FWST: RICK HERRIN: LaFleur is proof draft is a gamble

[ZeroClub]

There is no "treatment" for keeping disks from herniating. Having the guy come back from one is remarkable in itself... I'd never expect anyone to come back from two hence that's why Rivera isn't expect back by anyone.

By treatment, I meant injections of pain killers and/or surgery to address the back problems.

Aikman had both of these forms of treatment while he was coping with his own herniated disk.

One of the things that is interesting about Aikman's comment on LaFleur is that Aikman suffered back problems that were somewhat similar to LaFleur's.

 

[dfense]

Some of that's a crock. I remember the Cowboys holding a vigil hoping that Gonzalez fell to them. I think they even tried in vein to move up. LaFluar was a consolation prize and a need reach after they lost Novacek.

 

[JakeCamp12]

Another example of a team drafting for need instead of the BPA and also overpaying for him. A fifth and a third for outway the value to move 3 slots.

Everyone gets enamoured by the trade value chart but as we can see it is only a tool and if a team really wants to move up for someone or wants a certain player, they many times overpay according to the draft chart for it.

Couldn't agree more....when you are desperate and drafting for need, you get burned..... stick to your board and always draft the BPA. Jerry the gambler always scares me on draft day, he too often gets to cute and then we pay for the next few years...

 

[Doomsday101]

Couldn't agree more....when you are desperate and drafting for need, you get burned..... stick to your board and always draft the BPA. Jerry the gambler always scares me on draft day, he too often gets to cute and then we pay for the next few years...

To an extent I agree but I also think need should be taken into account when making your pick. Dallas needed a CB the year we drafted Newman, Dallas needed to bring in a pass rusher the when we drafted Ware so taking need into account is done by almost every team out there. This year our needs are a lot less and our options are more wide open, however a position like TE would be a waste of a pick in the 1st rd when we are in great shape at that position.

 

[AbeBeta]

Some of that's a crock. I remember the Cowboys holding a vigil hoping that Gonzalez fell to them. I think they even tried in vein to move up. LaFluar was a consolation prize and a need reach after they lost Novacek.

That's correct.

Jerry said several times that the cost for moving up to get Gonzo was too high. And we really needed those picks to get Scrifes, Wheaton, and Macey Brooks.

Coakley was the only good pick that draft -- and I refuse to give Jerry credit for finding little LBs who fit Jimmy's D.

 

[AbeBeta]

To an extent I agree but I also think need should be taken into account when making your pick. Dallas needed a CB the year we drafted Newman, Dallas needed to bring in a pass rusher the when we drafted Ware so taking need into account is done by almost every team out there.

Yeah -- but when we took TNew and Ware, they were the first guys off the board at their position. So that is more about your needs matching the value

 

[chicago JK]

That's correct.

Jerry said several times that the cost for moving up to get Gonzo was too high. And we really needed those picks to get Scrifes, Wheaton, and Macey Brooks.

Coakley was the only good pick that draft -- and I refuse to give Jerry credit for finding little LBs who fit Jimmy's D.

In addition, Jerry was crowing that Coakley was the guy Jimmy really wanted to draft in Miami. I believe instead Jimmy had to settle for Jason Taylor.

Jimmy had some duds in the draft in Miami (as everyone does) but he still found guys like Taylor, Madison, Surtain, Zach Thomas, Daryl Gardner, etc. Just imagine if you put those guys in that Dallas defense after their super Bowl run.

It certainly beats drafting for special team players

 

[Doomsday101]

Yeah -- but when we took TNew and Ware, they were the first guys off the board at their position. So that is more about your needs matching the value

Granted all I'm saying is every team out there takes need into account, that does not mean you reach for a player strictly based on need but if on your board you have graded out say 2 or 3 players fairly equal and 1 of those guys represents a need then a team is more apt to take the player who grades high and fills a need.

 

[Idgit]

...Jimmy had some duds in the draft in Miami (as everyone does) but he still found guys like Taylor, Madison, Surtain, Zach Thomas, Daryl Gardner, etc. Just imagine if you put those guys in that Dallas defense after their super Bowl run.

