Garrett's 3 year plan

[blindzebra]

You asked for stats and I gave it. Last year were 3rd to last in run to pass ratio. Here it is if you haven't bothered to look.

http://www.fftoday.com/stats/13_run_pass_ratios.html

Now your asking me that I should pull up stats after the bye? No thanks. Go find that info out yourself. Like I said your just moving the goalpost.

Fact is we were a pass heavy team before Linehan came here. Nothing is more obvious than the truth.

Yes you are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

You are missing the entire point.

After the bye we went from over a 60/40 ratio to a 53/47 ratio. That coincides with when Garrett took back the play calling from Callahan.

In other words the FACTS are that Garrett began this shift in philosophy LAST SEASON he hired Linehan who he trusted to CONTINUE THIS PHILOSOPHY this season.

The facts overwhelmingly point to this shift being 100% Jason Garrett's doing and it is being executed by his trusted friend Scott Linehan.

 

[Dodger12]

Ok, I'll bite. Garrett took over the reigns after the bye week and began to instill some mystical running philosophy that somehow escaped him in previous years. But, somehow, the coach with the epiphany after the bye week completely threw that new found philosophy out the window the second half of the Green Bay game with better than a 3 TD lead. Someone please explain this philosophy again?

 

[blindzebra]

Ok, I'll bite. Garrett took over the reigns after the bye week and began to instill some mystical running philosophy that somehow escaped him in previous years. But, somehow, the coach with the epiphany after the bye week completely threw that new found philosophy out the window the second half of the Green Bay game with better than a 3 TD lead. Someone please explain this philosophy again?

You mean the game we stayed balanced until the 4th quarter, scored 10 second half points and were a Murray drop on a swing pass away from finishing them off, even though they scored at will in the second half? That game?

One more time for the learning impaired...we did not abandon the run in that game. They loaded the box and had we just kept banging into a brick wall the only difference would have been we'd have lost 27-26 instead of 37-36 because our defense could not stop them and our special teams gave them a short field.

I suggest you actually look at the play-by-play instead of buying into the propaganda that the haters all throw out.

 

[Dodger12]

You mean the game we stayed balanced until the 4th quarter, scored 10 second half points and were a Murray drop on a swing pass away from finishing them off, even though they scored at will in the second half? That game?

One more time for the learning impaired...we did not abandon the run in that game. They loaded the box and had we just kept banging into a brick wall the only difference would have been we'd have lost 27-26 instead of 37-36 because our defense could not stop them and our special teams gave them a short field.

I suggest you actually look at the play-by-play instead of buying into the propaganda that the haters all throw out.

We can't possibly be talking about the same game because any rational person would admit we abandoned the run versus GB. It's crazy to say otherwise and there's very little point in discussing it any further if you're going to be that ignorant.

http://www.si.com/nfl/audibles/2013/12/17/the-all-22-cowboys-run-game-demarco-murray-packers

"In the first half of their Sunday game against the Green Bay Packers, Dallas ran for 93 yards on just 11 plays -- all carries from DeMarco Murray. The Packers' defense had no real answer for it, and it was the primary reason the Cowboys were up 26-3 at the half. The run balance allowed Tony Romo to be as efficient as he's ever been, completing 16 of 27 passes for 250 yards and a touchdown in the first half alone. For one dreamy first half, the Cowboys looked every bit like the Super Bowl contender Jerry Jones keeps trying to tell us they are.

Then, the play-calling went sideways. Up by 23 points, Dallas ran the ball a grand total of seven times in the second half, relying on Romo to throw the ball 21 times. The results were as predictable as can be: The Cowboys controlled the ball for more than eight minutes in each of the first two quarters but dropped to 7:43 and 6:30 in the final quarters."

"If you're surprised by Dallas' reluctance to run the ball in the second half, you're not alone. After the game, several Green Bay defenders wondered aloud just what the heck those guys were thinking.

"Oh, my God," defensive tackle tackle Ryan Pickett said, via Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel. "It's the best zone scheme in the league. They say it's old, the Wisconsin scheme.

"The last four weeks, nobody could stop it — their zone scheme. And they gave up on it. We're just happy they did. We were, like, 'OK, we'll take it.'"

