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InmanRoshi;2584096 said:
I"m not venting. I do get rather angry when I remember the 5 years aimlessly wandering the QB desert looking for Troy's successor, then think about the miracle that fell into our laps in an undrafted free agent ... and then to have it all ruined because we we're playing amateur hour with our offensive coordinator, who's strongest supporters even admit he was "learning" (aka "didn't know what he hecks he's doing") last year.

I would expect someone who crows the loudest about being a "real Cowboy fans" would be the most outraged that their being treated like the NFL's junior college for unqualified coaches.

I didn't understand several of the things the offense did last year. From that respect, it sure seemed me that Garrett struggling along with everyone else.

But I have wondered if Garrett had some excuses. I'm not just talking about the injuries because those happen to a lot of teams. I'm talking about trying to be a ringleader for the circus on that side of the ball...

I just think it's more than coincidence that Garrett suddenly stopped looking like a great young coach about the same time that Tony looked like he stopped having fun playing and about the same time that a certain receiver started demanding the ball and complaining about not being the guy who calls the plays or throws the ball.

I really believe that having TO on your team makes it hard to judge a lot of things. That guy muddies the water that much, in my opinion. I'd hate to have to coach him. I'd hate to have to compete with him for the attention and respect of the locker room. I'd hate to have to worry about pacifying him instead of running the gameplan that I think would be most successful. And most of all, I'd hate to think that I couldn't even say anything to the guy because he might blow up everything.
 

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ddh33;2584110 said:
I didn't understand several of the things the offense did last year. From that respect, it sure seemed me that Garrett struggling along with everyone else.

But I have wondered if Garrett had some excuses. I'm not just talking about the injuries because those happen to a lot of teams. I'm talking about trying to be a ringleader for the circus on that side of the ball...

I just think it's more than coincidence that Garrett suddenly stopped looking like a great young coach about the same time that Tony looked like he stopped having fun playing and about the same time that a certain receiver started demanding the ball and complaining about not being the guy who calls the plays or throws the ball.

I really believe that having TO on your team makes it hard to judge a lot of things. That guy muddies the water that much, in my opinion. I'd hate to have to coach him. I'd hate to have to compete with him for the attention and respect of the locker room. I'd hate to have to worry about pacifying him instead of running the gameplan that I think would be most successful. And most of all, I'd hate to think that I couldn't even say anything to the guy because he might blow up everything.

I'd almost give him a pass on the complete leadership issue despite the fact that his unit complete fractured and splintered up into cliques. You and I share the same opinion on TO.



Here's what kills me. You got a QB that is beaten up all to hell in December. You're facing the best blitzing teams in the NFL in the Ravens, Steelers and Eagles ... and he just stubbornly insists on 5-7 drops with WR's running 30 yards down the field. And sometimes in crazy weather conditions. It's absolutely unbelievable. Romo is having a hard time even getting up off the ground, and Garrett still insists on these slow developing, long drop, vertical passing game throughout the entire game when the Ravens/Eagles are sending the house on every snap. It's like he's surprised and astonished that somehow the Ravens and Steelers are great blitzing teams, like it's just a mirage, and if he just keeps going to the well over and over again thinking eventually it will work. No wonder Romo called him out at the end of the year, Garrett nearly ended his career with this kind of ... bull-headness/stupidity/what-have-you. That had nothing to do with TO. Completely ignoring Felix Jones had nothing to do with TO. Abandoning the running game at the first sign of tough sledding had nothing to do with TO. There's a whole laundry list of issues that had nothing to do with TO. Where are the roll outs and bootlegs that Romo was so deadly with under Sparano? It's like they disappeared off the face of the earth. Is he going to keep insisting to hammer this Romo shaped peg into an Aikman shaped hole of an offense? When you're talking about the future of a young Pro Bowl caliber QB hanging in the balance, the stakes couldn't be higher.

