Free Agents - Fix 2002 draft

[aikemirv]

Everyone complains about our poor draft in 2002 and the irony of it all is that although it really hurt us for those 4 years we have an opportunity to correct a lot of those mistakes.

Suppose we had drafted Bently instead of Gurode - we would have to resign him this year anyway - to a lucrative deal no less - so why not go out and sign him now?

Suppose we had drafted Ayodele instead of Derek Ross - we would want to keep him - right - so why not fix that error too?

How about the fact that we could have had Chris Hope instead of Antonio Bryant. We would want to resign him too.

Guess what else - we could have drafted Andra Davis instead of Jamar MArtin - too late to get him but we have an opportunity to fix most of the 2002 draft with high quality players.

If we had drafted well we would be paying top dollar to resign them, so what is the difference?

Go get em' Jerry!!!

 

[AbeBeta]

I propose we all get off Ayodele's jock until someone can show that he fits in our D. He's not an effective pass rusher, he's poor in coverage, he's smallish for a 3-4 OLB, and he lost playing time last year in Jack.

Just why are people so hot on him again? Because he comes from Dallas? Because some pundit said that he'd be a good fit?

 

[neosapien23]

I propose we all get off Ayodele's jock until someone can show that he fits in our D. He's not an effective pass rusher, he's poor in coverage, he's smallish for a 3-4 OLB, and he lost playing time last year in Jack.

Just why are people so hot on him again? Because he comes from Dallas? Because some pundit said that he'd be a good fit?

Have you ever watched this dude even play or are you just spewing statistics. He is very good against the run and he can rush the passer. He is extremely out of place in the 4-3. He will excel in the 3-4. Besides who would you rather have at the OLB position. We have alot of holes and we need to sign mid grade free agents. Adoyele is nothing special, but he doesn't suck either.

 

[aikemirv]

I am not going to pretend that I get to watch every player in the NFL or every game and know exactly how a player fits into our scheme. Thats what our coaches and scouts are for, and I am not going to pretend that I know more than they do like some on this board either, but this comment from ESPN Scouts makes me want our team to take a long hard look at him - if they feel he fits , pay him and get him in here.

Ayodele has played in Jacksonville's 4-3 but, unlike Leber, would excel in a 3-4 scheme. He is an explosive player who can rush the passer. He makes occasional mental mistakes, but he is very athletic and can get to the ball quickly.

 

[Alexander]

Just why are people so hot on him again? Because he comes from Dallas? Because some pundit said that he'd be a good fit?

I suspect you will not get a straight answer.

 

[Alexander]

Ayodele has played in Jacksonville's 4-3 but, unlike Leber, would excel in a 3-4 scheme. He is an explosive player who can rush the passer. He makes occasional mental mistakes, but he is very athletic and can get to the ball quickly.

Leber is also an accomplished pass rusher in his own right. I don't see the big difference between these two players. Wait, Leber isn't from Dallas, is he?

 

[Clove]

I'd rather go with Carpenter or someone else in the draft.

 

[Alexander]

I'd rather go with Carpenter or someone else in the draft.

As would I, but there is something to be said for a veteran presence outside at that spot. Ware is still learning and adding another rookie might not be the thing we would want to do.

 

[aikemirv]

Leber is also an accomplished pass rusher in his own right. I don't see the big difference between these two players. Wait, Leber isn't from Dallas, is he?

So is the ESPN scout guy from Dallas and why would he care which one he touts - does he have an agenda to tout Ayoldele over Leber. I doubt it. I think Leber played very well last year if memory serves me - against us and I saw him play another game early last year and they stated that it was going to me hard for Merriman to get him off the field. He would be an upgrade over what we have too so I have no preference really.

 

[neosapien23]

I'd rather go with Carpenter or someone else in the draft.

That would be fine if OLB was our biggest weakness. Guard and Tackle are much bigger concerns for this team heading into the offseason.

 

[neosapien23]

Leber is also an accomplished pass rusher in his own right. I don't see the big difference between these two players. Wait, Leber isn't from Dallas, is he?

How old is Leber and how much does he weigh? Adoele is only 26.

 

[Clove]

That would be fine if OLB was our biggest weakness. Guard and Tackle are much bigger concerns for this team heading into the offseason.

Their's a big old boy in Ravens country I would jump on in a NY second for Nose Tackle.

 

[Alexander]

How old is Leber and how much does he weigh? Adoele is only 26.

He's a year older and weighs in the 245 pound range.

 

[Clove]

I'd rather have a veteren ILB and get a rookie OLB.

 

[Alexander]

I'd rather have a veteren ILB and get a rookie OLB.

Which veteran ILB?

Please do not say Ray Lewis.

 

[Clove]

Which veteran ILB?

Please do not say Ray Lewis.

My point exactly, that's why I stick with Burnett, and get Carpenter or one of the Freak tweeners, grab that big monster in Baltimore to play NT, and get on with it.

 

[Rush 2112]

I propose we all get off Ayodele's jock until someone can show that he fits in our D. He's not an effective pass rusher, he's poor in coverage, he's smallish for a 3-4 OLB, and he lost playing time last year in Jack.

Just why are people so hot on him again? Because he comes from Dallas? Because some pundit said that he'd be a good fit?

Because he's 6-2/245-250 and a college DE from Purdue who is 2nd on all time sack list there behind Roosevelt Colvin with 29.

 

[Alexander]

Because he's 6-2/245-250 and a college DE from Purdue who is 2nd on all time sack list there behind Roosevelt Colvin with 29.

Leber did very well at Kansas State and is in the same range. Why not him?

Ayodele's legend grows.

 

[AbeBeta]

Have you ever watched this dude even play or are you just spewing statistics. He is very good against the run and he can rush the passer. He is extremely out of place in the 4-3. He will excel in the 3-4. Besides who would you rather have at the OLB position. We have alot of holes and we need to sign mid grade free agents. Adoyele is nothing special, but he doesn't suck either.

Neo you keep avoiding my point here - 4 years, 8.5 sacks. that doesn't scream "can rush the passer"

do we need another thread where I keep citing those #s and you keep saying something else?

I'm not seeing a guy who is a pass rusher here. also, you never answered my point about him losing his starting position -- what was up with that?

I've got no problem with signing him -- I just don't think he fits at all.

 

[AbeBeta]

Because he's 6-2/245-250 and a college DE from Purdue who is 2nd on all time sack list there behind Roosevelt Colvin with 29.

Colvin produced sacks in the NFL. In his first four years he got 26 of them. That's more than 3 times what Oyedele has.

That says to me that Oye is not a quality NFL pass rusher.