jobberone;5052943 said:
I saw where MW said Free gave up 41 pressures but that's more than the adjusted rate as well as more than I subjectively have seen
Yeah, that's kinda my point.
Also, you keep saying I think Free is average and while I've stated he looked average in a few games, good in others and poor in some, I have yet to give my final assessment of Free.
Well, if you're final assessment is that he sucked last year, then you're on the right page.
But quickly perusing most of your grades, you never even say he had a bad day until, like, the Cleveland game.
When everyone knows he had many poor games long the way, including Tampa in which you say he was average ("C" grade) when he was very clearly terrible in that game. His pressure rate was what, like 15%? Come on.
And you're not the only one who has jumped to that conclusion as well as stating I'm biased, defending Free, giving him passes for poor play, yada.
Well it's hard not to come to that conclusion when you look at him versus Tampa and give that performance a "C." If you are looking at that performance and thinking "Oh, that's not too bad, that's average," then it's no surprise that you aren't seeing the 41 pressures assigned to him or that you are not assigning him some of the errors that were his.
Tampa was the worst game I remember seeing from him but he wasn't a ton better in a lot of other games.
And this is just taking into account passing. He was not a good run blocker either.
I've stated my subjective opinion as well as backed it up with stats from reputable sources like Pro-Football-reference, Football Outsiders etc.
I notice Winicki posted the grades from PFF and they were bad.
All you've done is point at some gifs that I've repeatedly told you aren't completely fair in assessing the player
And I've repeatedly told you they are fair in assessing the player. Your defense to why they aren't fair, as far as I've seen, is that you say they were only a handful of plays. Which is definitely excuse-making.
Yeah, and a handful of bad plays by a QB who throws 4 INTs lands that QB on the bench too.
Free making 6 bad plays in one game in pass protection (and there might be more, that's just the GIFs that were actually posted) is atrocious. It's not cherry picking, it's visual evidence that Free had a horrific afternoon.
And you're giving me nor anyone else any objective data to back that up.
You don't have any objective data to back up what you are saying. Your stats show he let up a ton more pressures, and then you excuse that by saying "Well I didn't see it when I watched him."
Well you must be missing something then.
I don't care about his actual numbers of sacks given up. Romo's ability to avoid them decreases those numbers artificially. It doesn't make Free's performance better.
So unless you want to POINT out some plays over the entire season and give me the counter times so I can find them to discuss them with you, some other stats that aren't outfliers that significantly differ from mine, or some other evidence that backs your POV up and detracts from mine then stop annoying me and worse boring the hell out of me with your posts.
I am not going to go back and watch every game and pick out the plays that Free screwed up on.
I am merely pointing out that he was bad, the grades reflect it, and if you aren't seeing that in your viewings, you are missing something.
What we have here in a lot of those vocal here and in the media is piling on and a perpetuation of a story line which is Free sucks and we must do something about it. And many have jumped on board. Having seen perpetuation of myth on many topics related to medicine I understand how hard it is to avoid that temptation and how difficult is can be to ferret it out yourself. Since the stats didn't match the observations I decided I'd have a look. To date things aren't nearly as bad as I thought and heard (and continue to hear) but things aren't peachy keen by any means.
Yeah, here's the admission. You went into this activity with the goal of finding a conclusion that disproved the media narrative. I think you overshot.
And as far as doing something about it, I've repeatedly said we should address OT this year.
If you had a 29 year old OT who was average, it wouldn't be a priority to address. Free is not average, he was horrible, and he needs to be replaced.
Part of it was Free certainly wasn't a beacon of stability
Yeah. Part of Free's benching was that he sucked. Agreed.
Every single OL on the team has sucked some this last year
No doubt. We had probably the worst OL in football this past year, and Free was a big reason for that, along with Bernadeau and the revolving door at center. If it was not the worst, it was one of the worst 3 or 4. Definitely the worst in run blocking. Maybe a little better in pass protection, statistically saved because of Romo's ability to evade pressure. And even with that ability, Free's numbered pressures were abysmal.
