Fuzzy Logic PS at LAR 8/16

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It's fun to hear, but even mini-Sean Lees don't aren't available on the street. He did look pretty good, though. We're going to have some interesting calls to make on the defensive cut downs.

I'm thrilled with how Nzeocha looked. If he can take that SAM position from Wilber, that's another decent upgrade for us. If Wilson shot himself in the foot, errr, eye, that's a shame because he has potential, but at least it's looking like we might have options at LB, at least.

with gatchkar and durant locks for the roster I can't imagine there are more than 1 spot left which means nzochea. Hard to think wilson will make the team but be inactive all year but that maybe the case. If morris shows he can be productive on special teams he make take the guys spot.

it has to be extremely frustrating for the staff because he is talented but they get put in a difficult spot here with him.
 

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Offense dealt with a blitzing Rams team and had mixed results. Was interesting to see both QB use the Wilson style read option even if the options selected to this point were vanilla.

The OL started out well and was assisted by short drops and quick decisions from Dak. As the game wore on the protection dwindled and Showers was running for his life.

Dak was money. His accuracy continues to impress me. So far he places the ball better than Romo does and that is saying something. His mechanics seem much more comfortable out of the shotgun. Every pass from under C was play action and/or rollouts; I want to see regular 3 and 5 step drops. That being said he would hit that back foot and the ball would be out. Helps that his first options were giving him easy reads. Still it was nice to see him throw to the middle of the field, place the ball well and execute when he can see pressure bearing down. Also of note was his ability to run the play fake. I was fooled twice and so was the defense and camera man. All in all a very auspicious beginning.

Showers is hard to evaluate his protection was so bad. Plays repeatedly broke down because of it. His improv is admirable and I cannot fault his decisions but I am still not sure what to think. Might make sense to put him in early so he can play with people that can give him a pocket. I think he had maybe a single decent one all night.

Nothing much to note from the starting OL but I don't think I won't ever get tired of watching Fred run combo blocks. Also I felt that Doug Free's punch was more jarring than I can ever recall. I used to say that he was punching like kittens with mittens and not so today.

Chaz Green was much maligned by Sham and Gruden but I don't think he played as poorly as it might seem. The first two penalties were total BS. On the first the DE tried to submarine him and he just fell on top of him. That is the first time I have ever seen that call. The clip simply wasn't as the shoulder got the front of the body. His issue was fatigue. His technique went out the window when he got tired. It was reminiscent of one Jeremi Parnell who ended up quite nicely. What I saw early was a guy with quick feet and decent hands that could stone rushers. He got tired stood up and couldn't move. Conditioning is a matter of will.

The OL after that were various shades of awful until the Rams put in their third string and it abated somewhat. What really struck me was how poorly Leary played. He has always struggled with quick lateral moves but he whiffed several times. Everyone else seemed like 50/50 guys when they need to succeed 95% or better.

Swaim dropped two passes not looking the ball all the way in but I am not too worried about that. What pleased me was his blocking in space. That is something that all of our TE even Witten have been inconsistent or worse with. His picking up and rerouting a hard charging Ram is what sprung open Lucky to make his moves. He was cracking back in line legally, sealing and peeling and generally able to to get targets out on the second level and the perimeter. He lacks the ideal leg drive but he plays with leverage and has the strength to hold on. He should get stronger lower body over time. His ability to play H and Y will allow formations with Witten to be more dynamic and easier to disguise. Hanna and Escobar are more 1 dimensional.

Dez didn't seem to have issues holding onto the ball. I want to see the motioning into bunch formations and the moving around I hear they have been practicing but I don't expect to see that until the real games begin.

Was nice to see Beasley getting the ball further downfield. Still has his quickness.

TWill had a nice sluggo and deep in but until I see him winning on fades, comebacks, and outs consistently I am still going to want more.

Lucky with a drop but did catch a standard route in the second half. The speed and vision was apparent on the jet and the return. I think you can put the idea of Jackson winning return duties on the back burner.

Smith kept running short of the sticks on third down and dropping the ball. Disappointing debut but there is time left.

Mayle did a nice job helping Showers out when he got into trouble.

Morris' vision is as advertised and he is best described as slippery but he plays with good power as well. The screen success was encouraging as Murray and DMC were awful at the play fake.

