Free and the coaches film

[MichaelWinicki]

Smith and Free had essentially the same number of penalties (13 v 15), hits (both 4) and hurries (37 v 41) for the year with both having roughly 1000 snaps. The only statistical difference was Smith having 3 sacks and Free 6 which when adjusted is .31% v .56%.

And you honestly think those numbers are different enough to deride one and not the other? If you guys want to hang one player with those numbers and give another a free (pun intended) ride then go ahead.

Free also outplayed Smith the last 1/3 having 1 hit and 1 hurry vs 1 hit and 9 hurries. He also outplayed Parnell over that time. Parnell had 1 sack, 1 hit and 2 hurries. That's if you're going to use PFF as your criteria. Although I'd say they all played well over that period rather than dragging any of them down. I'm not all that impressed with positive and negative numbers from PFF when it's hard enough to just assign sacks, hits and hurries. Trying to put a number on how well someone run blocks (esp on a team that was almost dead arse last in the league) is not a number that interests me that much. But if you want to hang your hat on their game ratings and ignore the major stats being roughly the same go ahead.

I don't have any great love for any of our OL. Any team that can't run the ball needs work. I'm just not going to run with the crowd when the evidence points elsewhere.

BTW, look at Livings and Cooks numbers and game graphs. I thought they sucked, too. But maybe I misjudged them. They still can't run block well either though so...

It was run blocking that separated the Smith and Free. Smith was a positive 9.something and Free was even stephen.

Livings did well in the running game. Passing game... not so much.

I look at Cook's ratings and I shake my head a little because he didn't seem to be that good.

Bern really was a car wreck at guard for most of the season, especially vs the pass.

The funny thing (not funny "ha-ha") is that both Livings and Bern were worse vs the pass than they were the run.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

 

[jobberone]

It was run blocking that separated the Smith and Free. Smith was a positive 9.something and Free was even stephen.

Livings did well in the running game. Passing game... not so much.

I look at Cook's ratings and I shake my head a little because he didn't seem to be that good.

Bern really was a car wreck at guard for most of the season, especially vs the pass.

The funny thing (not funny "ha-ha") is that both Livings and Bern were worse vs the pass than they were the run.

I am totally uninterested in their rating numbers assigned for run blocking. I do pay attention to the stats for point of attack in runs and with runs to the right and left. Runs to the left side were higher than the right side but well below league avg. Runs to the right over Free were better than over Bernie at the point of attack.

But the morale of that story is the left side even with a 'better' guard there than on the right was well below league average. I'm not going to hold Free accountable for Bernie or try to make the argument that Smith blocked better than Free when neither one or for that matter the entire team blocked well in the run. That's like saying this turd didn't stink as much as that one so this turd is better.

I'm blowing off the run blocking assigned ratings on the 31st team in the league for the run and going by the harder stats for hits, penalties, sacks and hurries. Which are uncomfortably too similar for our glorious starting tackles on America's Team whether run or pass blocking.

As for Cook, I was blown away by his stats. Here was another guy who 'sucked' and I had already dismissed him from the team. I have no idea how well he really did compared to his stats as I only watched him some in the last game after looking at his stats before viewing it. But don't get too excited by him as although he did well in that one game in the passing game no one on the team could drive block. We are however doing better with our ZBS. Perhaps that and the addition of Frederick and maybe Costa back in the mix will help the run blocking.

 

[NeonDeion21]

I am totally uninterested in their rating numbers assigned for run blocking. I do pay attention to the stats for point of attack in runs and with runs to the right and left. Runs to the left side were higher than the right side but well below league avg. Runs to the right over Free were better than over Bernie at the point of attack.

But the morale of that story is the left side even with a 'better' guard there than on the right was well below league average. I'm not going to hold Free accountable for Bernie or try to make the argument that Smith blocked better than Free when neither one or for that matter the entire team blocked well in the run. That's like saying this turd didn't stink as much as that one so this turd is better.

I'm blowing off the run blocking assigned ratings on the 31st team in the league for the run and going by the harder stats for hits, penalties, sacks and hurries. Which are uncomfortably too similar for our glorious starting tackles on America's Team whether run or pass blocking.

As for Cook, I was blown away by his stats. Here was another guy who 'sucked' and I had already dismissed him from the team. I have no idea how well he really did compared to his stats as I only watched him some in the last game after looking at his stats before viewing it. But don't get too excited by him as although he did well in that one game in the passing game no one on the team could drive block. We are however doing better with our ZBS. Perhaps that and the addition of Frederick and maybe Costa back in the mix will help the run blocking.