The best I can hope for is that some of the air has been deflated from his balloon and he's been humbled and he figured out this year he's not the Boy Genius, and goes back to a power running offense. Or maybe since Jerry obviously was prepared to go with Wade at the cost of letting Garrett walk he's given Wade the power to slap Garrett upside the head and tell him we're going with a power running offense instead of Arena Football to show off to everyone how smart he is.
 

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Go Inman go.. someone has to say it..

Its absurd what the expectations for this franchise have become.

We should be elite at every position on this staff. Coaches should be fighting to get to Dallas, the reputation , the exposure, the new stadium etc..

Instead its the Phillips, Campos, and 'still learning' Garretts that run the show.

Good Lord.
 

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InmanRoshi;2584125 said:
I'd almost give him a pass on the complete leadership issue despite the fact that his unit complete fractured and splintered up into cliques. You and I share the same opinion on TO.



Here's what kills me. You got a QB that is beaten up all to hell in December. You're facing the best blitzing teams in the NFL in the Ravens, Steelers and Eagles ... and he just stubbornly insists on 5-7 drops with WR's running 30 yards down the field. And sometimes in crazy weather conditions. It's absolutely unbelievable. Romo is having a hard time even getting up off the ground, and Garrett still insists on these slow developing, long drop, vertical passing game throughout the entire game when the Ravens/Eagles are sending the house on every snap. It's like he's surprised and astonished that somehow the Ravens and Steelers are great blitzing teams, like it's just a mirage, and if he just keeps going to the well over and over again thinking eventually it will work. No wonder Romo called him out at the end of the year, Garrett nearly ended his career with this kind of ... bull-headness/stupidity/what-have-you. That had nothing to do with TO. Completely ignoring Felix Jones had nothing to do with TO. Abandoning the running game at the first sign of tough sledding had nothing to do with TO. There's a whole laundry list of issues that had nothing to do with TO. Where are the roll outs and bootlegs that Romo was so deadly with under Sparano? It's like they disappeared off the face of the earth. Is he going to keep insisting to hammer this Romo shaped peg into an Aikman shaped hole of an offense? When you're talking about the future of a young Pro Bowl caliber QB hanging in the balance, the stakes couldn't be higher.

The best I can hope for is that some of the air has been deflated from his balloon and he's been humbled and he figured out this year he's not the Boy Genius, and goes back to a power running offense. Or maybe since Jerry obviously was prepared to go with Wade at the cost of letting Garrett walk he's given Wade the power to slap Garrett upside the head and tell him we're going with a power running offense instead of Arena Football to show off to everyone how smart he is.

You are dead on accurate. The thing most contradictory is how Phillips is known for customizing his approach so that he can get the best out of his players and talent. This clearly isn't Garrett's strength. I actually wish Phillips would oversee him more and teach him how to be a coordinator. Garrett just doesn't get it.
 

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InmanRoshi;2584125 said:
I'd almost give him a pass on the complete leadership issue despite the fact that his unit complete fractured and splintered up into cliques. You and I share the same opinion on TO.



Here's what kills me. You got a QB that is beaten up all to hell in December. You're facing the best blitzing teams in the NFL in the Ravens, Steelers and Eagles ... and he just stubbornly insists on 5-7 drops with WR's running 30 yards down the field. And sometimes in crazy weather conditions. It's absolutely unbelievable. Romo is having a hard time even getting up off the ground, and Garrett still insists on these slow developing, long drop, vertical passing game throughout the entire game when the Ravens/Eagles are sending the house on every snap. It's like he's surprised and astonished that somehow the Ravens and Steelers are great blitzing teams, like it's just a mirage, and if he just keeps going to the well over and over again thinking eventually it will work. No wonder Romo called him out at the end of the year, Garrett nearly ended his career with this kind of ... bull-headness/stupidity/what-have-you. That had nothing to do with TO. Completely ignoring Felix Jones had nothing to do with TO. Abandoning the running game at the first sign of tough sledding had nothing to do with TO. There's a whole laundry list of issues that had nothing to do with TO. Where are the roll outs and bootlegs that Romo was so deadly with under Sparano? It's like they disappeared off the face of the earth. Is he going to keep insisting to hammer this Romo shaped peg into an Aikman shaped hole of an offense? When you're talking about the future of a young Pro Bowl caliber QB hanging in the balance, the stakes couldn't be higher.

