FWST Galloway: The Jimster states his case on T.O.

[MissionCoach]

This is a different NFL then the one the Jimster Coached in when he was with the Cowboys. Most, if not all, NFL Teams can turn it around from one year to the next...That being said, the old adage of being one player away, really does not apply any longer (I believe an article was recently posted that stated this very same theory)

My own personal theory is this...while JJ is a proven gambler...I don't believe the same can be said of BP...If this deal does go down, I truly believe that BP will have all bases covered. I also believe that if any Coach can handle TO, it is DEFINITELY Parcells.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

really? the patriots seemed to have built it up with a team approach and showed the world that a team concept DOES matter. is this the "win now" you're talking of?

dynasties got harder true. but having values and respect are still the core to winning in the end.

You give me Tom Brady or Ben Rothlisberger or Peyton Manning and we would be a winner.

Take Brady off the Pats and see how far your "team concept" gets you. Belichik is the same coach he was in Cleveland and the same coach his first few years with the Pats BEFORE Brady arrived. Check his record.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I think some of you are overstating and overcriticizing Parcells' "win today" approach.

Sure, he's doing that. We see that with Bledsoe, Owens, (if he comes), etc.
But the fact is, that is today's NFL. It is a win now proposition and Parcells isn't above that. His big, fat butt will be fired from his $5+ million a year job if he doesn't WIN! This isn't the NFL of the '70s that I loved and grew up with. The league changes year to year.

BUT, at the same time, Parcells has almost single handedly rebuilt the franchise and given it a foundation for the future that Jerry almost single- handedly destroyed with help from guys like Lacewell and Campo.

Parcells restructured the scouting dept. That's a move that is for the Cowboy's future, not just Parcells' immediate need. He's helped us obtain some real foundation stones for the franchise in guys like Witten, Ware, Spears, Canty, Newman, Julius, Barber, etc. etc. Sure he's missed on some, like Rogers, but ANY talent evaluator misses on players. Jimmy missed on a bunch of them! What would you guys do if Parcells had chosen John Avery ,(now of CFL glory), as our first round pick?!

But to me, (and I know I see this differently than some of you), I think Parcells BEST example of trying to help the future of the Cowboys is his handling of Drew Henson.

I just saw the piece on Henson last night on NFL Network. Henson said that he agreed with Key who told him that Parcells is the absolute BEST HC to come into the league and play for because he is the best at PREPARING a young player to play in the NFL.

That is exactly what Parcells has been doing for 2 years with Henson. I'm a huge Henson fan, and we can argue about him all we want, but he was no where near ready to play in the NFL when he came to us! Forget last pre-season. I watched him his first pre-season in the Monday night game against the Chiefs. Everyone was bragging on how great he looked. Well, he came in that game and it was one of the worst QB performances I have ever witnessed in almost 40 years of watching the Cowboys. Henson couldn't even throw a pass with proper mechanics. It was embarrassing and I was so disappointed!

I firmly believe his confidence would have been destroyed if Jerry would have had his way and played him over an extended period of time. Parcells is handling Henson the way he is because that's what he believes is best for Henson and the franchise and gives both of them the best opportunity to succeed in the long run.

Parcells doesn't hate Henson, he is trying to NUTURE and DEVELOP a young QB and not ruin him by playing him before he is capable of handling the responsibility.

I truly believe Henson can do it. I loved the interview last night. But, if he does it (and that's a big "if" right now), he can thank Parcells for not throwing him to the wolves like Jerry and a lot of fans wanted him to do and destroying him.

Your bring up some very good thoughts about Henson and how BP is getting him ready for the NFL.....nice post.

 

[iceberg]

You give me Tom Brady or Ben Rothlisberger or Peyton Manning and we would be a winner.

