FWIW Schefter talks T.O. on Dan Patrick show this AM

[DallasEast]

It's different in that Mariucci was able to continue working with Owens despite whatever "strain" there may have been, and he doesn't show any animosity toward him afterwards, so it didn't wear on him to the degree in which Dave alleged.

That was Mariucci's choice. The degree of the strain can be debated, but the strain itself was still very evident between the two men based on his own words. And that strain was primarily due to Owens refusal to accept the appropriate discipline which Mariucci placed on him.

If Jason Garrett runs away, he's an incredibly weak coach. I think that's ultimately the point here.

Interesting.

As a player, Terrell Owens could not tolerate the contract situation in Philadelphia, caused all sorts of nonsense to get himself out of that "untenable" situation, purposefully got himself kicked off the team, made himself available as a free agent as a consequence and ended up in Dallas.

Let's temporarily suspend the notion that he may seek another coaching opportunity elsewhere simply for the betterment of his own career. Let's suggest that, as a coach, Jason Garrett could leave his current position with the Cowboys based on the sole motivation of getting away from what he preceives as nonsense happening here and (most likely) without any fanfare.

You have characterized Garrett as being a "an incredibly weak coach" if he were to leave.

Let's play fill in the blank. Using the following two descriptions only--

• Weak
• Strong

--which one would you choose to complete this sentence?

"If Terrell Owens runs away from Philadelphia, he's an incredibly ______ player."​

 

[Bleu Star]

"If Terrell Owens runs away from Philadelphia, he's an incredibly ______ player."​

smart

 

[DallasEast]

smart

Not one of the choices.

 

[Bleu Star]

Not one of the choices.

Ah well. I tried.

 

[DallasEast]

Ah well. I tried.

 

[JJB500]

Some will watch while others will criticize without clicking at all. Such is life.

[youtube]6_PnxyakpDE[/youtube]

Who threw that ridiculous block at 1:19? Crayton?

6:14: Hark. A Slant! Imagine that! too bad it was in the Pro Bowl and not in our playbook...

Bottom line: The Romo to T.O. connection is a huge part of the formula if we are to sniff a Lombardi with this assembly of talent.

It's amazing what a healthy Romo can do, he looked like a totally different QB!

 

[cowboyjoe]

great vid of T O, thanks

thats what i am trying to tell some of you like DC

this guy can still play, its up to garrett and hopefully now Dan Reeves calling a great game plan, and having the players work hard like T O

just think now if all of the players worked HARD as T O, what they could accomplish

and that involves coach cupcake getting off of his lazy fat rear end, and working too, having all coaches work hard too and instilling that in the players

as well as jerry jones proving what he said in the Ram game, you had better care and you had better give 110 percent, i will find the ones that arent playing

first step, is brad johnson too slow brad and too old brad is still on the team

cut him, or release him

tank johnson whom said i am a free agent baby, and he did nothing last year but talk hot air, cut or release him

greg ellis is either told to shut up and work or he will be traded

patrick crayton is told, shut your mouth, you can talk all the talk you want to on the field, but otherwise, shut up

roy williams whom didnt work out with his teammates last year, and he missed OTAs, he needs to be cut or traded no more excuses

this will send a clear and present danger message to all the other players,

that is what is needed,

 

[Dave_in-NC]

That was Mariucci's choice. The degree of the strain can be debated, but the strain itself was still very evident between the two men based on his own words. And that strain was primarily due to Owens refusal to accept the appropriate discipline which Mariucci placed on him.Interesting.

As a player, Terrell Owens could not tolerate the contract situation in Philadelphia, caused all sorts of nonsense to get himself out of that "untenable" situation, purposefully got himself kicked off the team, made himself available as a free agent as a consequence and ended up in Dallas.

Let's temporarily suspend the notion that he may seek another coaching opportunity elsewhere simply for the betterment of his own career. Let's suggest that, as a coach, Jason Garrett could leave his current position with the Cowboys based on the sole motivation of getting away from what he preceives as nonsense happening here and (most likely) without any fanfare.

You have characterized Garrett as being a "an incredibly weak coach" if he were to leave.

Let's play fill in the blank. Using the following two descriptions only--

• Weak
• Strong

--which one would you choose to complete this sentence?