It certainly beats drafting for special team players

Somehow, the nauseating thought of what our defense would have looked like with the Miami draft had never occurred to me.

JK, where do I send you the bill for replacing the keyboard I just threw up a little bit on?

 

[L-O-Jete]

In addition, Jerry was crowing that Coakley was the guy Jimmy really wanted to draft in Miami. I believe instead Jimmy had to settle for Jason Taylor.

Jimmy had some duds in the draft in Miami (as everyone does) but he still found guys like Taylor, Madison, Surtain, Zach Thomas, Daryl Gardner, etc. Just imagine if you put those guys in that Dallas defense after their super Bowl run.

It certainly beats drafting for special team players

Taylor was drafted waaaayy before Coakley IIRC.
Jimmah could draft D like all get out, but was clueless on O, if he had had his way we wouldn't have had Troy or Emmitt.

 

[AbeBeta]

Taylor was drafted waaaayy before Coakley IIRC.

Taylor went 8 picks after Coakley.

 

[L-O-Jete]

Taylor went 8 picks after Coakley.

Wow I guess IRI...:

 

[CoCo]

I would venture and say it's probably the worst decision the team ever made.

Worse than passing up Joe Montana to draft Doug Cosbie? No disrespect intended Doug.

Worse than deciding to release Jimmy Smith? Worse than the decision to draft Billy Cannon who'd never play a single down?

Yeah, the Galloway deal didn't pan out, in part because Aikman soon fell apart physically and finding a suitable replacement took forever (knock on wood).

In the end it was Galloway for Shaun Alexander (given how Koren Robinson flamed out). Alexander is certainly a top RB today but if Galloway for Alexander is the worst decision the Cowboys ever made we should consider ourselves very, very, lucky.

 

[BLT]

god i need lacewells picture so if i see him in our war rooom i can go to the draft and kick his *** before he ruins our draft

 

[joseephuss]

Worse than passing up Joe Montana to draft Doug Cosbie? No disrespect intended Doug.

Worse than deciding to release Jimmy Smith? Worse than the decision to draft Billy Cannon who'd never play a single down?

Yeah, the Galloway deal didn't pan out, in part because Aikman soon fell apart physically and finding a suitable replacement took forever (knock on wood).

In the end it was Galloway for Shaun Alexander (given how Koren Robinson flamed out). Alexander is certainly a top RB today but if Galloway for Alexander is the worst decision the Cowboys ever made we should consider ourselves very, very, lucky.

Even if the Cowboys did not make the trade for Galloway, they would not have used the draft picks to take the same players the Seahawks did. They probably would have drafted some other bust.

 

[chicago JK]

Even if the Cowboys did not make the trade for Galloway, they would not have used the draft picks to take the same players the Seahawks did. They probably would have drafted some other bust.

True, Jerry probably would have used one of those firsts on Quincy Carter

 

[arglebargle]

By treatment, I meant injections of pain killers and/or surgery to address the back problems.

Aikman had both of these forms of treatment while he was coping with his own herniated disk.

One of the things that is interesting about Aikman's comment on LaFleur is that Aikman suffered back problems that were somewhat similar to LaFleur's.

Aikman can't sit down through an entire NFL game now, his back is so tricky. He has to stand up for some of the broadcast due to the injury. I can't fault someone for wanting to maintain their health. As someone who had a milder back injury, it took over a year to get back to some semblance of normalcy, and that was with no physical exertion. And back surgery is not a panacea.

Still, with pre-draft knowledge of the back issue, LaFleur was a risky pick, and surely didn't need a trade up.

 

[burmafrd]

You read the story now and look how bad Lefleurs back is. Imagine what it would have been like if he had tried to play longer.

 

[Teague31]

shante carver is the biggest bust ever.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

shante carver is the biggest bust ever.

Then you aren't familiar with the history of 1st round draft picks of the Dallas Cowboys.