Take Brady off the Pats and see how far your "team concept" gets you. Belichik is the same coach he was in Cleveland and the same coach his first few years with the Pats BEFORE Brady arrived. Check his record.

take ANY starting qb away from a team and you do in fact take away usually how the team is built. is this a revalation for you or just a very bad counter-argument?

when the pats 1st came out to win their 1st superbowl, they did a TEAM announcement, not 1 by 1 didn't they?

but i do agree bledsoe won't get us there, which is why this next year is going to be painful to watch.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Here's the problem for me....and btw, has been the problem for me since Parcells has arrived...the franchise is being run as if it's life is the same as Parcells...when he is long gone, the Cowboys will still be in existence...so yeah, great, Parcells should take a run at Owens since he's at the end of his career...but the COWBOYS are not at the end.

I don't share your viewpoint on Parcells, look at how young our roster is, you don't win championships with rosters this young, so I can't believe that Parcells is trying to win now, and is sacrificing the future of the organization in doing so, but not to say I don't think he's trying to win now, he is, but he very much has the future in mind...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

JakeCamp12 and Juke,

I think both of you are all wet on this. You folks see a different NFL than I do. In today's NFL, ALL TEAMS HAVE HOLES. In a cap limited free agency era, no one can really build a long term winner without constantly rotating players in and out. It means that every year teams can come from nowhere to make a run into the playoffs and the Super Bowl.

I'm not saying the Cowboys don't have holes. They do. I wanted them chasing a kicker frorm day one. I hope the have a plan. But to say that signing one of the best WR's in footabll is a bad idea and short term thinking is simply not seeing things as they are. The Cowboys have cap room and if they sign TO they are a better team today than they were yesterday. They can still try to fix the other problems, but the fact will remain they will be a better team. And they can still draft a WR for the future.

TO is the southbound end of a northbound horse. I chortled with every blast out of his mouth last year and as the Eagles decided to professionally shoot him in the head. But the Eagles understood the threat he represented when Jerry talked about him late last year. If it had been Joe Schmoe they wouldn't have immediately filed tampering charges, trust me.

I understand your concerns. I just don't agree.

 

[Ashwynn]

I am rapidly coming to the conclussion Parcells tenure here is a failure.

He certainly wont leave the boys in a better position then when he came.

We may have 1 more trophy. chances are we wont, but we wont have a shot at any trophies for a few years after this debacle.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I am rapidly coming to the conclussion Parcells tenure here is a failure.

He certainly wont leave the boys in a better position then when he came.

We may have 1 more trophy. chances are we wont, but we wont have a shot at any trophies for a few years after this debacle.

the talent on this team is much better than before Parcells came here

 

[Jarv]

This is a different NFL then the one the Jimster Coached in when he was with the Cowboys. Most, if not all, NFL Teams can turn it around from one year to the next...That being said, the old adage of being one player away, really does not apply any longer (I believe an article was recently posted that stated this very same theory)

My own personal theory is this...while JJ is a proven gambler...I don't believe the same can be said of BP...If this deal does go down, I truly believe that BP will have all bases covered. I also believe that if any Coach can handle TO, it is DEFINITELY Parcells.

Well, I guess we are not one of them, this will be our 4th under BP.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

take ANY starting qb away from a team and you do in fact take away usually how the team is built. is this a revalation for you or just a very bad counter-argument?

when the pats 1st came out to win their 1st superbowl, they did a TEAM announcement, not 1 by 1 didn't they?

but i do agree bledsoe won't get us there, which is why this next year is going to be painful to watch.

With all due respect, please get rid of the attitude if you want to discuss something. You sound like an 18 year old kid with an attittude.

Please go back and read my original post and ask yourself how your response had ANYTHING to do with my post? I was talking about a "Win Now" versus "Long-Term" approach, (which was the original point of Juke's post), and you came back with a "Team Concept" discussion/response to my post.

I wasn't even discussing that point.

We don't disagree on that point. I totally agree with the "Team Concept" of building a team. Parcells has done that, since he's been here. Signing Owens may seem to us as if it's against that theory, but Parcells has signed and developed malcontents every where he's coached. Owens just happens to be his BIGGEST test.

As for the Pats and their team concept, I'm sure that's why they signed Corey Dillon a couple years ago, huh? We all know what a "TEAM" guy he was in Cincy.

Face it. There is not a HC in the NFL that wouldn't sign the Devil himself to play WR if he thought he would help him win.

