use in this "rotation" in our scheme. He's a good player.

It all comes down to price.

Unfortunately, with a weak DE class, he might get overpaid.

 

[Sydla]

Give me DT in FA like Logan/Poe
Draft Harris at 28

When people say sign Logan, are they expecting a pocket collapsing, pass rushing DT? Because that's not Logan. And note, he had Cox playing next to him who ate up a lot of the double teams. And Logan still was just basically a solid run stuffing DT.

 

[Sydla]

And that's still little to no snaps for Tapper, 1 of Crawford/Irving, and the high rookie draft pick...

But we'll just agree to disagree here since we're just going in circles. I want to actually build the D line. You want to keep throwing bodies at it hoping something sticks in my opinion. I'd much rather see Irving, a 1st/2nd round pick, and Tapper get as many snaps as possible to develop and grow then see a an overpaid marginal vet FA demand starter snaps every week.

LOL. Are you going with the "progress stopper" angle here?

It's like people never learned a lesson from last offseason.

 

[Bluefin]

And that's still little to no snaps for Tapper, 1 of Crawford/Irving, and the high rookie draft pick..

The way I look at the DL, I want good players knowing they have to fight to get snaps and practicing their rear ends off.

Barring injuries, which will obviously come into play and make certain decisions each week, Charles Tapper and the rookie DE would be competing to get a jersey and dress for each game.

I view it as a positive, the other DEs are competing for their snaps, too.

But we'll just agree to disagree here since we're just going in circles.

Which is fine, we're just sharing our thoughts here.

I want to actually build the D line.

So do I.

You want to keep throwing bodies at it hoping something sticks in my opinion.

I want options.

It probably won't happen, but I'd love to go 10 deep on the DL. If that happens, at least two of them are sitting each week.

I'd much rather see Irving, a 1st/2nd round pick, and Tapper get as many snaps as possible to develop and grow then see a an overpaid marginal vet FA demand starter snaps every week.

If there isn't a known player acquired at DE, we'd be giving the snaps to completely unproven players in Charles Tapper and the rookie draft pick who haven't played a snap at this level of football.

Most rookie pass rushers don't hit the ground running in the NFL. It can happen, but it shouldn't be expected.

I just want to do something to cover the position before the draft.

If Tapper and/or the rookie DE consistently show up in practice, they will get playing time next season.

David Irving had the fourth highest snap count on the DL last season at 46.3%, he was higher than Terrell McClain (44.6%), Benson Mayowa (36.2%), DeMarcus Lawrence (31.1%) and Cedric Thornton (26.3%).

Rookie Maliek Collins (62.1%) led the way, followed by Tyrone Crawford (59.3%) and Jack Crawford (50%).

Jack is a good depth player, but he should not ever be playing half the snaps.

Jack, McClain and Ryan Davis (14.7%) are free agents, so there are plenty of snaps up for grabs.

 

[visionary]

When people say sign Logan, are they expecting a pocket collapsing, pass rushing DT? Because that's not Logan. And note, he had Cox playing next to him who ate up a lot of the double teams. And Logan still was just basically a solid run stuffing DT.

I think that Logan, Collins and Crawford can make a really nice rotation inside stop the run and press the pocket

 

[ccb04]

In the realm of targets that could somewhat be a possibility...Mario Addison would be my top preference.

He had 6.5 sacks in 2014, and posted 6 sacks & 27 QB pressures in 2015. In 2016, he had 9.5 sacks & 51 pressures (including a sack for a safety & 11 pressures against the Chargers after returning from injury).

Have seen it reported that Addison may be a top priority for the Panthers, and he'd of course draw solid interest if he hits the market. Reasons the Cowboys may not pursue him would be age (almost 30 y/o), his run defense has hampered him in the past, and he'll rightfully be seeking his one bigger pay day, which likely means he gets somewhat overcompensated...particularly in a thinner market. Wouldn't at all be surprised to see him stay in Carolina, given Johnson is a free agent & was a dud in 2016 & Ealy is inconsistent at best. But they have to resign Short as well.

Spotrac estimates Addison's market value at: 4 years...$28,658,737...avg. annual salary of $7,164,684

Reasons why the Cowboys (among others), could pursue him if he hits the market:

“He’s pretty tough,” Washington coach Jay Gruden said of Addison. “He can hit you a lot of different ways. ... He’s got some power to him. He can beat you off the edge. He’s got a great versatility in his rush. He’s not a one-trick pony.”