The best I can hope for is that some of the air has been deflated from his balloon and he's been humbled and he figured out this year he's not the Boy Genius, and goes back to a power running offense. Or maybe since Jerry obviously was prepared to go with Wade at the cost of letting Garrett walk he's given Wade the power to slap Garrett upside the head and tell him we're going with a power running offense instead of Arena Football to show off to everyone how smart he is.


Wow Roshi, you are on FIRE in this thread.
 

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khiladi;2583886 said:
To hell with Garrett needing time... Garrett has ten plus years on Mcdaniel, and Mcdaniel never played a down of NFL football. He had his star QB go down, and still made a scrib QB the hot commodity of NFL free-agency.

McDaniel got 100 plus cathes out of wes Walker, taking advantage of the double-teams that Moss was getting, but Garrett couldn't get jack out Crayton, who faced LBs as a 3rd receiver. Garrett had way more weapons then this guy, and Garrett coached like a scrib, plain and simple.

I hope Jerry grows some balls and fires this clown, because he is straight garbage.

No one is arguing McDaniels is worse than Garrett. Not sure what you're trying to prove.

To compare Wes Welker to Patrick Crayton is laughable. Wes Welker is the best underneath receiver in the game paired with the best deep receiver in the game. The Cowboys have three receivers of the same mold.
 

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InmanRoshi;2584125 said:
I'd almost give him a pass on the complete leadership issue despite the fact that his unit complete fractured and splintered up into cliques. You and I share the same opinion on TO.



Here's what kills me. You got a QB that is beaten up all to hell in December. You're facing the best blitzing teams in the NFL in the Ravens, Steelers and Eagles ... and he just stubbornly insists on 5-7 drops with WR's running 30 yards down the field. And sometimes in crazy weather conditions. It's absolutely unbelievable. Romo is having a hard time even getting up off the ground, and Garrett still insists on these slow developing, long drop, vertical passing game throughout the entire game when the Ravens/Eagles are sending the house on every snap. It's like he's surprised and astonished that somehow the Ravens and Steelers are great blitzing teams, like it's just a mirage, and if he just keeps going to the well over and over again thinking eventually it will work. No wonder Romo called him out at the end of the year, Garrett nearly ended his career with this kind of ... bull-headness/stupidity/what-have-you. That had nothing to do with TO. Completely ignoring Felix Jones had nothing to do with TO. Abandoning the running game at the first sign of tough sledding had nothing to do with TO. There's a whole laundry list of issues that had nothing to do with TO. Where are the roll outs and bootlegs that Romo was so deadly with under Sparano? It's like they disappeared off the face of the earth. Is he going to keep insisting to hammer this Romo shaped peg into an Aikman shaped hole of an offense? When you're talking about the future of a young Pro Bowl caliber QB hanging in the balance, the stakes couldn't be higher.

The best I can hope for is that some of the air has been deflated from his balloon and he's been humbled and he figured out this year he's not the Boy Genius, and goes back to a power running offense. Or maybe since Jerry obviously was prepared to go with Wade at the cost of letting Garrett walk he's given Wade the power to slap Garrett upside the head and tell him we're going with a power running offense instead of Arena Football to show off to everyone how smart he is.


:star:Post of the day.:star:
 

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khiladi;2583886 said:
To hell with Garrett needing time... Garrett has ten plus years on Mcdaniel, and Mcdaniel never played a down of NFL football. He had his star QB go down, and still made a scrib QB the hot commodity of NFL free-agency.