Jackson looked confident and decisive running the ball and he wasn't running to darkness which after watching his college tape I was concerned about. His work on special teams was not special. He also looks indecisive in pass protection.

In the FB battle, Rod catches passes while Keith shows up covering kicks. Neither one shows up blocking. Rod Smith's pass protection is particularly troubling.

Defense faked blitzes much more often than they ran them. The Rams had the ball out quickly on short drops. The Rams OL does a good job keeping their head on a swivel and helping each other out. The OG were very disciplined in helping out on inside moves and flubbed only one stunt by my count. The Rams also ran a fair amount of crossing routes to rub man receivers to a fair bit of success. Because most of the throws were short it put tackling on display and there will be coarse words in meeting rooms and on the practice field in Oxnard this week.

Our DL struggled with their screws, as Marinelli likes to call reads, and the LB often looked lost running in their fills. The two seem to feed into each other. Our DL shift a lot and are supposed to penetrate. The LB has to read the dynamic in front of them changing at full speed. Throw in stunts, twists, blitzes, and OL that shift and it is no easy task. If the DL are uncertain it has a cascading effect. It wasn't pretty and got uglier as the game went on.

The drops and reactions in zone coverage were actually quite good. That looked competent; it was the gap discipline and tackling that was atrocious.

Russell had a rough game. Playing RDE, Robinson owned him and the the second string came in and there he was getting turned inside and surrendering the edge, a cardinal sin on the weakside. It's only year 2 but I didn't see much improvement over what I saw last year maybe even regression. There was a time or two he mounted a decent rush but the ball was consistently out quickly. Fisher attacked him relentlessly.

Crawford was inconsistent. He mounted several nice rushes isolated on guards but OTOH he was hooked from behind and taken for a ride more than once. Need better backside awareness playing inside on run downs.

Thornton looked indecisive and would compound matter by trying to change his gap. Ended up getting shoved back and trapping LB because of it. Still not as weak as Hayden despite the uncertainty.

Irvin is tough to keep mitts on and he was doing a good job dictating the OT. He keeps OL off him with those long arms and plays with power. Even with those quick throws he was almost getting home and while Fisher was mostly content to attack the other way, he was able set the edge and shed to make the tackle when he needed to. He keeps this up and he will win the starting LDE outright.

Wood lacks the strength to play 1T. I don't know what the point is.

Coe was getting pushed around.

Jenkins was beating up on the 3s. Would like to see an improvement in competition.

Okoye and McAdoo didn't even make my radar. Overall the Rams seemed to want it more in the second half which was disapointing.

Wilber is a great ST player who has a role but he is inconsistent at best in base defense. Missed tackles at the point of attack make me unhappy.

Hitchens and Nzeocha were up and down early. They looked competent in zone but it was keystone cops confusion filling against the run. They ran into each other and got trapped several times.

Hitchens was pulled early but Nzeocha stayed in and in the second half the LB kept showing up making plays.

Nzeocha struggled taking on blocks at Wyoming but he had no issues this game. I think he ends up starting at SAM. He was all over the place beating or going around blocks and making tackles against both the run and pass. The pick was nice but the tip was right to him. Needs to secure the ball better. I think what was most impressive to me was on KO was him take on a block that was trying to turn him inside to double team him and create a lane down the sideline. He was having none of it and kept the edge, turned the run back inside, and got in on the tackle. Speed and power he has in spades.

Muamba made a nice play that led to the Nzeocha interception but the twist resulted in a free lane because of the DL work. Not sure who that was. He kept on making plays though. Consistent tackling stood out this game. He would make a play and the TV producer would show him but Gruden kept on talking about someone else. Was odd to watch.

Morris also registered. He plays with an edge and is a consistent tackler. Also was one of the few people worth a flip covering kicks.

Claiborne wasn't tested much.

Carr was and the WR got away with a hold multiple times . Did a good job to fight through that. Seems stronger in the upper body.

Brown tackled alright but would like to see tighter coverage.

Olatoye does a good job playing through contact and making a play on the ball. His interception was an exceptional win off the jam. Consistently tight coverage and plays with ball skills.

Church looked good beating a play to the perimeter. Remains a good tackler. Was not challenged in space. If Nzeocha is SAM then it will be easier to keep it that way.