That's the point. All those other coaches don't think T.O. will help them win because of the off-the-field issues. That's why they aren't interested.

But, Parcells is the master at handling troublemakers. We will see how it all turns out.

 

[iceberg]

I also believe that if any Coach can handle TO, it is DEFINITELY Parcells.

so the same coach who has no time to develop a young qb (his words, not mine) has time for the drama around TO?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

so the same coach who has no time to develop a young qb (his words, not mine) has time for the drama around TO?

he meant that by not having the time to develop a young QB on the field, and obviously Parcells does have the time, or TO to Dallas would never enter the equation

 

[maxsports]

Juke...truer words have never been spoken. I only hope that after BP leaves, and Owens has burned down Texas Stadium, there will be a few ashes left to build on...

Thank goodness we have a new stadium coming!!!

 

[DallasInDC]

Can't argue with anything Jimmy said...all of it's on the nosey....and from a guy who has a world of experience.

Here's the problem for me....and btw, has been the problem for me since Parcells has arrived...the franchise is being run as if it's life is the same as Parcells...when he is long gone, the Cowboys will still be in existence...so yeah, great, Parcells should take a run at Owens since he's at the end of his career...but the COWBOYS are not at the end.
Rather than Jerry saying "Hey, sorry. I'm not going to jeopardize this franchise by allowing decisions to be made that are self serving." his ego gets in the way and the lure of winning another championship (which is a farce because this team has too many holes, even with Owens) over rides what should be, better judgement. That's the key to what Jimmy said. Haley was the missing component. Owens ain't. Owens is as much the missing component as Joey Galloway was. And we saw how that bad decision cost us dearly.

Jerry has ALWAYS been about the quick fix. Jerry is the guy we see on the highway, cutting in and out of lanes, only to arrive at the exit at the same time as you.

People here think I hate Parcells. I don't. I hate his approach. I've suspected he makes decisions that are based on the time HE has left in the game, e.g. not wanting to develop a young QB. I've said a zillion times, this isn't the same Parcells I followed closely in NY for years. He's a coach who is now making decisions based on how much time HE has left.

This Owens thing, if it comes to pass, is the most clear cut evidence of this...and personally, I don't like it.

I'm going to have to disagree with you here Juke.

Since he's been here he has put together a very formidable young defense with an avg age of 26.4 yrs and exp of 4 yrs. Only 4 players on the defense are over 30 yrs old - Als (31), Ellis (31), Ferguson (32) and AGlenn (34). The defense is filled with young emerging stars (less than 5 yrs exp) including Ware, Tnew, Canty, Spears, Burnette, James. Solid vets (5-8 yrs exp) including RW, Akin, AHenry. We are only a FS and OLB away from having a dominating defense for years to come. After the completion of FA and the Draft when these holes are filled, this group will be younger and better.

On Offense, there are only 5 players over 30 - LA (35), DB (34) Flozell (31), Riveria (34) and TGlenn (32). Considering LA and Flozell were before parcell's you really can't blame BP. Parcell's has tried, although it appears unsuccessful at this time, to rebuild the entire offensive line with youth (Jacobs-T, Peterman-G, Johnson-C, Gurode G, Petiti-T). He has also upgraded the RB and TE position's with youth. The only positions that have not been dealt with through the draft is QB and WR. DB is still a top 10-15 QB and the jury is still out on Henson/Romo. But it sounds like Henson maybe starting to get it and Romo will most likey develop into a solid backup a la Garrett. The WR position needs to be addressed with youth AB was an attempt at this and Crayton has shown some potential. Overall, the average age of the Offense is 27 yrs old with 4.8 yrs of experience.

This team does not reflect a Coach who has sacrificed the future for a win now attitude. I believe alot of the older FA acquisitions that have been made since BP has been here are a result of stop gap actions due to the SERIOUS lack of talent on this team prior to Bill coming on board and his wanting to be competitive and instill the right winning attitude with the younger players as we rebuild.