Cornerback Tramon Williams, who picked off the second Romo duck, was equally shocked. It's become clear that the Cowboys' opponents respect their running game more than the Cowboys seem to.

"That's just who they are," Williams said. "They run the ball really well against everybody they play, but they just never stick with it."

Romo's first fourth-quarter interception came with 2:58 left in the game. The Cowboys had second-and-6 at their own 35-yard line, and Romo threw an errant pass to Miles Austin that was hurried by outside linebacker Clay Matthews' rush outside the left tackle. Romo short-armed the throw, but the real question remained -- why weren't the Cowboys, with a defense made of Swiss cheese, running the ball there? They still had a 36-31 lead at that point.

"Definitely surprised they threw the ball there," Williams said. "I'm glad they did. Obviously, it kept us in the game."

Let's talk about worthwhile opportunities. Murray finished his day with just two negative plays as a runner, and that gave him the highest DYAR (FO's cumulative efficiency metric) of any back in Week 15. As FO's Vince Verhei pointed out on Tuesday, "The average offense this season has run the ball 54 percent of the time when ahead in the second half, and 57 percent of the time when ahead by at least two scores. The Cowboys, meanwhile, had 21 passes and seven runs with a lead in the second half, and nine passes and four runs when ahead by two scores. Did we mention that over the course of the season, Murray is now second in rushing DYAR? This is the kind of guy you want killing the clock and moving the chains. Whomever's to blame, there's clearly something askew in the Dallas game plan."

 

[blindzebra]

We can't possibly be talking about the same game because any rational person would admit we abandoned the run versus GB. It's crazy to say otherwise and there's very little point in discussing it any further if you're going to be that ignorant.

http://www.si.com/nfl/audibles/2013/12/17/the-all-22-cowboys-run-game-demarco-murray-packers

"In the first half of their Sunday game against the Green Bay Packers, Dallas ran for 93 yards on just 11 plays -- all carries from DeMarco Murray. The Packers' defense had no real answer for it, and it was the primary reason the Cowboys were up 26-3 at the half. The run balance allowed Tony Romo to be as efficient as he's ever been, completing 16 of 27 passes for 250 yards and a touchdown in the first half alone. For one dreamy first half, the Cowboys looked every bit like the Super Bowl contender Jerry Jones keeps trying to tell us they are.

Then, the play-calling went sideways. Up by 23 points, Dallas ran the ball a grand total of seven times in the second half, relying on Romo to throw the ball 21 times. The results were as predictable as can be: The Cowboys controlled the ball for more than eight minutes in each of the first two quarters but dropped to 7:43 and 6:30 in the final quarters."

"If you're surprised by Dallas' reluctance to run the ball in the second half, you're not alone. After the game, several Green Bay defenders wondered aloud just what the heck those guys were thinking.

"Oh, my God," defensive tackle tackle Ryan Pickett said, via Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel. "It's the best zone scheme in the league. They say it's old, the Wisconsin scheme.

"The last four weeks, nobody could stop it — their zone scheme. And they gave up on it. We're just happy they did. We were, like, 'OK, we'll take it.'"

Cornerback Tramon Williams, who picked off the second Romo duck, was equally shocked. It's become clear that the Cowboys' opponents respect their running game more than the Cowboys seem to.

"That's just who they are," Williams said. "They run the ball really well against everybody they play, but they just never stick with it."

Romo's first fourth-quarter interception came with 2:58 left in the game. The Cowboys had second-and-6 at their own 35-yard line, and Romo threw an errant pass to Miles Austin that was hurried by outside linebacker Clay Matthews' rush outside the left tackle. Romo short-armed the throw, but the real question remained -- why weren't the Cowboys, with a defense made of Swiss cheese, running the ball there? They still had a 36-31 lead at that point.

"Definitely surprised they threw the ball there," Williams said. "I'm glad they did. Obviously, it kept us in the game."

Let's talk about worthwhile opportunities. Murray finished his day with just two negative plays as a runner, and that gave him the highest DYAR (FO's cumulative efficiency metric) of any back in Week 15. As FO's Vince Verhei pointed out on Tuesday, "The average offense this season has run the ball 54 percent of the time when ahead in the second half, and 57 percent of the time when ahead by at least two scores. The Cowboys, meanwhile, had 21 passes and seven runs with a lead in the second half, and nine passes and four runs when ahead by two scores. Did we mention that over the course of the season, Murray is now second in rushing DYAR? This is the kind of guy you want killing the clock and moving the chains. Whomever's to blame, there's clearly something askew in the Dallas game plan."