Said Panthers defensive coordinator Sean McDermott of Addison: “He gives us that fastball off the edge, that quick twitch, and I love his attitude. Tough. He’ll do anything. No job is too small, no job is too big. ... He really embodies what we’re all about in his DNA.”

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sp...tt-fowler/article121606562.html#storylink=cpy

 

[haleyrules]

The way I look at the DL, I want good players knowing they have to fight to get snaps and practicing their rear ends off.

Barring injuries, which will obviously come into play and make certain decisions each week, Charles Tapper and the rookie DE would be competing to get a jersey and dress for each game.

I view it as a positive, the other DEs are competing for their snaps, too.



Which is fine, we're just sharing our thoughts here.



So do I.



I want options.

It probably won't happen, but I'd love to go 10 deep on the DL. If that happens, at least two of them are sitting each week.



If there isn't a known player acquired at DE, we'd be giving the snaps to completely unproven players in Charles Tapper and the rookie draft pick who haven't played a snap at this level of football.

Most rookie pass rushers don't hit the ground running in the NFL. It can happen, but it shouldn't be expected.

I just want to do something to cover the position before the draft.

If Tapper and/or the rookie DE consistently show up in practice, they will get playing time next season.

David Irving had the fourth highest snap count on the DL last season at 46.3%, he was higher than Terrell McClain (44.6%), Benson Mayowa (36.2%), DeMarcus Lawrence (31.1%) and Cedric Thornton (26.3%).

Rookie Maliek Collins (62.1%) led the way, followed by Tyrone Crawford (59.3%) and Jack Crawford (50%).

Jack is a good depth player, but he should not ever be playing half the snaps.

Jack, McClain and Ryan Davis (14.7%) are free agents, so there are plenty of snaps up for grabs.

Good well thought out post.

 

[haleyrules]

Lorenzo Alexander - Age 33, only 9 total sacks in all previous years. 6-1, 245.
Nick Perry - Solid player, good size 6-3, 265.
Erik Walden - Size ?, 6-2, 250
Chandler Jones - Probably franchised.
Mario Addison - Age 29. Pass Rush specialist. Only 4 career starts. 6-3, 260.
Calais Campbell - A 3-4 DE in AZ.
Melvin Ingram - Size ?, 6-2, 247.
Julius Peppers - Old.
Jason Pierre-Paul - NY would do everything possible to prevent him from going to the Cowboys.
Andre Branch - Dissappointing career, but maybe a late bloomer.
Jabaal Sheard - Only 8 starts in 2016. Averaged 5 starts in past 3 years.
Chris Baker - A 3-4 DE, 6-2, 320.
Devin Taylor - SDE type. 6-7, 275.
Robert Mathis - Old.
James Harrison - Old.
Charles Johnson - Probably SDE, 6-2, 275.
Chris Long - Age 31. 6-3, 270.
William Gholston - SDE type. 6-6, 281.
John Simon - A 3-4 OLB, 6-1, 260.
DeMarcus Ware - Old.

Damontre Moore - Flashed some ability in 2rd year, but character issues derailed him in NY.
Datone Jones - Played both OLB and DE in 3-4 defense, but primarily DE. 6-4, 285.
Courtney Upshaw - Only 6 career sacks. 62, 272.
Barkevious Mingo - College pass rusher but played 4-3 OLB with Patriots. 6-4, 240.

Not very promising. Nice work on your part. Thanks. Draft...Draft and Draft some more.

 

[Sydla]

I think that Logan, Collins and Crawford can make a really nice rotation inside stop the run and press the pocket

Then prepared to be disappointed if you think Logan will press the pocket.

 

[jobberone]

Yes on Nick Perry.

If Addison is a pass rush specialist, then Mayowa would have to be the starter. He's not the ideal guy to be a run down type player.

I guess they could keep DLaw as the starter at RDE with Addison as the pass rush specialist DLaw could move to LDE on some snaps when Addison is in the game. That would leave Mayowa without a spot.

I'm not sure that Sheard is much of an upgrade.

Datone Jones and Devin Taylor would be another LDEs, but they need a RDE.

Melvin Ingram might be possible but his size is borderline.

Ingram is 6-1.5 and 265+. That's from the combine which should be accurate. Of course his weight could have changed but he looks bigger now to me but that is terribly unscientific. However, his size is not a problem on the weak side where he'd probably be the starter over Mayowa. The question is how much would he cost as he's been fairly productive the last couple of years he's played.