Jones did nothing of note.

Wilcox started off well taking good angles and tackling. He whiffed in space and seemed to fall apart a bit missing several tackles. Made a nice play in coverage downfield but his NFL clock is ticking.

McKinnon was around the ball a lot in the second half.

KO blocking looked good. Wilber, Nzeocha, Swaim, and Hitchens all had nice blocks. PR couldn't block the gunners and I didn't see who that was. Coverage was bad. Nzeocha, Church, Moore, and KSmith all showed up but there were far too many lanes given up. Bisaccia cannot be pleased.

Agreed with pretty much everything, except Wilcox. I was drinking at the time, but on that first Rams TD drive, it looked like he came downhill and paid absolutely no attention to taking away any kind of cutback lane to the outside when it was the only route for the back to take. He was continuously targeted for first downs when the Rams it, that tackle in isolation against the rookie TE was pretty laughable. That pass breakup downfield, it looked like he wasn't scanning the field, shaded to one side to help coverage, then let a rookie get behind him and luckily the ball was underthrown and he was able to get his body on it. His issue has really been diagnosing angles and lapses in coverage. It's just the first preseason game, but at this point, he's treading a fine line between backup and roster cut. I think you can probably find a guy at cuts that'd be a better backup and probably contribute in ST. Just my opinion.

So difficult to judge Showers. I liked his arm, other then that, he got no help.

I only watched the third quarter but Olatoye looked like a keeper. If he keeps it up he's probably going to keep his spot on the depth chart over Brown. He was so instinctive on those little comeback routes. Even when they'd be playing off coverage on one side of the field, they'd have Deji in press man. He had one pick and probably could have had another when he read the route, jumped it, and had the ball hit him in the hands. He's a big corner and it's looking like the light is starting to come on. Excited to see more of that guy. I'd actually like to see him running press with the 1's on the right side for a bit.
 

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"So far he places the ball better than Romo"

I stopped reading right there. Hyperbole and "made up" crap is the norm in today's society though, so no biggie.

Romo struggles to put touch on short passes; Dak doesn't. I put in the initial adverbial phrase to indicate that it was early and a small sample size. It wasn't hyperbole.
 

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Dak was money. His accuracy continues to impress me. So far he places the ball better than Romo does and that is saying something. His mechanics seem much more comfortable out of the shotgun

Most fresh out of college QBs will. Very few traditional offenses left there. BTW this looks like it must have taken at least an hour to write.

I write it as I watch and rewatch so yeah but I am multitasking.
 

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Agreed with pretty much everything, except Wilcox. I was drinking at the time, but on that first Rams TD drive, it looked like he came downhill and paid absolutely no attention to taking away any kind of cutback lane to the outside when it was the only route for the back to take. He was continuously targeted for first downs when the Rams it, that tackle in isolation against the rookie TE was pretty laughable. That pass breakup downfield, it looked like he wasn't scanning the field, shaded to one side to help coverage, then let a rookie get behind him and luckily the ball was underthrown and he was able to get his body on it. His issue has really been diagnosing angles and lapses in coverage. It's just the first preseason game, but at this point, he's treading a fine line between backup and roster cut. I think you can probably find a guy at cuts that'd be a better backup and probably contribute in ST. Just my opinion.

So difficult to judge Showers. I liked his arm, other then that, he got no help.

I only watched the third quarter but Olatoye looked like a keeper. If he keeps it up he's probably going to keep his spot on the depth chart over Brown. He was so instinctive on those little comeback routes. Even when they'd be playing off coverage on one side of the field, they'd have Deji in press man. He had one pick and probably could have had another when he read the route, jumped it, and had the ball hit him in the hands. He's a big corner and it's looking like the light is starting to come on. Excited to see more of that guy. I'd actually like to see him running press with the 1's on the right side for a bit.

On the first drive, he was in pursuit and he had help. That affects what you do. He was moving from the opposite side of the field running perpendicular to the ball carrier. He used to whiff on that every time. His teammates were missing tackles and he wasn't.

Then on the TD, Wilber and Hitchens missed badly in traffic and Wilcox is once again in position and this time because he wasn't there in time he broke down. The RB put a move on him and he whiffed again. Then bad Wilcox was back. He rallied a bit at the end of the half but overall it was a disappointment.