So we threw it 16 more than we ran in the first half and 14 more in the second half...kind of screws up the story line don't you think?

 

[Dodger12]

So by percentage we passed more in the first half...kind of screws up the story line don't you think?

Just stop. Honestly, you look silly.

 

[blindzebra]

Just stop. Honestly, you look silly.

It is easy to read stats and not apply them to the actual context of the game.

You yourself provided the following 27/11 71% pass. You all make it sound like we pounded the rock the entire first half and we didn't 72% of our yards came through the air. 41 of Murray's 93 were on 1 run.

Second half we 21/7 75% pass so it was a slight increase in passes, but here is where context comes in.

GB goes 80 yards in 4 plays and we respond with a 6 pass, 4 run drive for a FG.

GB then eats up all but a minute of the 3rd quarter and goes 80 for a TD. Murray drops a pass on first down that at worst would have left us at 2 and 2, but we go 3 and out and they get a 26 yard punt return, and score in 5 plays leaving 13 minutes left.

Dallas answers with a 10 play almost 5 minute drive for a TD. 7:55 remain and they go 80 yards again for a TD.

So at this point there are 4 minutes left and we needed every one of those 10 points.

We get a first down, run with Murray and we get the perfect look on 2nd and 6 to not only get a first down but likely get to midfield. There WAS a run called that Tony checked out of, a lazy route by Miles and not enough on the throw and they get the pick and the game.

So just where in the REALITY OF THE GAME was there this complete abandonment of the run?

 

[ConstantReboot]

You are missing the entire point.

After the bye we went from over a 60/40 ratio to a 53/47 ratio. That coincides with when Garrett took back the play calling from Callahan.

In other words the FACTS are that Garrett began this shift in philosophy LAST SEASON he hired Linehan who he trusted to CONTINUE THIS PHILOSOPHY this season.

The facts overwhelmingly point to this shift being 100% Jason Garrett's doing and it is being executed by his trusted friend Scott Linehan.

Ok I get what your saying. So Callahan, who is now the coordinator of our running game, was guilty for the 60/40 pass ratio. While Garrett, who has been calling pass plays like there is no tomorrow, decides that he'll be running the ball from now on. Totally makes sense.

 

[Dodger12]

You yourself provided the following 27/11 71% pass. You all make it sound like we pounded the rock the entire first half and we didn't 72% of our yards came through the air. 41 of Murray's 93 were on 1 run.

So what? That's over a 5 yard per carry average for the remaining carries. And you certainly open up the passing attack when you can effectively run. Have you been missing in action this season at how running the ball and committing to the run has helped us to 5 and 1?

Second half we 21/7 75% pass so it was a slight increase in passes, but here is where context comes in.

The context is that we have a 23 point lead going into the 2nd half and a banged up defense. You run more to help protect the lead, not to mention GB couldn't stop the run to begin with. The only people that stopped the run that afternoon resided on the Cowboys sideline. I can't even believe we're having this debate. It's really insane.

And regardless what two internet hacks believe, how do you reconcile the player's quotes after the game that we abandoned the run in the second half? I mean, they were there and played the game.

 

[blindzebra]

So what? That's over a 5 yard per carry average for the remaining carries. And you certainly open up the passing attack when you can effectively run. Have you been missing in action this season at how running the ball and committing to the run has helped us to 5 and 1?



The context is that we have a 23 point lead going into the 2nd half and a banged up defense. You run more to help protect the lead, not to mention GB couldn't stop the run to begin with. The only people that stopped the run that afternoon resided on the Cowboys sideline. I can't even believe we're having this debate. It's really insane.

And regardless what two internet hacks believe, how do you reconcile the player's quotes after the game that we abandoned the run in the second half? I mean, they were there and played the game.

Green Bay players.

The simple fact is that had we gone all run against a 9 man front we'd have still lost. Murray's longest run of the 2nd half was 5 yards, they made adjustments.