Cook is the ideal backup interior lineman and that isn't a knock on Cook at all. He can play all 3 interior spots well enough to get you through a few weeks. I'm not as down on him as others, but there is a big value to having backup lineman you trust to get you through a game. He would be for sure one of the 7 lineman I would have active on game days.

 

[theogt]

Pat McQuistan, Corey Proctor and super scrub-a-dub Rob Petitti all got multiple years with other teams when they were released here. "Most other teams" is just bias talking. The "reaches" teams have been doing on various OL runs in drafts in recent years tells me that the supply of OL in the NFL is wanting.

Callahan indeed said that Free played poorly. It wasn't hard to see. I don't remember it being characterized as "trying to bench him" though but rather "a wake-up call." Broaddus said he talked to coaches and the reason why he was rotated was because he balked at using the new technique in games. That corroborates that characterization.

He did wake up and by most accounts his play improved significantly

I was referring to Parnell in that instance.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I was referring to Parnell in that instance.

When did the team say Parnell played poorly? I know Spagnola has been saying it lately but who else?

 

[Eskimo]

Doug Free
6-6, 325 (current weight)
Arm Length: 34
Hand Size: 10
Bench: 18
Forty: 5.01

His bench press was probably a red flag.

Just looking at those numbers right now, 6-6 325 guy who runs a 5.01 is a pretty darn good athlete. Did anyone that size run a better 40 this year at OL?

When I look at NFL draftscout they list the following results:

6-6
324 pounds
5.19 40
4.53 short shuttle
7.38 3cone drill
30 inch vertical
9-3 broad jump
22 reps bench

Pro Day results were basically identical.

 

[jobberone]

Cook is the ideal backup interior lineman and that isn't a knock on Cook at all. He can play all 3 interior spots well enough to get you through a few weeks. I'm not as down on him as others, but there is a big value to having backup lineman you trust to get you through a game. He would be for sure one of the 7 lineman I would have active on game days.

I don't have strong feelings about any of the OL except I think Smith will be ok. I really like Parnell and I think Livings and Cook were wrongly judged if their PFF stats reflect reality. I'm not opposed at all to having Cook compete nor Livings. I don't trust Free because at best his play has been inconsistent and we have the luxury of looking to Parnell to play. I think anyone on this OL needs to prove himself esp in the run game. I think Calahan needs to bring his A game.

 

[theogt]

When did the team say Parnell played poorly? I know Spagnola has been saying it lately but who else?

Dude, re-read what I wrote. The "most other teams" comment was about Parnell.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Dude, re-read what I wrote. The "most other teams" comment was about Parnell.

My bad.

My point still stands. The scarcity of OL in the NFL makes me doubt your assertion. The super scrub a dubs I was talking about played for 3+ years after they left here.

Parnell at least has upside.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

 

[burmafrd]

My bad.

My point still stands. The scarcity of OL in the NFL makes me doubt your assertion. The super scrub a dubs I was talking about played for 3+ years after they left here.

Parnell at least has upside.

and just who were those super scrubs with and how much did they actually play?

As usual you are wrong

 

[TheCount]

Just looking at those numbers right now, 6-6 325 guy who runs a 5.01 is a pretty darn good athlete. Did anyone that size run a better 40 this year at OL?

When I look at NFL draftscout they list the following results:

6-6
324 pounds
5.19 40
4.53 short shuttle
7.38 3cone drill
30 inch vertical
9-3 broad jump
22 reps bench

Pro Day results were basically identical.

Yeah, not sure where those other numbers came from.

 

[xwalker]

Yeah, not sure where those other numbers came from.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/historical/410905

 

[xwalker]

Just looking at those numbers right now, 6-6 325 guy who runs a 5.01 is a pretty darn good athlete. Did anyone that size run a better 40 this year at OL?

When I look at NFL draftscout they list the following results:

6-6
324 pounds
5.19 40
4.53 short shuttle
7.38 3cone drill
30 inch vertical
9-3 broad jump
22 reps bench

Pro Day results were basically identical.

Free is very quick/athletic. His problems are all related to lack of upper body strength. His lack of ability to lock-out with his arms looks like someone with a shoulder injury; however, he appears to have the same problem with both arms.