Garrett's Involvement/Impact on the Defense

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How much is Garrett involved in developing this defense, making improvement and adjustments? I think the lack of an all-around coach is hindering this team on that side of the ball. We don't have a guy who can really even speak the language needed to communicate adjustments in game regarding scheme, technique or mismatches. We have a coach who knows one side of the ball. And that is hurting us. We barely escaped with a win today. Do you guys and gals think this could be part of the problem, that he's not able to refine what Monte is doing or improve upon it in any way?
 

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I don't think Head Coaches with an offensive background ever have much input into the defense.
 

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I don't think Head Coaches with an offensive background ever have much input into the defense.

I think some do it better than others. At this point, since Monte seems to be struggling, I think it's the HC's duty to step in and make corrections and adjustments. I just don't think he's capable of doing so. Guys like Payton, on the other hand, are. I'm not saying Payton is a defensive guru. But he's capable of intervening if things get rough. JG is like a lost toddler on the other side of the ball.
 

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How much is Garrett involved in developing this defense, making improvement and adjustments? I think the lack of an all-around coach is hindering this team on that side of the ball. We don't have a guy who can really even speak the language needed to communicate adjustments in game regarding scheme, technique or mismatches. We have a coach who knows one side of the ball. And that is hurting us. We barely escaped with a win today. Do you guys and gals think this could be part of the problem, that he's not able to refine what Monte is doing or improve upon it in any way?

What side of the ball does he know?
 

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Payton may tell a defensive coach how he expects them to handle certain situations, but I highly doubt he is telling Ryan how to scheme or approach the game.

I am down on Garrett, but this is a huge reach. If something gets by Kiffin, Marinelli is the next man in line. To be honest, as bad as our D has been, I don't want Red anywhere near it.
 

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I don't even think he knew that.. Teams just played deep-zone, preventing the big play. They just waited until the 20s, with our weak WR routes or we self-implode. The difference this year is we have a little better of a coach in Callahan, which isn't saying much, using Dez more in the red-zone and TOs by this defense full of player off the street. We got Marinelli to advice Kiffin. The last thing we want is this inept HC...
 

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Payton may tell a defensive coach how he expects them to handle certain situations, but I highly doubt he is telling Ryan how to scheme or approach the game.

I am down on Garrett, but this is a huge reach. If something gets by Kiffin, Marinelli is the next man in line. To be honest, as bad as our D has been, I don't want Red anywhere near it.

Marinelli is the better option, I think. He's the only coach worth a flip on this team. Coaches like Johnson and Parcells were the best kind, because they know both sides of the ball. It's the same with guys like Cowher and Gruden too. I think that's what this team is missing. That's sort of the point of this thread.
 

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I think some do it better than others. At this point, since Monte seems to be struggling, I think it's the HC's duty to step in and make corrections and adjustments. I just don't think he's capable of doing so. Guys like Payton, on the other hand, are. I'm not saying Payton is a defensive guru. But he's capable of intervening if things get rough. JG is like a lost toddler on the other side of the ball.

Garrett has some issues, but lack of involvement in the defense would be at the bottom of the list if it's an issue at all.

There are no tweaks to overcome the roster issues.

CB Webb, B.W. - Starter in the nickel defense. Rookie.
DE Brown, Everette - Best WDE in today's game. Signed last week.
DE Rayford, Caesar- 27 year old NFL rookie. Signed after Training Camp.
DE Selvie, George - Starter at SDE. Signed after Training Camp.
DE Wilber, Kyle - Drafted in the 4th round to be an OLB.
DE Wynn, Jarius- Signed less than 3 weeks ago.
DT Hayden, Nick - Starting 1-tech. Out of football last year.
DT Nevis, Drake - Cut by 2 teams this season.
LB Sims, Ernie - Out of football for some period of time before joining the Cowboys last season.
S Church, Barry - Had 3 starts prior to this season.
S Heath, Jeff - Made his 2nd career start today. UDFA Rookie.
 

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Marinelli is the better option, I think. He's the only coach worth a flip on this team. Coaches like Johnson and Parcells were the best kind, because they know both sides of the ball. It's the same with guys like Cowher and Gruden too. I think that's what this team is missing. That's sort of the point of this thread.

What's Marinelli gonna do when the offense starts laying eggs out there?

Or when every starter on the OL, and then every back up on the OL goes down with an injury less than halfway through the season?
 

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How much is Garrett involved in developing this defense, making improvement and adjustments? I think the lack of an all-around coach is hindering this team on that side of the ball. We don't have a guy who can really even speak the language needed to communicate adjustments in game regarding scheme, technique or mismatches. We have a coach who knows one side of the ball. And that is hurting us. We barely escaped with a win today. Do you guys and gals think this could be part of the problem, that he's not able to refine what Monte is doing or improve upon it in any way?