 

[blindzebra]

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/2...game-was-garrett’s-top-priority-when-i-signed

 

[Doomsday101]

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/2014/10/16/linehan-ground-game-was-garrett’s-top-priority-when-i-signed

Like it really matter what Linehan says. lol We have posters here who know a lot more than the people who are actually at Valley Ranch and what Garrett wants. lol

 

[Miller]

Like it really matter what Linehan says. lol We have posters here who know a lot more than the people who are actually at Valley Ranch and what Garrett wants. lol

I think what people are saying above are that words are cheap if JG showed by example the last 3 years he didn't want to run the ball. Just saying.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think what people are saying above are that words are cheap if JG showed by example the last 3 years he didn't want to run the ball. Just saying.

People look at an entire avg saying Murray avg such and such fact is you can have a couple of big runs with a lot of 1 and 2 yard runs but the avg looks great when reality is you are facing 2nd and 8 or more on many downs. This year Murray avg on 1st down is greater than the total of other backs around the league. When you are producing at that clip on 1st down a lone it is a lot easier to stick with the run.

 

[Miller]

People look at an entire avg saying Murray avg such and such fact is you can have a couple of big runs with a lot of 1 and 2 yard runs but the avg looks great when reality is you are facing 2nd and 8 or more on many downs. This year Murray avg on 1st down is greater than the total of other backs around the league. When you are producing at that clip on 1st down a lone it is a lot easier to stick with the run.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing. I'm just saying I think that's the argument being made..that we were a pass happy team under JG's OC work.

 

[khiladi]

And still hasn't contributed one football fact in this thread. Thanks for your thoughts and the articles that support them.

No problem. I mean these

We can't possibly be talking about the same game because any rational person would admit we abandoned the run versus GB. It's crazy to say otherwise and there's very little point in discussing it any further if you're going to be that ignorant.

http://www.si.com/nfl/audibles/2013/12/17/the-all-22-cowboys-run-game-demarco-murray-packers

"In the first half of their Sunday game against the Green Bay Packers, Dallas ran for 93 yards on just 11 plays -- all carries from DeMarco Murray. The Packers' defense had no real answer for it, and it was the primary reason the Cowboys were up 26-3 at the half. The run balance allowed Tony Romo to be as efficient as he's ever been, completing 16 of 27 passes for 250 yards and a touchdown in the first half alone. For one dreamy first half, the Cowboys looked every bit like the Super Bowl contender Jerry Jones keeps trying to tell us they are.

Then, the play-calling went sideways. Up by 23 points, Dallas ran the ball a grand total of seven times in the second half, relying on Romo to throw the ball 21 times. The results were as predictable as can be: The Cowboys controlled the ball for more than eight minutes in each of the first two quarters but dropped to 7:43 and 6:30 in the final quarters."

"If you're surprised by Dallas' reluctance to run the ball in the second half, you're not alone. After the game, several Green Bay defenders wondered aloud just what the heck those guys were thinking.

"Oh, my God," defensive tackle tackle Ryan Pickett said, via Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel. "It's the best zone scheme in the league. They say it's old, the Wisconsin scheme.

"The last four weeks, nobody could stop it — their zone scheme. And they gave up on it. We're just happy they did. We were, like, 'OK, we'll take it.'"

Cornerback Tramon Williams, who picked off the second Romo duck, was equally shocked. It's become clear that the Cowboys' opponents respect their running game more than the Cowboys seem to.

"That's just who they are," Williams said. "They run the ball really well against everybody they play, but they just never stick with it."

Romo's first fourth-quarter interception came with 2:58 left in the game. The Cowboys had second-and-6 at their own 35-yard line, and Romo threw an errant pass to Miles Austin that was hurried by outside linebacker Clay Matthews' rush outside the left tackle. Romo short-armed the throw, but the real question remained -- why weren't the Cowboys, with a defense made of Swiss cheese, running the ball there? They still had a 36-31 lead at that point.

"Definitely surprised they threw the ball there," Williams said. "I'm glad they did. Obviously, it kept us in the game."

