Fuzzy Thoughts on McFadden

[Brooksey]

Not ripping, just asking questions.

You're not just asking questions, you're doing what you do. You sound just like my nephew, are you over 21 out of curiosity?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Not ripping, just asking questions.

One of the best ways to rip someone is to ask questions because a question in and of itself implies uncertainty and doubt. When your question basically boils down to 'why did McFadden suck and Murray not' and 'why is his ypc so low? you are mmore or less making statements.

FWIW, in the last 4 games or IOW when Murray was starter, he averaged 3.7 YPC. MJD average 2.2 YPC for the year. That is how i bias my stats in an effort to compare like with like.

 

[Nightman]

The thing about taking a running back in the first, is that he is wrapped up in his rookie contract for a five year period. Right now, that speaks very loudly to this fan...and Romo's longevity issue.

The total with the 5th year option would be around 5yr/13m. It may go up a little in 5 years, but not by much.

To me it depends on how many years they might sign Hardy for. If they only get Hardy on a cheap 1 year deal it might be better to draft a DE or CB in the first. They would get 5 years for around 16m and still get a quality RB in the second or third.

 

[wileedog]

The total with the 5th year option would be around 5yr/13m. It may go up a little in 5 years, but not by much.

To me it depends on how many years they might sign Hardy for. If they only get Hardy on a cheap 1 year deal it might be better to draft a DE or CB in the first. They would get 5 years for around 16m and still get a quality RB in the second or third.

Given the length of the negotiations and possibility of a suspension for some games this season I will be very surprised if Hardy's deal is a 1 year Show Me type. Hardy wasn't hurt, just had some legal trouble which will be taken care of this season.

 

[Nightman]

Given the length of the negotiations and possibility of a suspension for some games this season I will be very surprised if Hardy's deal is a 1 year Show Me type. Hardy wasn't hurt, just had some legal trouble which will be taken care of this season.

I know, but the Joneses have been reluctant to come off any serious money. I say dive on in.

 

[wileedog]

I know, but the Joneses have been reluctant to come off any serious money. I say dive on in.

That is true, but I think they saw they had draft options for Murray they don't have with Hardy. Or maybe they are even still plotting for AP.

I don't think Hardy even flies to Dallas for a 1 year deal offer.

 

[CyberB0b]

You're not just asking questions, you're doing what you do. You sound just like my nephew, are you over 21 out of curiosity?

No, I'm 15.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The total with the 5th year option would be around 5yr/13m. It may go up a little in 5 years, but not by much.

To me it depends on how many years they might sign Hardy for. If they only get Hardy on a cheap 1 year deal it might be better to draft a DE or CB in the first. They would get 5 years for around 16m and still get a quality RB in the second or third.

He is rumored to be suspended for 4-6 games. I doubt that it would be one year. the team does like two year deals and in that scenario your point is still very valid. I hadn't looked at it like that. interesting.

 

[cowboyschmps3]

I came into this thinking that McFadden has had injury problems since coming into the league and that robbed him of his athleticism and thus his poor performances. I watched the Texans, Pats, 1st Chargers, Cleveland, 1st KC Chiefs, and Buffalo.

Rookie QB who struggled on third down and had a penchant for bad interceptions early in the year. Struggled with ball security under pressure trying to make throws downfield with guys draped over him. When given time could make reads and throws with accuracy but made quite a few quetionable throws across the middle. Inconsistent as you expect with a rookie but godawful under pressure. Early in the year he would absolutely kill them with bad picks which would put them behind and snowball as he pressed.

the OL was bad. Penn the LT was a steady in pass protection but couldn't generate push or seal the edge on an island with any consistency.

The best was a good player in rookie LG Gabe Jackson. He was the sole power player and could get push at the poa. Asking him to move farther than a wham pull to the opposite B gap is an adventure though.

Wisniewski was the center and he was pretty decent space by contrast but absolutely needs to get stronger. Watt, Hughes, Wilfork, Luiget and Poe all had their way with him. He can pick up LB but could not handle DT well.

RG was problematic. At first it was manned by 3rd round pick Bergstrom but he was weak and ineffective much like our David Arkin and was replaced by Howard. Howard had poor hands and poor power but was better telling the state of the position. When they ran right inside 90% of the time it was a wham play because they could not generate power . Jackson would have to make a moving block and they would have to cutoff the gaping backside hole. That didn't succeed too often.