You don't need an all around coach. You need a leader. Someone who can delegate, and someone who holds people accountable. More importantly someone that players, teams, officials, fans, everyone respects. (What the game officials almost dismiss Garrett compared to those that "command" respect.)

JJ was an awful X's and O's guy. But he could delegate and instill fear/respect. The bottom 1/3 of the roster was always in fear. (Heck, didn't we win a game but cut some kid -- Lincoln Coleman maybe? -- that fumbled in the last minutes in '93 that scared Lett 2 weeks later?) Can you see THIS coach doing that?
 

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Garrett has some issues, but lack of involvement in the defense would be at the bottom of the list if it's an issue at all.

There are no tweaks to overcome the roster issues.

CB Webb, B.W. - Starter in the nickel defense. Rookie.
DE Brown, Everette - Best WDE in today's game. Signed last week.
DE Rayford, Caesar- 27 year old NFL rookie. Signed after Training Camp.
DE Selvie, George - Starter at SDE. Signed after Training Camp.
DE Wilber, Kyle - Drafted in the 4th round to be an OLB.
DE Wynn, Jarius- Signed less than 3 weeks ago.
DT Hayden, Nick - Starting 1-tech. Out of football last year.
DT Nevis, Drake - Cut by 2 teams this season.
LB Sims, Ernie - Out of football for some period of time before joining the Cowboys last season.
S Church, Barry - Had 3 starts prior to this season.
S Heath, Jeff - Made his 2nd career start today. UDFA Rookie.

Understood, but it's not about that so much as playing as a unit, in my view. I don't expect us to be the best, but we get hammered out there often. I do like the fact we get turnovers. I think you have to give Kiffin credit there. But that's where it stops.
 

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I think some do it better than others. At this point, since Monte seems to be struggling, I think it's the HC's duty to step in and make corrections and adjustments. I just don't think he's capable of doing so. Guys like Payton, on the other hand, are. I'm not saying Payton is a defensive guru. But he's capable of intervening if things get rough. JG is like a lost toddler on the other side of the ball.

Nice story. Can we get a story about Jim Schwartz now?
 

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Marinelli is the better option, I think. He's the only coach worth a flip on this team. Coaches like Johnson and Parcells were the best kind, because they know both sides of the ball. It's the same with guys like Cowher and Gruden too. I think that's what this team is missing. That's sort of the point of this thread.

What on earth are you talking about? Gruden can coach defense now? Why, because he sounds like he knows what he is talking about on TV? Cowher can coach offense now? Marinelli is a DL coach but you think he has the ability to throw in his hat on offense?

Your point isn't a point at all. The whole reason they took OC duties away from Garrett is because he showed he was incapable of managing a game and running an offense. Now you want him to throw in his hat on defense?

I am not trying to be mean, but you sound like you have no idea what you're talking about.
 

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You don't need an all around coach. You need a leader. Someone who can delegate, and someone who holds people accountable. More importantly someone that players, teams, officials, fans, everyone respects. (What the game officials almost dismiss Garrett compared to those that "command" respect.)

JJ was an awful X's and O's guy. But he could delegate and instill fear/respect. The bottom 1/3 of the roster was always in fear. (Heck, didn't we win a game but cut some kid -- Lincoln Coleman maybe? -- that fumbled in the last minutes in '93 that scared Lett 2 weeks later?) Can you see THIS coach doing that?

I agree with this except for the X's and O's comment. Jimmy Johnson knew/knows football like the back of his hand. I don't think what the original poster is saying is either the problem or the solution, but Jimmy Johnson was one hell of a tactician.
 

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That's why it kills me to hear people compare this idiot to Landry. Landry invented the 4-3 defense and he was also an innovator on offense using formations shifts, shotgun and putting players in motion .

JG can barely qualify as a qb coach.
 

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I think the biggest problem with the defense is just the lack of healthy bodies. As bad as they are stats-wise, they still manage to make things happen here and there. Sometimes it's not enough and sometimes the unit is unreliable. You can't say it's all injuries, but it's also hard to deny the fact that injuries have had a MAJOR impact.

But remember, last year it was Rob Ryan's fault... Dallas is now the #32 defense in the league. Still Rob Ryan's fault? Still Wade Phillips' fault?

Time to stop blaming coaches and start blaming players.
 

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What on earth are you talking about? Gruden can coach defense now? Why, because he sounds like he knows what he is talking about on TV? Cowher can coach offense now? Marinelli is a DL coach but you think he has the ability to throw in his hat on offense?

Your point isn't a point at all. The whole reason they took OC duties away from Garrett is because he showed he was incapable of managing a game and running an offense. Now you want him to throw in his hat on defense?

I am not trying to be mean, but you sound like you have no idea what you're talking about.