I don't know as much about the other players we might be interested in. No interest in Peppers and only a little in Ware.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Then prepared to be disappointed if you think Logan will press the pocket.

Yep, I don't see Logan as being some sort of pocket-pushing force.

 

[Sydla]

Yep, I don't see Logan as being some sort of pocket-pushing force.

If you are looking for a run plugger 1-tech, he's a fine choice. But if you are looking to spend FA money on a DT to pressure the QB, Logan isn't that.

He played alongside Cox who was often doubled and rarely collapsed the pocket.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

If you are looking for a run plugger 1-tech, he's a fine choice. But if you are looking to spend FA money on a DT to pressure the QB, Logan isn't that.

He played alongside Cox who was often doubled and rarely collapsed the pocket.

I'm just surprised folks seem to be treating DT as being a big a need as DE... And I just don't see it. I think this is the finest set of DT's they've had in several years.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

• Let's add a 10-12 sack guy and a 9-10 sack guy and do double damage. Let's spend about 20 million on those two players please.

What aisle at Wal-mart are those guys stocked?

Making a food run and don't want to forget to pick up the 19-22 sacks laying around.

 

[LocimusPrime]

You're using wrong criteria... Not that wanting a guy to have 10-12 sacks is the wrong thing.

The challenge is this defense isn't going to give guys 900 snaps in order to accumulate that number of sacks.

Collins led the defensive line in snaps at 656.

What the Cowboys are looking for is 5 or 6 guys getting between 5 & 8 sacks... Which is "Seattle-like".

Mayowa had 6 sacks in only 381 snaps, which is a very good ratio.

Ok let me put this way....lets get our team total sacks up from 36 to about 42

I think if we had a stud they would give him more than 656 snaps. Jared crick and Von Miller got over 900 snaps each in Denver because they are good/great players. Oliver Vernon got 1040 snaps with the Giants and JPP had 792 while missing 4 games. Chandler jones got a 1000 snaps and Calais got 830 ect.....

I guess the better the players you have, the more snaps you want them to play. If they Cowboys are looking for 5 sack guys, they got a ton of those. I don't think sending waves of 5 sacks guys is the answer.

Mayowa, tank, Irving, t Crawford are all 5 sacks guys, if that's the case we should be good. But we aren't IMO

 

[LocimusPrime]

What aisle at Wal-mart are those guys stocked?

Making a food run and don't want to forget to pick up the 19-22 sacks laying around.

You gotta goto Whole Foods for those guys, you won't find them at Walmart

 

[tm1119]

The way I look at the DL, I want good players knowing they have to fight to get snaps and practicing their rear ends off.

Barring injuries, which will obviously come into play and make certain decisions each week, Charles Tapper and the rookie DE would be competing to get a jersey and dress for each game.

I view it as a positive, the other DEs are competing for their snaps, too.



Which is fine, we're just sharing our thoughts here.



So do I.



I want options.

It probably won't happen, but I'd love to go 10 deep on the DL. If that happens, at least two of them are sitting each week.



If there isn't a known player acquired at DE, we'd be giving the snaps to completely unproven players in Charles Tapper and the rookie draft pick who haven't played a snap at this level of football.

Most rookie pass rushers don't hit the ground running in the NFL. It can happen, but it shouldn't be expected.

I just want to do something to cover the position before the draft.

If Tapper and/or the rookie DE consistently show up in practice, they will get playing time next season.

David Irving had the fourth highest snap count on the DL last season at 46.3%, he was higher than Terrell McClain (44.6%), Benson Mayowa (36.2%), DeMarcus Lawrence (31.1%) and Cedric Thornton (26.3%).

Rookie Maliek Collins (62.1%) led the way, followed by Tyrone Crawford (59.3%) and Jack Crawford (50%).

Jack is a good depth player, but he should not ever be playing half the snaps.

Jack, McClain and Ryan Davis (14.7%) are free agents, so there are plenty of snaps up for grabs.

How much have you actually seen Addison play? Honest question...I know I sure haven't seen him play. How confident are you that 5 or 6 of those sacks didn't come because Star/Short flushed the QB towards him without him ever beating his man?

I think that's the main issue here. You're way more confident in the fact that Addison would be a difference maker than I am. If we were discussing JPP it wouldn't even be a question, but Addison/Sheard type? Ehh yeah I'd have to get my hands on some all 22 tape to be convinced he's the guy that's worth playing over a high draft pick.

Like I said, a guy like Ware who won't get 10+ mil guaranteed and doesn't need to play 50-60% of the snaps makes a lot more sense.