RT was a nightmare. Barnes was the starter beating out second year player Menalik Watson. Barnes had marginal feet but was steady. Watson had good feet but looked very poor with his hands and had trouble setting down in his stance. He got a lot of playing time because Barnes was hurt a lot though. He constantly let guys get inside his hands, couldn't hold onto blocks and would hold, and just plain whiff constantly. It was a parade of missed cut off blocks. With poor playside action runners were constatntly caught from behind.

Wilson was the only TE that played. He made plays in the passing game but had suspect hands dropping several passes over a couple of games. He could get open deep on the seam and post and even with Al gone that is a premium in Oaktown. Sealing the edge he was awful. He and Reese the FB had issues reaching blocks on the perimeter and could not hold them particularly early in the year. More on that later.

Jones and Holmes the starting wideouts are good downfield threats. Holmes likes to have rashes of dropped passes though. Vincent Jackson was hurt and came in late in the year to contribute but seemed to be more about making a paycheck than winning football games.

The other RB were MJD who was signed to start in the offseason. He continued to get hurt and so DMC started with Murray behind. He got healthy and they rotated DMC and him for the meat of the season until the end of the year and the focus became next season and player development when Murray got the start and DMC rotated down the stretch. MJD wore down REAL quick and seems just about done for the NFL.

Coach started off as Dennis Allen. He liked to use a lot of 31, wildcat, and tackle eligible on 1st down and running plays. They never trusted their 2nd TE all year long. Outside of that they ran a whole gamut of formations but primarily 11 and empty personnel. Lots and lots of shotgun that went nowhere. The team was very poorly coached as evidenced by illegal formations, false starts, delay of games, blown assignments, and the like. Allen was yanked and replaced by the second game I watched by Sparano.

Sparano simplified the offense. The empty set and 31 went away for the most part. Reese was used as a moving h-back and improved steadily over the season. Edge runs started to spring occasionally. the passing game and evolution of Carr was prioritized for obvious reasons. The team did get better.

the running game itself featured the same plays we are used to here. Inside zones and counters, zone stretches, offtackle, sweep/pitches. They did not pull there guards outside like we like to do though. Under Allen they called the draw but Sparano moved away from that. Seems to be a league trend. They weren't good at it. The backside blocking was bad all year killing the stretches, offtackles and sweeps. The tackles/TE could not seal the edges either. Jackson and to a lesser extent Wisniewski could get some movement inside so they ran between the tackles a lot. Second level blocking was spotty so guys like Cushing had a field day. They also did a poor job on the nose so the zone cut backs were seldom there with the likes of Poe Wilfork and Lissemore lying in wait.

Compounding all this was heavy boxes. Weddle, Whitner, and Swearingen lived on the los and the Raiders couldn't make them pay either due to poor pass pro or a bevy of drops by receivers. Between this and poor perimeter blocking outside runs were often received by a S and OLB on the edge.

For McFadden is was tough sledding early. The Penn Jackson Wisniewsi Bergstron Watson line was clown car bad with missed blocks and guys going backwards of skates. Think bad Costa. Jackson was good for springing an inside run or two but that was about it. DMC and MJD both were hit early and often in the backfield. Outside runs were stacked at the line and pursuit caught up. when the play would seem to work for a big gain the yellow laundry came. By the middle of the season they had all but abandoned the outside attempts.

DMC is a willing runner between the tackles. His issue is that he tries to compensate for his upright running style by crouching and leaning to get low. This effects his stride and balance. He is not as steady on his feet even if he doesn't match the hyperbole of falling down at first contact. Once he is out of the hole he returns to his stride.

He does not try to fight through 2 or more tackles and will get down. He does not get stood up and pummeled ever. in the games I watched the ball came out twice. first was the ground causing a fumble thus no fumble the other saw him pop past the second level against the Browns and the FS got a helmet right on the ball. It was a good hit and the ball came loose. while that is not good. It was his only fumble all year long in 155 carries.

As the season progressed, Reese got better and Barnes got healthy taking Watson off the field. Howard also settled in and was a bit more consistent if not overpowering. This is when MJD was put out to pasture and Murray started to be featured. DMC was not benched but continued to get carries and passing snaps. In particular runs off left end started getting sealed and both Murray and McFadden took advantage.

