Garrett vs Payton

[CowboyChris]

Do you guys think they are very similiar in their coaching styles? both being pass happy coaches? what say you?

 

[StarBoyz83]

Paytons a way better OC but coach it remains to be seen.

 

[CowboyChris]

Paytons a way better OC but coach it remains to be seen.

better coach because of the bounty gate? he did win a SB. i feel like had he won vs SF last year, the Saints wouldve took out the Giants in NFC Champ.

 

[BourbonBalz]

I think that's nothing but erroneous perception of both coaches. Yea, both of them throw the ball a lot, but then so does every NFL team. I actually think both also want a very strong running game, particularly Garrett. When N.O. won the Super Bowl a few years ago, they had a very good ground game though most people don't seem to remember it that way. I think what sometimes gets both of them in trouble is the timing of when they get pass happy at times. Bottom line is both want very stong supporting ground games.

 

[anj113]

Sean Payton is a terrific coach.. He has done a wonderful job... The Saints will miss him dearly this season.... I dont think he gets enough credit how good of a coach he is actually... sure, of course you need talent around you to be successful, that point isnt lost on anyone...I think he is a great head coach... Everywhere he has been and all jobs that he held, he has been successful

 

[JackWagon]

Incompetent coaches dont win SBs ... Sean Payton is a great coach. And virtually every year payton has been a head coach the saints have been playoff contenders.

 

[Hostile]

There are some similarities to be sure. I will say this, I think Garrett's ceiling is higher.

 

[SDCowboy]

They're similar because they like to throw the ball? EVERY coach throws the ball now. It's not 1970.

 

[SDCowboy]

There are some similarities to be sure. I will say this, I think Garrett's ceiling is higher.

I like Garrett but I don't think the ceiling gets higher than Payton's. He's a SB winning coach and without him, they get blown out by the Commanders.

 

[a_minimalist]

No, Payton is a smug POS. He also puckers his lips way more than JG.

 

[8FOR!3]

Jason Garrett's gotta be a genius, he went to Princeton. So it's probably safe to say he's smarter than Sean Payton. But that doesn't necessarily mean he knows more about football. But I guess you could say it gives him a higher ceiling.

 

[sago1]

Saints were a so so team until Payton took over. His coaching/input in drafting/signing players combined with GM Loomis lead Saints to acquire some pretty darn good players which enable him to win a SB & produce good teams which threaten to return to SB again. Payton is a great coach something which Garrett must prove. Payton has also been around for a while and was ready to took over HC duties; Garrett is still work in progress.

 

[Idgit]

Payton's got a skin on the wall. Though, early in his career he took a lot of heat.

Garrett's time will be the next two years. If what he's trying to build is going to get anywhere, it's coming soon. I believe when it's all said and done, JG is going to go down as an all-time great coach in this league. I also recognize that's like predicting the HoF for a second-year QB who's shown some potential.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Do you guys think they are very similiar in their coaching styles? both being pass happy coaches? what say you?

actually garrett is not pass happy. Payton is.

if you look at garrett's stats in play calling, he is more of a norv turner, ernie zampese.

he also goes by down and distance. he is pretty even in calling pass run on first downs. the rest is based on down and distance. 2nd and 7 and longer he passes 65% of the time and runs 35%. when its 2nd and 6 and shorter its about 50 50 again.


the problem has been we haven't had the OL or the running game to gain 3-4 yards on first downs. also, with our crappy defense over the past few years, its often felt like we need to score a lot to keep in the game. even a 12 point lead with 5 minutes to go wasn't enough.

 

[Idgit]

...the problem has been we haven't had the OL or the running game to gain 3-4 yards on first downs. also, with our crappy defense over the past few years, its often felt like we need to score a lot to keep in the game. even a 12 point lead with 5 minutes to go wasn't enough.

This is what I think, too. There are situations, especially in the red zone, where you'd consider a run and we just haven't done it because it looks like the HC doesn't trust our ability to execute it properly.

Evidence of this are the changes we made in the offseason to add bigger OGs and a more physical FB. Along with the fact that we were clearly looking to add a blocking TE early in FA.

We're going to see more running in these situations this season than we've seen previously.

 

[Hostile]

I like Garrett but I don't think the ceiling gets higher than Payton's. He's a SB winning coach and without him, they get blown out by the Commanders.

There is a difference between a ceiling and a history. That is where you are making your mistake. It is common.

When their respective careers are over who will have won more games? Who will have the greater winning %? Who will have more titles?

That is a ceiling.

What each has done in the past when the whole story has not been written is a history.

I am telling you I do not believe Sean Payton has as high a ceiling as Jason Garrett, not discussing what each has done so far. That is the difference.

I'm pretty sure Jason Garrett will not get suspended for an entire season.

 

[adbutcher]

No, Payton is a smug POS. He also puckers his lips way more than JG.

:laugh2:

 

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

There are some similarities to be sure. I will say this, I think Garrett's ceiling is higher.

This.

 

[hmcorp]

This.

Sean Payton first became a coordinator in the NFL in 2000 with the NY giants. He continued to be a coordinator in Dallas for 3 more years.

6 years of experience calling games. Also in his first go around he was kicked off the Giants and with the cowboys several people wanted him gone.
He then went to New Orleans where he continued to call plays for 3 more years before winning a super bowl and went through a 7-9 season where the team struggled.

9 years of calling plays and experience. IN his 10th year he continued to excel.

Malcolm Gladwells OUtliers. 10 years to master something. Doesnt mean you wont be successful before 10 years. But you will still need more experience and practice before you can get to where those masters are.

Jason Garrett is now in his 6th year of calling plays.

I think we need to chill out about comparing the two. I think we can all see where JG has improved and it is getting better and better.

Stick with it. Its only his 3rd year as a head coach too. Based on his success it is evident he can become even better. but there will be down years.

 

[Dallas4ever]

As it stands today, there's really not much to compare. Payton is an established HC who has won consistently and has lead his team to a championship. Garrett is early in the process of building an identity for himself and his team. A better comparison might be Garrett vs. Jim Harbaugh. A good coach will play to the strength of his talent level, be it pass, run or both.