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This started out as a response to someone telling me that most of the corners in the draft were like Moreau and cowardly on the field. At that point I had only watched a few corners this year and decided to go look for myself. Long story short on that front: I have the opposite opinion. Moreau is one of the softest players I have ever seen and the majority of the prospects I watched this session were many orders more agressive.
Thing is that I ended up looking at them as a whole and writing about more than just their ability as tacklers and in pursuit. So given that and the length I figured I would make a thread out of it as opposed to having it buried on page X of a thread about a specific player.
notes: This is not my ranking. I just went down NFLdraftscouts ranking and skipped Lattimore as I don't see him being available in any scenario. I went to draftbreakdown to watch game cutups of said players. I will put the links at the end of the post. As always I encourage everyone to watch these guys and come up with your own opinions. Dissent is encouraged as it leads to good conversation. Wisconsin's QB is terrible.
Marlon Humphries aggressive in pursuit with strong finish on tackles. Doesn't wrap consistently and can miss. Excellent man skills. Inconsistent in looking for the ball and inconsistent zone awareness but fluid athleticism and strength allow him to dominate routes in man coverage. RS sophomore is still raw with high upside.
Fabian Moreau avoids contact. Will widen pursuit to allow teammates in to make play. Avoids piles. Runs away from blocks. Hard to tell what type of tackler he is because he avoids them so often. Fluid athlete with sticky coverage. Excellent speed to recover. Inconsistent in looking for the ball and does not always attack throws. Do not want.
Tre White is not overly physical but he doesn't avoid contact. Wrap and drag tackler. Adequate athletic metrics will give separation in man. Developed ball skills; will drive on football, highpoint, and intuition to look for ball. Consistent zone awareness playing from slot and both strong and weak side. Deflects a lot of throws to his receiver. Smart player.
Cordrea Tankersley is a wrap and drive form tackler. Willingly takes on blocks would like more consistent effort to disengage. good man coverage but will lose focus and allow receivers behind him occasionally despite timed speed (4.40). Dynamic zone coverage playing cover 3 as well as intermediate and short calls. Awareness to drive on throws. Balls skills to make difficult interceptions through contact.
Chidobe Awuzie is a wrap and drive form tackler. Aggressive attacking ball carriers and piles. Gets pushed around on blocks. Zone skills to pass off and switch. Ran cover 3, short and intermediate looks. Lines up all over the formation. Ball skill to look for the ball, drive on throws, and high point. Gets pushed around at top of routes by physical receivers giving separation and receptions. Quickness to cover through cuts.
Teez Tabor is a leg wrapper and is prone to stiff arms and whiffs. Tenacious and pursuit but can get swallowed up by blocks. Played exclusively at LCB. Played on and off the los. Physical jam that he can sustain through the release to reroute effectively. Heady zone player able to cover two players at once peeling off to attack throws. When manned up relies on quickness and physical play to win. More quick than fast he will overplay the top. Very good at cutting off routes but becomes prone to comebacks and cuts when he does. Interested to see if he doesn't improve his time at his pro day.
Jourdan Lewis tries to dive at and wrap legs. Inconsistent in pursuit. Will see him give up on blocks often but will also see him chase plays across the formation to make a tackle. Prone to stiff arms. Played almost exclusively RCB. Dynamic zone and man coverage. Fluid athlete able to run stride for stride through breaks. Excellent hands and attacks the football but inconsistent intuition to look for the ball. Very handsy throughout the route will constantly push and grab; got away with it more often than not. Prone to mental mistakes and will see breakdowns in coverage. Seems stupid on the field at times.
Gareon Conley is a form tackler aggressive in attacking the football and piles. Attacks blocks but can get taken for a ride. Sticky coverage with a good lid over the top. Fluid athlete quick, fast and swift pivot. Strong punch on jam. Moves around formation. Inconsistent zone awareness but has a strong drive on the ball. Balls skills to look for, high point, and drive on the ball. Small hands and body catches. Can be taken advantage of by big receivers and accurate passes thrown open. Will get pushed around at top of route giving up catches.
Kevin King has poor tackling technique and tries to cut at ball carrier's legs as opposed to wrapping. Aggressive in pursuit and does not give up on plays saving scores. Excellent anchor taking on blocks, uses long arms and one arm technique to keep frame free. Played a lot of cover 3 and man almost exclusively from the RCB. Only moved around in man on WR motion. Ball skills to look for ball and high point. Explosive out of breaks. Stop start not as strong and will give separation on double moves.