Physically McFadden does not look cooked. I studied him back in the draft and he doesn't appear to have lost a step. He still has speed to beat pursuit to the edge when the poa is blocked up and he still has burst getting to the hole. He also does a good job planting his foot and cutting backside without losing speed even if there were people there too more often than not.

He is also a physical runner. While he won't try to fight through two defenders often, he seeks to lay a lick on individual defenders trying to fill the hole. He ran over a couple of guys and does not shy from contact. He either gets down or pounds downhill. He doesn't *****foot it as they say. Some of our ball carriers would try to dance and get stood up leading to fumbles. it will be interesting to see what the coaches here have him doing.

He is a complete back. He did give up on sack on pass protection that I saw though. He made the right read to slide over to stop a weakside blitz but didn't get square for the hit. The defender was able to maintain his rush which forced Carr to step up. That would have been that but Watson failed to block Kruger at all so Carr stepped up into his arms. For the most part though he was square and when he hits, he hits hard. Very physical player that stones DB and LB consistently and has a chance against DE. He is also very attentive to help in pass protection and is aware of who needs help. Some of the pass protection would look like a sieve but DMC would step up to the middle rush and Carr would be able to get the ball out. this happened time and again on their 6 man protections.

He was somewhat featured in the passing game early in the year under Allen. The 5 man protections that empty sets demand were a bad idea with a rookie QB but when they would trot them out they split DMC out wide and had him run routes. It was mostly hitches slants and fades. He gets separation fairly easily but Carr only threw him the ball once. It was a well placed ball over the shoulder on a fade that he clanged off his hands. that was disappointing but I would like to see more with better oline play not leaving the QB out to dry.

Sparano phased that out quickly and for the most part DMC played the conventional checkdown role. He has excellent hands on those passes even when throws are slightly behind. Sparano would also motion him out wide much like Payton and Reid like to do and that did have success either on bubble screens or quick slants which he executed well.

After watching the tape the guy that needs to worry about his role is Dunbar. DMC can do all the things that he could in the passing and outside game, is bigger, stronger and just a fast. He is a much superior blocker.

I am interested to see what he can do behind a competent Oline running the ball though. Leary is comparable to Jackson in skillset but while Jackson is their best Leary is #4. Hanna, Witten, Free and of course Smith are all significantly better blockers that can seal the edges consistently. Fred is one of the most powerful blockers on the nose in the NFL and DMC will see more cutback lanes. In general our guys get push while Oakland does not.

As it stands now, I am very comfortable with McFadden coming in on the third down role. i imagine he will have that locked down as Randle and co are either unreliable or green in pass protection while DMC is ready willing and capable.

As a runner I have significant hopes for him with better blocking but I cannot be sure until it is actually seen. Projections are what they are but I saw his poor running had more to do with poor blocking up front than anything DMC did or did not do.

They said in the interview that all Jerry talked bout during their convo was his Blocking And well I know he can run behind this oline and surprise many

 

[kevm3]

If you can get an impact player, you don't sign them for 1 year deals imo. All you're doing is auditioning them for another team or putting yourself in a situation to have to pay them a lot more later. Sometimes you have to take risks. No winning without risks.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

They said in the interview that all Jerry talked bout during their convo was his Blocking And well I know he can run behind this oline and surprise many

I'm going to take a wait and see approach. lights out DMC has the speed to beat both cover 2 safeties on runs right up the middle. I don't know that he can still do that or even what eh can do with consistent blocking. I never ever saw him get into a running rhythm at all. He would have a couple or even a few positive gains but then taht would be it. He was getting hit behind the line, getting stymied at the line and dragged down from behind, or cutting back into Wisniewski on the ground again. He understands what the play is trying to accomplish and he keys off his blocks but the times in a game that the blocking was adequate in any game i watched could be counted on one hand.

Them trying to secure the edge for him early in the season was pitiful. the S was playing up a lot so you have 4 LB and the two outside guys just flanked everything outside. that also helped deal with the wideouts. the opposition knew the right side was bad and would shift everything to the weakside That meant that when Reese/Wilson and whichever tackle it was managed to slow down the edge at all there was still was a S there to slow him down. He trucked a lot of them but when its on the line and pursuit is coming that means a lot of 3 and 4 yard gains even when the blocking was good. Most of the time the blocking was good. If I was a Raiders fan I would hate Menalik Watson. With his lack of timing, poor bend and kitten punch he reminded me of Alex Barron. Howard and gimp Barnes were slowfooted and would get turned and whiff too.

the team just sucked and evaluating doesn't give me a lot of confidence because it's not like against like. I'd like to think that he is going to be a slasher the destroys opponents on stretches, off tackle, and those awesome counters behind Zach Martin but I only see it my minds eye. Nothing empirical to go by.