With respect to the TO decision, There is no other coach in the NFL That has successfully dealt with as many Egotistical me, me, me players than Parcells. If there is a coach that I would choose to handle this situation, it would be parcells. TO is arguably the best wr in the league and can be a crucial key to getting to the next level. I think TO will have something to prove and with the best QB TO will have played with, I think he will be fine hear (as long as JJ compensates him well). He knows that if he can't make it hear he really has no more options - just look at the lack of interest he received during a year of large cap availability. the TO decision has the potential of being one of Jerry's biggest signings since Deion and Haley.

 

[kartr]

Can't argue with anything Jimmy said...all of it's on the nosey....and from a guy who has a world of experience.

Here's the problem for me....and btw, has been the problem for me since Parcells has arrived...the franchise is being run as if it's life is the same as Parcells...when he is long gone, the Cowboys will still be in existence...so yeah, great, Parcells should take a run at Owens since he's at the end of his career...but the COWBOYS are not at the end.

Rather than Jerry saying "Hey, sorry. I'm not going to jeopardize this franchise by allowing decisions to be made that are self serving." his ego gets in the way and the lure of winning another championship (which is a farce because this team has too many holes, even with Owens) over rides what should be, better judgement. That's the key to what Jimmy said. Haley was the missing component. Owens ain't. Owens is as much the missing component as Joey Galloway was. And we saw how that bad decision cost us dearly.

Jerry has ALWAYS been about the quick fix. Jerry is the guy we see on the highway, cutting in and out of lanes, only to arrive at the exit at the same time as you.

People here think I hate Parcells. I don't. I hate his approach. I've suspected he makes decisions that are based on the time HE has left in the game, e.g. not wanting to develop a young QB. I've said a zillion times, this isn't the same Parcells I followed closely in NY for years. He's a coach who is now making decisions based on how much time HE has left.

This Owens thing, if it comes to pass, is the most clear cut evidence of this...and personally, I don't like it.

Bravo! Great Post! I couldn't agree more. I say no to TO, trade Bledsoe for a pick and draft Omar Jacobs as our qb of the future and move forward.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm going to have to disagree with you here Juke.

Since he's been here he has put together a very formidable young defense with an avg age of 26.4 yrs and exp of 4 yrs. Only 4 players on the defense are over 30 yrs old - Als (31), Ellis (31), Ferguson (32) and AGlenn (34). The defense is filled with young emerging stars (less than 5 yrs exp) including Ware, Tnew, Canty, Spears, Burnette, James. Solid vets (5-8 yrs exp) including RW, Akin, AHenry. We are only a FS and OLB away from having a dominating defense for years to come. After the completion of FA and the Draft when these holes are filled, this group will be younger and better.

On Offense, there are only 5 players over 30 - LA (35), DB (34) Flozell (31), Riveria (34) and TGlenn (32). Considering LA and Flozell were before parcell's you really can't blame BP. Parcell's has tried, although it appears unsuccessful at this time, to rebuild the entire offensive line with youth (Jacobs-T, Peterman-G, Johnson-C, Gurode G, Petiti-T). He has also upgraded the RB and TE position's with youth. The only positions that have not been dealt with through the draft is QB and WR. DB is still a top 10-15 QB and the jury is still out on Henson/Romo. But it sounds like Henson maybe starting to get it and Romo will most likey develop into a solid backup a la Garrett. The WR position needs to be addressed with youth AB was an attempt at this and Crayton has shown some potential. Overall, the average age of the Offense is 27 yrs old with 4.8 yrs of experience.

This team does not reflect a Coach who has sacrificed the future for a win now attitude. I believe alot of the older FA acquisitions that have been made since BP has been here are a result of stop gap actions due to the SERIOUS lack of talent on this team prior to Bill coming on board and his wanting to be competitive and instill the right winning attitude with the younger players as we rebuild.

With respect to the TO decision, There is no other coach in the NFL That has successfully dealt with as many Egotistical me, me, me players than Parcells. If there is a coach that I would choose to handle this situation, it would be parcells. TO is arguably the best wr in the league and can be a crucial key to getting to the next level. I think TO will have something to prove and with the best QB TO will have played with, I think he will be fine hear (as long as JJ compensates him well). He knows that if he can't make it hear he really has no more options - just look at the lack of interest he received during a year of large cap availability. the TO decision has the potential of being one of Jerry's biggest signings since Deion and Haley.