Quincy Wilson is extremely raw and unformed. You will see him occasionally try to wrap the legs but all too often you see him throwing wildly and not squared up. Takes bad angles in space and while he does have the ability to slip blocks with his quickness he gets swallowed up and driven a lot. Alabama had a field day on him in this way. His quickness allows him to keep up through breaks in coverage but his lack of deep speed is apparent when he gives up separation over the top. Has good core strength and body control to handle physical receivers at the top of the route. Fledgling ball skills and awareness leads to inconsistency and bad steps. The natural junior is a project.
Adoree Jackson is is a wrap up tackler who will go for the legs or a form tackle depending on situation. His pursuit is excellent and he uses his elite speed to advantage covering for his teammates and saving scores. Good upper and core body strength allows him to control blocks and make tackles through them. In coverage he was moved around the formation and played in mainly man and cover 3 looks. He uses his speed to advantage in coverage. He has the speed to recover and baits QBs on deep throws to undercut and high point the ball. Excellent intuition for throws and consistent hands catcher. His quicks and pivots allow him to stay stride for stride through cuts. His press is unremarkable and he does take bad steps on juke releases which leads to stumbles or even his falling down. Outside of that he does not get beat deep. Returns punts and kicks on ST. Bit of a project particularly with his technique off the line but he has quickly become a pet cat of mine. I would love him to be our second round pick.
Sidney Jones is a wrapup tackler who has an excellent motor in pursuit. Uses his athleticism to flank blocks and when he cannot he has the core strength and length to play off of them, shed and make the tackle. Can lose leverage and get pushed. Played man and cover 3/4 looks and excellent quickness and pivot to stick with receivers through double moves. Jam is second only to Tabor that I have watched so far in this class and does a remarkable job of sustaining the press on inside releases. Can be taken advantage of due to diminutive size but incredibly polished for a true junior. Should be a first round pick but has fallen precipitously following his achilles injury. Would not select until 4th given immediate need at position. Don't see it happening.
Ahkello Witherspoon is inconsistent with his technique. He will wrap when it is his man but tries to cut tacklers in space. This leads to a lot of misses. He is tentative and avoids contact in pursuit and gives up on blocks similar to Moreau. Good speed and stays with deep routes but average pivot has him allowing separation on double moves. Has intuition to look for the ball but does not make plays on the ball outside of knocking it away. Do not want.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/rating...ear=2017&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC&startspot=10
http://draftbreakdown.com/players/?draft_class=2017&position=CB
Thing is that I ended up looking at them as a whole and writing about more than just their ability as tacklers and in pursuit. So given that and the length I figured I would make a thread out of it as opposed to having it buried on page X of a thread about a specific player.
notes: This is not my ranking. I just went down NFLdraftscouts ranking and skipped Lattimore as I don't see him being available in any scenario. I went to draftbreakdown to watch game cutups of said players. I will put the links at the end of the post. As always I encourage everyone to watch these guys and come up with your own opinions. Dissent is encouraged as it leads to good conversation. Wisconsin's QB is terrible.
Marlon Humphries aggressive in pursuit with strong finish on tackles. Doesn't wrap consistently and can miss. Excellent man skills. Inconsistent in looking for the ball and inconsistent zone awareness but fluid athleticism and strength allow him to dominate routes in man coverage. RS sophomore is still raw with high upside.
Fabian Moreau avoids contact. Will widen pursuit to allow teammates in to make play. Avoids piles. Runs away from blocks. Hard to tell what type of tackler he is because he avoids them so often. Fluid athlete with sticky coverage. Excellent speed to recover. Inconsistent in looking for the ball and does not always attack throws. Do not want.
Tre White is not overly physical but he doesn't avoid contact. Wrap and drag tackler. Adequate athletic metrics will give separation in man. Developed ball skills; will drive on football, highpoint, and intuition to look for ball. Consistent zone awareness playing from slot and both strong and weak side. Deflects a lot of throws to his receiver. Smart player.
Cordrea Tankersley is a wrap and drive form tackler. Willingly takes on blocks would like more consistent effort to disengage. good man coverage but will lose focus and allow receivers behind him occasionally despite timed speed (4.40). Dynamic zone coverage playing cover 3 as well as intermediate and short calls. Awareness to drive on throws. Balls skills to make difficult interceptions through contact.
Chidobe Awuzie is a wrap and drive form tackler. Aggressive attacking ball carriers and piles. Gets pushed around on blocks. Zone skills to pass off and switch. Ran cover 3, short and intermediate looks. Lines up all over the formation. Ball skill to look for the ball, drive on throws, and high point. Gets pushed around at top of routes by physical receivers giving separation and receptions. Quickness to cover through cuts.