 

[jrumann59]

I will go with what Fuzzy has said. The only RB that excelled when his line sucked was Barry. A RB like McFadden needs room, a RB like Murray in Oakland is more like D Murray excels in dirty yardage. McFadden needs to build up steam and is much more agile than either Murray and speed to burn, no matter similar RB are in build they are not the same types or running back.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Why is there such a big discrepancy between the other runners' production and his? Secondly, who plays special teams if it is DMC, Randle, and Draft Player X?

That's what I wondered as well. There have been some Raiders backs who have had some success with that offensive line. A few Raiders fans have told me that McFadden is just a bit top heavy. Too muscular. He's easy to take down.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That's what I wondered as well. There have been some Raiders backs who have had some success with that offensive line. A few Raiders fans have told me that McFadden is just a bit top heavy. Too muscular. He's easy to take down.

I guess they wanted him to break more of those tackles behind the los.

Maurice Jones Drew got 2.2 ypc last season.

Latavius Murray got limited carries the first 12 games of last season. He managed 3.7 ypc as the starter over the last 4 games as opposed to the 3.5 DMC managed overall.

I am not going to tell you that DMC is any good after what I saw but what I will say is that the offensive lines he ran behind is one of the worst I have seen perhaps ever. The cardinal sin for an OL is allowing penetration and it was routine.

Their LT Penn would beat out Hillis but he is not better than Parnell or our starters. Their LG Jackson was their best player would take Bernadeau's spot but would not start for us. Bernadeau has the functional strength that Wisniewski lacks so he would not make our roster. Bergstrom and Howard are much the same. Bernadeau's balance issues pale in comparison to leadfoot and the wimp plus Mack plays smart. Barnes would have been the 4th tackle over professional practice player Hillis but he likely would have been IR and pupped much like Weems when he got hurt out the gate. Watson doesn't have the balance, flexibility, or mind to play in the NFL.

Barnes and Penn were not that bad but that was more on account of their pass protection. I don't watch a whole lot of other NFL teams but I rank Watson a hair above 2005 Rob Pettite and 2010 Alex Barron. I put him below 2012 Doug Free and 2004 Solomon Page.

Overall for the worst line I have witnessed I pit Penn Jackson Wisniewski Howard Watson against Adams Allen Johnson Proctor Pettite. I do think Solomon Page and Pettite ended up starting and playing a game together in 2005. While that may have been the worst single gameday line I think I would take Flo and the corpse of Larry Allen overall.
The stuff we trotted out in 2010-11 that had Livings, Costa, Killer, and bad Doug Free was not very good but Smith was good early so I end up with them a tier above last year's Raiders and Parcells debacle. I'll take another 2nd round TE before another Johnson and Jacobs back to back 2nd round though.

 

[FiveTime]

Thanks for the review Fuzzy!

 

[Biggems]

I think that statement is a bit of a hyperbole, I can think of many busts bigger than McFadden. Bosworth, Leinhart, and Leaf right off the top of my head. Notice that most of the players we have named have come from one team, the Raiders. That organization is in shambles, and has been for a very long time. I think it is fair to give McFadden a chance to prove himself at another organization before you write him off.

he said bust of the century, the 2000s.....you are naming players from the 1900s.....a totally different century.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

You're not just asking questions, you're doing what you do. You sound just like my nephew, are you over 21 out of curiosity?

Lol

No, I'm 15.

Just insulted all 15 year olds lmao

 

[egn22]

I came into this thinking that McFadden has had injury problems since coming into the league and that robbed him of his athleticism and thus his poor performances. I watched the Texans, Pats, 1st Chargers, Cleveland, 1st KC Chiefs, and Buffalo.

Rookie QB who struggled on third down and had a penchant for bad interceptions early in the year. Struggled with ball security under pressure trying to make throws downfield with guys draped over him. When given time could make reads and throws with accuracy but made quite a few quetionable throws across the middle. Inconsistent as you expect with a rookie but godawful under pressure. Early in the year he would absolutely kill them with bad picks which would put them behind and snowball as he pressed.

the OL was bad. Penn the LT was a steady in pass protection but couldn't generate push or seal the edge on an island with any consistency.