 

[kartr]

I've always liked Parcells...truly admired the way he has coached...but as I've said, this isn't the same guy and it's because he's making decisions based on the fact that he's almost done with is career...and I am beyond sure that it's with Jerry's approval.

The really scarey thing about Jerry to me is, despite being a smart man, he doesn't know the difference between a good move and a bad one after owning this team for over 15 years. That's why I think we need a real GM.

 

[iceberg]

I'm going to have to disagree with you here Juke.

Since he's been here he has put together a very formidable young defense with an avg age of 26.4 yrs and exp of 4 yrs. Only 4 players on the defense are over 30 yrs old - Als (31), Ellis (31), Ferguson (32) and AGlenn (34). The defense is filled with young emerging stars (less than 5 yrs exp) including Ware, Tnew, Canty, Spears, Burnette, James. Solid vets (5-8 yrs exp) including RW, Akin, AHenry. We are only a FS and OLB away from having a dominating defense for years to come. After the completion of FA and the Draft when these holes are filled, this group will be younger and better.

On Offense, there are only 5 players over 30 - LA (35), DB (34) Flozell (31), Riveria (34) and TGlenn (32). Considering LA and Flozell were before parcell's you really can't blame BP. Parcell's has tried, although it appears unsuccessful at this time, to rebuild the entire offensive line with youth (Jacobs-T, Peterman-G, Johnson-C, Gurode G, Petiti-T). He has also upgraded the RB and TE position's with youth. The only positions that have not been dealt with through the draft is QB and WR. DB is still a top 10-15 QB and the jury is still out on Henson/Romo. But it sounds like Henson maybe starting to get it and Romo will most likey develop into a solid backup a la Garrett. The WR position needs to be addressed with youth AB was an attempt at this and Crayton has shown some potential. Overall, the average age of the Offense is 27 yrs old with 4.8 yrs of experience.

This team does not reflect a Coach who has sacrificed the future for a win now attitude. I believe alot of the older FA acquisitions that have been made since BP has been here are a result of stop gap actions due to the SERIOUS lack of talent on this team prior to Bill coming on board and his wanting to be competitive and instill the right winning attitude with the younger players as we rebuild.

With respect to the TO decision, There is no other coach in the NFL That has successfully dealt with as many Egotistical me, me, me players than Parcells. If there is a coach that I would choose to handle this situation, it would be parcells. TO is arguably the best wr in the league and can be a crucial key to getting to the next level. I think TO will have something to prove and with the best QB TO will have played with, I think he will be fine hear (as long as JJ compensates him well). He knows that if he can't make it hear he really has no more options - just look at the lack of interest he received during a year of large cap availability. the TO decision has the potential of being one of Jerry's biggest signings since Deion and Haley.

we had a formidable defense before he got here, didn't we?

and while TO does have that potential to be that big a signing, the risk is just as great it will be his worst. the TO supporters refuse to acknowlege that part and seem to keep themselves warm in the I WANNA WIN DAMN IT mantra.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Bravo! Great Post! I couldn't agree more. I say no to TO, trade Bledsoe for a pick and draft Omar Jacobs as our qb of the future and move forward.

You guys TOTALLY ignore the fact that a coach has to win NOW in today's NFL.
The only exception is if you are playing a rookie QB who was taken high and is projected as the franchise. But even then, you can get your butt fired. Ask Chris Palmer or Dom Capers.

Parcells isn't above that at all. He himself said he's on the high wire every Sunday. It's easy for us to sit back and say he should play a QB who is TOTALLY unprepared to play QB in the NFL, but it isn't our butt that gets fired when we have a losing record.

You bring Omar Jacobs in here next year and put him at QB and you are looking at a top 3-5 pick in the 2007 draft. That's crazy.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

we had a formidable defense before he got here, didn't we?

you can't be serious