Then again the only people up the middle I liked were Irvin and Nzeocha amongst the first bunch. It's still early but the guys were not using the technique they have been practicing. It seemed since it was the first contact of the season and TC being what it is that everyone wanted to throw and get a lick in. I hope Marinelli and Eberflus murders them.
 

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Benjamin Albright wasn't impressed. LOL.



LOL as compared to every other rookie this weekend who's box numbers sucked and were flat out bad at the same time?

He's looking for attention and loses credibility with a tweet like that.
 

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Well when analysts make their living off of scouting and helping the media hype train overrate prospects there is a vested interest there. How bad does the scouting/analyst community look when the first 2 big QB prospects look terrible and the mid round guy that everyone didn't give chance looks great? Their credibility is in question and now they have to scramble to marginalize Dak's game to protect their word. As if the other QBs didn't get the easy reads and play combinations? No matter how they try to explain it Dak's debut was impressive, but let's temper our excitement and see if he can repeat that performance or best it in the next game.

Hard not to be excited, though. He checked every box as far as what you want to see from not just a backup, but a future starter. If he turns in 3 more performance's on that level, people will be talking quarterback controversy.
 

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with gatchkar and durant locks for the roster I can't imagine there are more than 1 spot left which means nzochea. Hard to think wilson will make the team but be inactive all year but that maybe the case. If morris shows he can be productive on special teams he make take the guys spot.

it has to be extremely frustrating for the staff because he is talented but they get put in a difficult spot here with him.

Wilson was active on game days and was top 3 in ST tackles last year. Seeing the coverage yesterday I wouldn't be surprised if he makes it.
 

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Hard not to be excited, though. He checked every box as far as what you want to see from not just a backup, but a future starter. If he turns in 3 more performance's on that level, people will be talking quarterback controversy.

Well he didn't check the box of a traditional 5 step drop where he scans one side of the field and the other during the dropback. When he was under center he was looking to a playfake and then back upfield making a quick read. It was vanilla offense and defense and he owned but this is just the first step.
 

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Well he didn't check the box of a traditional 5 step drop where he scans one side of the field and the other during the dropback. When he was under center he was looking to a playfake and then back upfield making a quick read. It was vanilla offense and defense and he owned but this is just the first step.
Fair enough. But for his first game, I'm still impressed and encouraged about that particular position.
 

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nobody worth paying attention to will.

That is why I said "people.". It will be a headline... somewhere...my guess would be ESPN or the mothership in an attempt to get in front of it. Either way, 3 more games of that and it is coming up. And in the regular season, should Romo have a bad game...the whispers and tongue wagging of insiders will begin and won't stop until Romo reminds people why he is the starter...
 

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Benjamin Albright wasn't impressed. LOL.




Exactly.....

Kid didn't go through one single progression. Threw to his first look everytime. Didn't look off any DBs....and a half a count slow in all his throws...not that anybody will understand what I'm talking about....Since everyone is a QB expert here.:rolleyes:
 

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Irving was ok, he got stoned several times especially when he was trying his spin move. He is so lanky and tall that it looks awkward. He wasn't very quick on the snap either. He definitely has a role but not sure he can be a consistent pass rusher.

I think the idea of moving him to DE was Marinelli's silly idea of running End/tackle twists...w/ Irving ending up @ DT from a DE stunt. Sounds good on paper.....But I didn't like the results. It just takes too much time to run the twist. In todays NFL...where 3 step drops and the pistol formation reign supreme....I think your better off rushing 4/keeping lane integrity..and getting your hands up.
 

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Fair enough. But for his first game, I'm still impressed and encouraged about that particular position.

Oh me too. Don't get me wrong, he looked downright polished, I'm just trying to keep it real.
 

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Exactly.....

Kid didn't go through one single progression. Threw to his first look everytime. Didn't look off any DBs....and a half a count slow in all his throws...not that anybody will understand what I'm talking about....Since everyone is a QB expert here.:rolleyes:

His first read was open a lot. That is not a bad thing. He was also looking off receivers and utilizing the pump fake to set up throws. Moore is likely to get an injury settlement and you know it but real is real.
 
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