The best was a good player in rookie LG Gabe Jackson. He was the sole power player and could get push at the poa. Asking him to move farther than a wham pull to the opposite B gap is an adventure though.

Wisniewski was the center and he was pretty decent space by contrast but absolutely needs to get stronger. Watt, Hughes, Wilfork, Luiget and Poe all had their way with him. He can pick up LB but could not handle DT well.

RG was problematic. At first it was manned by 3rd round pick Bergstrom but he was weak and ineffective much like our David Arkin and was replaced by Howard. Howard had poor hands and poor power but was better telling the state of the position. When they ran right inside 90% of the time it was a wham play because they could not generate power . Jackson would have to make a moving block and they would have to cutoff the gaping backside hole. That didn't succeed too often.

RT was a nightmare. Barnes was the starter beating out second year player Menalik Watson. Barnes had marginal feet but was steady. Watson had good feet but looked very poor with his hands and had trouble setting down in his stance. He got a lot of playing time because Barnes was hurt a lot though. He constantly let guys get inside his hands, couldn't hold onto blocks and would hold, and just plain whiff constantly. It was a parade of missed cut off blocks. With poor playside action runners were constatntly caught from behind.

Wilson was the only TE that played. He made plays in the passing game but had suspect hands dropping several passes over a couple of games. He could get open deep on the seam and post and even with Al gone that is a premium in Oaktown. Sealing the edge he was awful. He and Reese the FB had issues reaching blocks on the perimeter and could not hold them particularly early in the year. More on that later.

Jones and Holmes the starting wideouts are good downfield threats. Holmes likes to have rashes of dropped passes though. Vincent Jackson was hurt and came in late in the year to contribute but seemed to be more about making a paycheck than winning football games.

The other RB were MJD who was signed to start in the offseason. He continued to get hurt and so DMC started with Murray behind. He got healthy and they rotated DMC and him for the meat of the season until the end of the year and the focus became next season and player development when Murray got the start and DMC rotated down the stretch. MJD wore down REAL quick and seems just about done for the NFL.

Coach started off as Dennis Allen. He liked to use a lot of 31, wildcat, and tackle eligible on 1st down and running plays. They never trusted their 2nd TE all year long. Outside of that they ran a whole gamut of formations but primarily 11 and empty personnel. Lots and lots of shotgun that went nowhere. The team was very poorly coached as evidenced by illegal formations, false starts, delay of games, blown assignments, and the like. Allen was yanked and replaced by the second game I watched by Sparano.

Sparano simplified the offense. The empty set and 31 went away for the most part. Reese was used as a moving h-back and improved steadily over the season. Edge runs started to spring occasionally. the passing game and evolution of Carr was prioritized for obvious reasons. The team did get better.

the running game itself featured the same plays we are used to here. Inside zones and counters, zone stretches, offtackle, sweep/pitches. They did not pull there guards outside like we like to do though. Under Allen they called the draw but Sparano moved away from that. Seems to be a league trend. They weren't good at it. The backside blocking was bad all year killing the stretches, offtackles and sweeps. The tackles/TE could not seal the edges either. Jackson and to a lesser extent Wisniewski could get some movement inside so they ran between the tackles a lot. Second level blocking was spotty so guys like Cushing had a field day. They also did a poor job on the nose so the zone cut backs were seldom there with the likes of Poe Wilfork and Lissemore lying in wait.

Compounding all this was heavy boxes. Weddle, Whitner, and Swearingen lived on the los and the Raiders couldn't make them pay either due to poor pass pro or a bevy of drops by receivers. Between this and poor perimeter blocking outside runs were often received by a S and OLB on the edge.

For McFadden is was tough sledding early. The Penn Jackson Wisniewsi Bergstron Watson line was clown car bad with missed blocks and guys going backwards of skates. Think bad Costa. Jackson was good for springing an inside run or two but that was about it. DMC and MJD both were hit early and often in the backfield. Outside runs were stacked at the line and pursuit caught up. when the play would seem to work for a big gain the yellow laundry came. By the middle of the season they had all but abandoned the outside attempts.