Teez Tabor is a leg wrapper and is prone to stiff arms and whiffs. Tenacious and pursuit but can get swallowed up by blocks. Played exclusively at LCB. Played on and off the los. Physical jam that he can sustain through the release to reroute effectively. Heady zone player able to cover two players at once peeling off to attack throws. When manned up relies on quickness and physical play to win. More quick than fast he will overplay the top. Very good at cutting off routes but becomes prone to comebacks and cuts when he does. Interested to see if he doesn't improve his time at his pro day.
Jourdan Lewis tries to dive at and wrap legs. Inconsistent in pursuit. Will see him give up on blocks often but will also see him chase plays across the formation to make a tackle. Prone to stiff arms. Played almost exclusively RCB. Dynamic zone and man coverage. Fluid athlete able to run stride for stride through breaks. Excellent hands and attacks the football but inconsistent intuition to look for the ball. Very handsy throughout the route will constantly push and grab; got away with it more often than not. Prone to mental mistakes and will see breakdowns in coverage. Seems stupid on the field at times.
Gareon Conley is a form tackler aggressive in attacking the football and piles. Attacks blocks but can get taken for a ride. Sticky coverage with a good lid over the top. Fluid athlete quick, fast and swift pivot. Strong punch on jam. Moves around formation. Inconsistent zone awareness but has a strong drive on the ball. Balls skills to look for, high point, and drive on the ball. Small hands and body catches. Can be taken advantage of by big receivers and accurate passes thrown open. Will get pushed around at top of route giving up catches.
Kevin King has poor tackling technique and tries to cut at ball carrier's legs as opposed to wrapping. Aggressive in pursuit and does not give up on plays saving scores. Excellent anchor taking on blocks, uses long arms and one arm technique to keep frame free. Played a lot of cover 3 and man almost exclusively from the RCB. Only moved around in man on WR motion. Ball skills to look for ball and high point. Explosive out of breaks. Stop start not as strong and will give separation on double moves.
Quincy Wilson is extremely raw and unformed. You will see him occasionally try to wrap the legs but all too often you see him throwing wildly and not squared up. Takes bad angles in space and while he does have the ability to slip blocks with his quickness he gets swallowed up and driven a lot. Alabama had a field day on him in this way. His quickness allows him to keep up through breaks in coverage but his lack of deep speed is apparent when he gives up separation over the top. Has good core strength and body control to handle physical receivers at the top of the route. Fledgling ball skills and awareness leads to inconsistency and bad steps. The natural junior is a project.
Adoree Jackson is is a wrap up tackler who will go for the legs or a form tackle depending on situation. His pursuit is excellent and he uses his elite speed to advantage covering for his teammates and saving scores. Good upper and core body strength allows him to control blocks and make tackles through them. In coverage he was moved around the formation and played in mainly man and cover 3 looks. He uses his speed to advantage in coverage. He has the speed to recover and baits QBs on deep throws to undercut and high point the ball. Excellent intuition for throws and consistent hands catcher. His quicks and pivots allow him to stay stride for stride through cuts. His press is unremarkable and he does take bad steps on juke releases which leads to stumbles or even his falling down. Outside of that he does not get beat deep. Returns punts and kicks on ST. Bit of a project particularly with his technique off the line but he has quickly become a pet cat of mine. I would love him to be our second round pick.
Sidney Jones is a wrapup tackler who has an excellent motor in pursuit. Uses his athleticism to flank blocks and when he cannot he has the core strength and length to play off of them, shed and make the tackle. Can lose leverage and get pushed. Played man and cover 3/4 looks and excellent quickness and pivot to stick with receivers through double moves. Jam is second only to Tabor that I have watched so far in this class and does a remarkable job of sustaining the press on inside releases. Can be taken advantage of due to diminutive size but incredibly polished for a true junior. Should be a first round pick but has fallen precipitously following his achilles injury. Would not select until 4th given immediate need at position. Don't see it happening.
Ahkello Witherspoon is inconsistent with his technique. He will wrap when it is his man but tries to cut tacklers in space. This leads to a lot of misses. He is tentative and avoids contact in pursuit and gives up on blocks similar to Moreau. Good speed and stays with deep routes but average pivot has him allowing separation on double moves. Has intuition to look for the ball but does not make plays on the ball outside of knocking it away. Do not want.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/rating...ear=2017&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC&startspot=10
http://draftbreakdown.com/players/?draft_class=2017&position=CB