Let's talk about worthwhile opportunities. Murray finished his day with just two negative plays as a runner, and that gave him the highest DYAR (FO's cumulative efficiency metric) of any back in Week 15. As FO's Vince Verhei pointed out on Tuesday, "The average offense this season has run the ball 54 percent of the time when ahead in the second half, and 57 percent of the time when ahead by at least two scores. The Cowboys, meanwhile, had 21 passes and seven runs with a lead in the second half, and nine passes and four runs when ahead by two scores. Did we mention that over the course of the season, Murray is now second in rushing DYAR? This is the kind of guy you want killing the clock and moving the chains. Whomever's to blame, there's clearly something askew in the Dallas game plan."

Garrett must have coached at Wisconsin, not Callahan. Got to love how Callahan and Garrett were rifting last year as well. Oh, but it's all part of the process. Garrett foresaw that Houck would be a failure with his power-blocking schemes, but just waited until he could bring in OC like Callahan, to totally revamp the OL and running game. This was actually the reason why he never really wanted Dan Reeves here, because you know, Garrett always knew how to blend a running game with passing game. It was all part of his 'process'... Man, what vision!

Can somebody explain why Orton threw the ball over forty times a game? I remember the excuses were shifting to even Romo audibling out of the run-plays Garrett was calling... Some of the Garrett-homers were saying that Orton runs Garrett's offense much better. thus, it's Romo's fault.

 

[DanteEXT]

So what? That's over a 5 yard per carry average for the remaining carries. And you certainly open up the passing attack when you can effectively run. Have you been missing in action this season at how running the ball and committing to the run has helped us to 5 and 1?



The context is that we have a 23 point lead going into the 2nd half and a banged up defense. You run more to help protect the lead, not to mention GB couldn't stop the run to begin with. The only people that stopped the run that afternoon resided on the Cowboys sideline. I can't even believe we're having this debate. It's really insane.

And regardless what two internet hacks believe, how do you reconcile the player's quotes after the game that we abandoned the run in the second half? I mean, they were there and played the game.

I'm curious.... when exactly did the Dallas Cowboys offense have a 23 point lead to work with?

 

[Miller]

No problem. I mean these



Garrett must have coached at Wisconsin, not Callahan. Got to love how Callahan and Garrett were rifting last year as well. Oh, but it's all part of the process. Garrett foresaw that Houck would be a failure with his power-blocking schemes, but just waited until he could bring in OC like Callahan, to totally revamp the OL and running game. This was actually the reason why he never really wanted Dan Reeves here, because you know, Garrett always knew how to blend a running game with passing game. It was all part of his 'process'... Man, what vision!

Can somebody explain why Orton threw the ball over forty times a game? I remember the excuses were shifting to even Romo audibling out of the run-plays Garrett was calling... Some of the Garrett-homers were saying that Orton runs Garrett's offense much better. thus, it's Romo's fault.

Good food for thought khiladi! Again, thanks for the arguments and back up.

 

[blindzebra]

I'm curious.... when exactly did the Dallas Cowboys offense have a 23 point lead to work with?

Good point...they didn't. GB had the fast 80 yard drive to cut the lead to 26-10 and the offense had to react to what GB was doing. We stayed balanced and made it 29-10 and bang, they cut it to 29-17.
Murray drops a swing pass and they get a big punt return and it is 29-24. We score and it is 36-24 with 8 minutes left.

It is why I keep talking about context. They keep screaming about running more but never address the fact that GB was scoring at will and we answered with 10 points. Just when were we supposed to run it more into the 8 and 9 man box they started using?

 

[DanteEXT]

Good point...they didn't. GB had the fast 80 yard drive to cut the lead to 26-10 and the offense had to react to what GB was doing. We stayed balanced and made it 29-10 and bang, they cut it to 29-17.
Murray drops a swing pass and they get a big punt return and it is 29-24. We score and it is 36-24 with 8 minutes left.

It is why I keep talking about context. They keep screaming about running more but never address the fact that GB was scoring at will and we answered with 10 points. Just when were we supposed to run it more into the 8 and 9 man box they started using?

Thanks.

One could argue maybe at the end of the 3rd they should have handed the ball off and burned the rest of the quarter off and then if they need to punt it would have been in the 4th. But that 1st down play SHOULD have been caught by Murray and Dallas should have been starting the 4th quarter on 2nd down at worst.