DMC is a willing runner between the tackles. His issue is that he tries to compensate for his upright running style by crouching and leaning to get low. This effects his stride and balance. He is not as steady on his feet even if he doesn't match the hyperbole of falling down at first contact. Once he is out of the hole he returns to his stride.

He does not try to fight through 2 or more tackles and will get down. He does not get stood up and pummeled ever. in the games I watched the ball came out twice. first was the ground causing a fumble thus no fumble the other saw him pop past the second level against the Browns and the FS got a helmet right on the ball. It was a good hit and the ball came loose. while that is not good. It was his only fumble all year long in 155 carries.

As the season progressed, Reese got better and Barnes got healthy taking Watson off the field. Howard also settled in and was a bit more consistent if not overpowering. This is when MJD was put out to pasture and Murray started to be featured. DMC was not benched but continued to get carries and passing snaps. In particular runs off left end started getting sealed and both Murray and McFadden took advantage.

Physically McFadden does not look cooked. I studied him back in the draft and he doesn't appear to have lost a step. He still has speed to beat pursuit to the edge when the poa is blocked up and he still has burst getting to the hole. He also does a good job planting his foot and cutting backside without losing speed even if there were people there too more often than not.

He is also a physical runner. While he won't try to fight through two defenders often, he seeks to lay a lick on individual defenders trying to fill the hole. He ran over a couple of guys and does not shy from contact. He either gets down or pounds downhill. He doesn't *****foot it as they say. Some of our ball carriers would try to dance and get stood up leading to fumbles. it will be interesting to see what the coaches here have him doing.

He is a complete back. He did give up on sack on pass protection that I saw though. He made the right read to slide over to stop a weakside blitz but didn't get square for the hit. The defender was able to maintain his rush which forced Carr to step up. That would have been that but Watson failed to block Kruger at all so Carr stepped up into his arms. For the most part though he was square and when he hits, he hits hard. Very physical player that stones DB and LB consistently and has a chance against DE. He is also very attentive to help in pass protection and is aware of who needs help. Some of the pass protection would look like a sieve but DMC would step up to the middle rush and Carr would be able to get the ball out. this happened time and again on their 6 man protections.

He was somewhat featured in the passing game early in the year under Allen. The 5 man protections that empty sets demand were a bad idea with a rookie QB but when they would trot them out they split DMC out wide and had him run routes. It was mostly hitches slants and fades. He gets separation fairly easily but Carr only threw him the ball once. It was a well placed ball over the shoulder on a fade that he clanged off his hands. that was disappointing but I would like to see more with better oline play not leaving the QB out to dry.

Sparano phased that out quickly and for the most part DMC played the conventional checkdown role. He has excellent hands on those passes even when throws are slightly behind. Sparano would also motion him out wide much like Payton and Reid like to do and that did have success either on bubble screens or quick slants which he executed well.

After watching the tape the guy that needs to worry about his role is Dunbar. DMC can do all the things that he could in the passing and outside game, is bigger, stronger and just a fast. He is a much superior blocker.

I am interested to see what he can do behind a competent Oline running the ball though. Leary is comparable to Jackson in skillset but while Jackson is their best Leary is #4. Hanna, Witten, Free and of course Smith are all significantly better blockers that can seal the edges consistently. Fred is one of the most powerful blockers on the nose in the NFL and DMC will see more cutback lanes. In general our guys get push while Oakland does not.

As it stands now, I am very comfortable with McFadden coming in on the third down role. i imagine he will have that locked down as Randle and co are either unreliable or green in pass protection while DMC is ready willing and capable.

As a runner I have significant hopes for him with better blocking but I cannot be sure until it is actually seen. Projections are what they are but I saw his poor running had more to do with poor blocking up front than anything DMC did or did not do.

Thanks for this breakdown. Great read!!!

 

[burmafrd]

He is rumored to be suspended for 4-6 games. I doubt that it would be one year. the team does like two year deals and in that scenario your point is still very valid. I hadn't looked at it like that. interesting.

how are they going to suspend him more than 2 games? Doty already ruled that previous incidents cannot be put under the new policy.

 

[CyberB0b]

One of the best ways to rip someone is to ask questions because a question in and of itself implies uncertainty and doubt.

That isn't the case, at all. Asking questions is one of the primary facets of learning. I don't know why you are taking offense to being questioned. I was just trying to reconcile in my mind why there is a discrepancy between his production and your analysis. I haven't seen the film yet, you have. You answered the questions I had. Thanks.