"If Terrell Owens runs away from Philadelphia, he's an incredibly ______ player."​

oh, oh I know I know.

 

[wileedog]

this guy can still play, its up to garrett and hopefully now Dan Reeves calling a great game plan, and having the players work hard like T O,

Except Reeves has already said we should get rid of TO.

Despite the video's posted by Bleu, which is really mind boggling.

:banjo:

 

[TheDude]

2008

• TO - 69 for 1052, 10 TDs, 15.2 YPC (3 Tds over 52 yds)
• Randy Moss - 69 for 1006, 11 TDs, 14.6YPC
• R Wayne - 82 for 1145, 6 TDs, 14.0YPC (No games w/ B Johnson)
• S Moss - 79 for 1044, 6TDs, 13.2YPC
• Brandon Marshall - 104 for 1265, 6TDs, 12.2 YPC (1 game sup, nO games w/ B Johnson)

Only Megatron, L Fitz and Boldin and Moss had more TDs this year (and none played with B Johnson for 3 games)

Taking away the B Johnson games, TO goes 57 for 952 and 9 TDS for 13 games. Assuming those 3 games Romo would have been QB, the projected stats would be 70 catches for 1172yds and 11 TDs and a 16.7YPC.

Of the 100yd receivers, only Megatron, S Smith and V Jackson would have a better YPC.

In 2007, Owens had a YPC of, guess what,....16.7YPC. He also had no TDs longer than 52yds in 2007 (3 in 2008).


TO's production fell off VERY little in my opinion

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Some will watch while others will criticize without clicking at all. Such is life.

[youtube]6_PnxyakpDE[/youtube]

Who threw that ridiculous block at 1:19? Crayton?

6:14: Hark. A Slant! Imagine that! too bad it was in the Pro Bowl and not in our playbook...

Bottom line: The Romo to T.O. connection is a huge part of the formula if we are to sniff a Lombardi with this assembly of talent.

I dont know man... I see ALOT of "lost steps" in there....

 

[DuaneThomas71]

That was Mariucci's choice. The degree of the strain can be debated, but the strain itself was still very evident between the two men based on his own words. And that strain was primarily due to Owens refusal to accept the appropriate discipline which Mariucci placed on him.Interesting.

As a player, Terrell Owens could not tolerate the contract situation in Philadelphia, caused all sorts of nonsense to get himself out of that "untenable" situation, purposefully got himself kicked off the team, made himself available as a free agent as a consequence and ended up in Dallas.

Let's temporarily suspend the notion that he may seek another coaching opportunity elsewhere simply for the betterment of his own career. Let's suggest that, as a coach, Jason Garrett could leave his current position with the Cowboys based on the sole motivation of getting away from what he preceives as nonsense happening here and (most likely) without any fanfare.

You have characterized Garrett as being a "an incredibly weak coach" if he were to leave.

Let's play fill in the blank. Using the following two descriptions only--

• Weak
• Strong

--which one would you choose to complete this sentence?

"If Terrell Owens runs away from Philadelphia, he's an incredibly ______ player."​

I'd say it was excessive punishment. He celebrated a touchdown by going to the middle of the field. Fine? Certainly. Suspension? Absolutely not. That's overboard. He wasn't even ejected from the game and you're going to suspend him for something so innocuous?

Bill Romanowski was merely fined for spitting in the face of J.J. Stokes (Mooch was coaching Stokes when that happened), but you're going to suspend Owens for standing on a logo?

Everything's ***-backwards in the NFL. We lambaste players for touchdown celebrations and comments but all-but-ignore the numerous crimes, we focus more on media perceptions and various intangible elements than actual performance on the football field, and we evaluate individuals based on team performance.

As far as your example is concerned, it's an incompatible comparison. I would not take issue with Jason Garrett leaving in the midst of a contract dispute (which is why Owens forged his way out). If Owens had instead left because he felt like he couldn't handle a strained relationship with one of the coaches or players, then he'd be a weak-minded player.

 

[cowboyjoe]

now i will admit T O is getting older and he doesnt have the great super speed he once had, but at same time, he still can get open

Now, I did raise this question, what could the cowboys get for T O if you traded him? I got blasted for that too.

I didnt say trade him, but what if the cowboys did trade him come draft time?