McDaniel got 100 plus cathes out of wes Walker, taking advantage of the double-teams that Moss was getting, but Garrett couldn't get jack out Crayton, who faced LBs as a 3rd receiver. Garrett had way more weapons then this guy, and Garrett coached like a scrib, plain and simple.

I hope Jerry grows some balls and fires this clown, because he is straight garbage.

New England played one top 10 defense all year Dallas played . In that game the Patriots scored 10 points. The Patriots offense put up 267 yards. Wes Welker had four catches for 30 yards.

Dallas played the top 5 defenses eight times and #9 defense once. Imagine that it is harder when you play the top defenses.
 

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But.. but.. The end around to TO, the fake hand off to TO.... It's all TO's fault Garrett suks:rolleyes:
 

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CowboyFan74;2584411 said:
But.. but.. The end around to TO, the fake hand off to TO.... It's all TO's fault Garrett suks:rolleyes:

Lets not forget the speed option and the shotgun slip screen. Its like we got a fuggin college coach trying to run an NFL offense.
 

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JustSayNotoTO;2584414 said:
Lets not forget the speed option and the shotgun slip screen. Its like we got a fuggin college coach trying to run an NFL offense.

:lmao2:

We're implementing the triple option next year!
 

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JustSayNotoTO;2584414 said:
Lets not forget the speed option and the shotgun slip screen. Its like we got a fuggin college coach trying to run an NFL offense.


It's embarrassing:eek::
 

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Yet you never miss an opportunity to pick a fight just like you are doing here.

sounds like you are the one trying to pick a fight ...... so now you got one.
 

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InmanRoshi;2584125 said:
I'd almost give him a pass on the complete leadership issue despite the fact that his unit complete fractured and splintered up into cliques. You and I share the same opinion on TO.



Here's what kills me. You got a QB that is beaten up all to hell in December. You're facing the best blitzing teams in the NFL in the Ravens, Steelers and Eagles ... and he just stubbornly insists on 5-7 drops with WR's running 30 yards down the field. And sometimes in crazy weather conditions. It's absolutely unbelievable. Romo is having a hard time even getting up off the ground, and Garrett still insists on these slow developing, long drop, vertical passing game throughout the entire game when the Ravens/Eagles are sending the house on every snap. It's like he's surprised and astonished that somehow the Ravens and Steelers are great blitzing teams, like it's just a mirage, and if he just keeps going to the well over and over again thinking eventually it will work. No wonder Romo called him out at the end of the year, Garrett nearly ended his career with this kind of ... bull-headness/stupidity/what-have-you. That had nothing to do with TO. Completely ignoring Felix Jones had nothing to do with TO. Abandoning the running game at the first sign of tough sledding had nothing to do with TO. There's a whole laundry list of issues that had nothing to do with TO. Where are the roll outs and bootlegs that Romo was so deadly with under Sparano? It's like they disappeared off the face of the earth. Is he going to keep insisting to hammer this Romo shaped peg into an Aikman shaped hole of an offense? When you're talking about the future of a young Pro Bowl caliber QB hanging in the balance, the stakes couldn't be higher.

The best I can hope for is that some of the air has been deflated from his balloon and he's been humbled and he figured out this year he's not the Boy Genius, and goes back to a power running offense. Or maybe since Jerry obviously was prepared to go with Wade at the cost of letting Garrett walk he's given Wade the power to slap Garrett upside the head and tell him we're going with a power running offense instead of Arena Football to show off to everyone how smart he is.


And those are my thoughts exactly.

I hope that Garrett has learned some lessons. I even wonder if some of this was due to receivers who didn't know what to do but run straight ahead? Regardless, I thought he called a bunch of poor games...

I'm hoping that TO will be sent packing though. Beyond that, I am hoping that this offense goes back to the run more and does something besides throw bombs. If it doesn't, I would support canning Mr. Garrett early into the season. I don't think you should waste seasons waiting for a coach.
 
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