Oh, Lord, it's getting deep in here. I didn't say he should do his job for the DC. I said step in and make adjustments and motivate players, etc. Certainly, the head coach has some duties to both sides of the ball. You Garrett apologists will find anything or anyone to blame his shortcomings on rather than where they belong, which is squarely on him.
 

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You don't need an all around coach. You need a leader. Someone who can delegate, and someone who holds people accountable. More importantly someone that players, teams, officials, fans, everyone respects. (What the game officials almost dismiss Garrett compared to those that "command" respect.)

JJ was an awful X's and O's guy. But he could delegate and instill fear/respect. The bottom 1/3 of the roster was always in fear. (Heck, didn't we win a game but cut some kid -- Lincoln Coleman maybe? -- that fumbled in the last minutes in '93 that scared Lett 2 weeks later?) Can you see THIS coach doing that?

Curvin Richards

Dallas' final game of the season was a home contest against the lowly Chicago Bears. With 10:59 remaining in the fourth quarter, Dallas held a 27-0 lead that had the 63,101 fans dancing in the aisles. Needing 109 yards to surpass Pittsburgh's Barry Foster for the league rushing lead, Emmitt Smith clinched the crown with a 31-yard touchdown scamper early in the third quarter. Defensive tackle Russell Maryland scored his first career touchdown when he snagged a bobbled pitchout, rumbled 26 yards into the end zone and celebrated with a bellyflop. It was a good day. A great day. A celebratory day.

Until Curvin Richards entered the game.

In 13 carries, Richards fumbled twice. His first was returned 42 yards by Chicago lineman Chris Zorich. "Man, Jimmy was mad," says Tim Daniel, a Cowboys wide receiver. "I was standing right there when he turned to Curvin and said, point blank, 'If you fumble again, your a-- is cut and you'll never carry the ball for the Dallas Cowboys again.'" Then Richards fumbled again. Johnson yanked him. As he jogged toward the sideline, Richards surely expected to be browbeaten by Johnson. Instead, the coach said the worst thing possible: absolutely nothing.

The Cowboys held on to win, 27-14, and entered the locker room with a franchise-best 13-3 record; an NFC East title; a bye week -- and a coach again on the brink of a meltdown. Two weeks after the airplane incident, Johnson was even angrier. In his postgame press conference, he refused to look directly at the assembled reporters, muttering, "The team is to be congratulated on winning 13 games. (But) I was not happy with the sloppy play." Johnson furiously chewed out his players, pinpointing each miscue as if it had occurred in the final minutes of a deadlocked Super Bowl.



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Johnson and Troy Aikman were definitely a successful tandem, although they didn't always see eye to eye.

"This is crazy," Tony Wise, the offensive line coach, said. "Whether anybody around here believes it or not, we beat a pretty good football team today." Aikman was equally disturbed. "What really concerned me is that he didn't congratulate us at all," he said. "That was really hard on a lot of guys. There was a lot of bitterness."


After addressing (and undressing) the team, Johnson headed straight for Jerry Jones' suite to let his owner have it. With a quarter remaining in the game, Jones had escorted Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the Saudi ambassador to the United States, onto the sideline. When Johnson spotted the smiling owner and prince (as well as Bandar's six bodyguards), he flipped. "What the f--- were these guys doing here?" he yelled at Jones. "In the middle of a game that we're blowing?"

After Johnson calmed down, he told Jones that Richards had to be cut. The owner insisted they sleep on it, but the following morning the coach's mind was unchanged. In the history of the NFL postseason, teams won scoring a lot and scoring a little. They won with good defense and adequate defense. They won with clutch kickers and nervous kickers. They never won turning over the football.

When the Cowboys informed the league of the transaction, Joel Bussert, the NFL's senior director of player personnel, was shocked. "Jimmy," he said, "I just want to make sure you know that you'll have to pay this guy full playoff money and that you can't replace him now on the postseason roster."

"Fine," said Johnson. "I just want Richards away from us."

Upon learning of his fate from Johnson, the low-key Richards nodded his head, cleaned out his locker and quietly departed Valley Ranch. His teammates were saddened, but hardly surprised. "Jimmy gave Curvin plenty of warnings," says James Washington. "What else was he supposed to do?"

The Cowboys were heading to the playoffs -- one man down.
 

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Marinelli is the better option, I think. He's the only coach worth a flip on this team. Coaches like Johnson and Parcells were the best kind, because they know both sides of the ball. It's the same with guys like Cowher and Gruden too. I think that's what this team is missing. That's sort of the point of this thread.

This isn't true, at least not in Johnson's case. He knew very little about offensive football and let Turner do what he wanted to when he was here. Read any of the books about the 90s dynasties for more info.

I'm down on Garrett but I'm not about to knock him for not sticking his nose where it doesn't belong.
 
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