To me, you still could get value, think of it this way.

What did most teams put on T O in coverage, 2 players, one on top of him in press coverage and a safety on top. That means teams still fear him and T O can still get deep if you put one player on him, he proved that in the 49er game.

Other thing you had better think about, what teams would T O might be interested in, and what teams would really want T O?

First Giants, you saw how they suffered with Plexico. Next, Patriots but I doubt it since they have Randy Moss. Next playoff teams are cardinals, no they have WRS, eagles definite no, they have young Jackson, Ravens, now there is a possibility, remember at one time they tried to trade for T O.

How about a swap in trade of T O for Ray Lewis? just giving examples.

I do think T O has trade value, im for getting something if you can, maybe you can lessen that cap hit too instead of cutting him, because if you do cut or release T O, 9,6 million dollars in cap hit.

That means some more players on the cowboys have to be released, in reality we cant afford that.

Now, can Reeves control T O, thats the big issue, and Reeves is a no nonsense coach. I look at it this way, Reeves and the Cowboys put up with Duane Thomas when he took them to the superbowl.


My point being, there is alot more problems on this team besides T O. First we have the rat or mole that is leaking info to the media like Ed Werder. Thats the first thing Dan Reeves must fix to my way of thinking, find the mole, and get rid of him, whomever he is. Second, have discipline on this team.

For Reeves to show Jerry Jones you have to have discipline on this team and in the lockerroom. You have to have hitting and hard practices in OTAs and training camp like Tom Landry did and Jimmy Johnson did.

Next, get Reeves to be a mentor to Jason Garrett and help Garrett like Sparano did in 2007.

Then obviously, let Brad Johnson whom cant throw go, get a good backup QB, let Tank Johnson go, Roy Williams if he doesnt take a big pay cut, most likely you might be able to trade roy willams the safety.

Do these things and i think you will be on the right track, its not just T O's fault.

 

[TheDude]

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80af8cba

Nice video and analysis.

The difference in GB was that Romo found Witten and Austin and barber and Jones ran for over 200yds.

In Wash, Barber ran for 26 and Jones ran for 0-0.

Washington played the same way in the second meeting. However, Barber ran predominantly on the edges for over 120yds.

Be careful what you wish for....TO does change the game

 

[DallasEast]

I'd say it was excessive punishment. He celebrated a touchdown by going to the middle of the field. Fine? Certainly. Suspension? Absolutely not. That's overboard. He wasn't even ejected from the game and you're going to suspend him for something so innocuous?

Bill Romanowski was merely fined for spitting in the face of J.J. Stokes (Mooch was coaching Stokes when that happened), but you're going to suspend Owens for standing on a logo?

Everything's ***-backwards in the NFL. We lambaste players for touchdown celebrations and comments but all-but-ignore the numerous crimes, we focus more on media perceptions and various intangible elements than actual performance on the football field, and we evaluate individuals based on team performance.

As far as your example is concerned, it's an incompatible comparison. I would not take issue with Jason Garrett leaving in the midst of a contract dispute (which is why Owens forged his way out). If Owens had instead left because he felt like he couldn't handle a strained relationship with one of the coaches or players, then he'd be a weak-minded player.

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[Beast_from_East]

Wasn't implying there was no flexibility to signing Ware, just that you would lose some.

Romo and Davis just tweaked their deal to sign Barber, T.O., and Hamlin last year. I guess they could tweak Barber and Hamlin's deal, but I wonder if that's something the org really wants to do considering both had somewhat of a down year.

Exactly.

I remember reading somewhere that this is like the 3rd time Romo has reworked his contract to get other players signed. I bet most of Romo's contract is now guaranteed.

That is what is so dumb about people posting that we need to replace Romo and get a "real QB", they apparently dont understand the business side of the NFL.

With most of his $67 million contract guaranteed, Romo plays. Performance doesnt matter at this point when you are talking about this much money being guaranteed to a player.

People just dont realize that you cant release or trade a player making that much guaranteed money without a massive cap hit and also that you cant have a backup making that type of coin.

So we cant release Romo, we cant trade Romo, and we cant bench Romo..........doesnt matter if he throws 5 picks a game, he is the starter because of the contract he has. That is why there are consequences to giving the wrong player guaranteed money.