Garrett's Involvement/Impact on the Defense

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You spend just as much time playing tennis with our "concocted" explanations :oops:

I do. But that's providing a useful service to you guys. :)

I'd rather talk about actual problems, though, honestly. I think the problem is, those discussions don't generate much debate, and so they're not as much fun. We can agree on the obvious, and then that's that. But pick a topic that's debatable, and we can go on for hours. And the most debatable topics just happen to be the ones that invite unfair criticisms. It's not really surprising when you stop to think about it, but that's the way it works out.
 

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Well, maybe not ignored, but under-complained about. Our CB and S health, both concern me right now in general, and especially so against the Saints this week. The underwhelming play of Bruce Carter in coverage is something that only gets mentioned in a context where people are complaining about Ernie Sims, but it's probably one of the top three disappointments for me with the defense this season. The play of our Safeties in pass coverage is still nothing to write home about, but the topic of maybe taking snaps from Barry Church to give some opportunities to one or both of the rookies is worth mentioning. As is the lift, or lack thereof we're likely to get when Demarcus Ware gets back into the lineup.

Basically, I'm interested in what we might do to improve the effectiveness of the pass defense for when we play the better teams in the league, because that's gotten us beat in the SD, DEN, and DET games (whereas the KC game was a very good defense that hampered our offensive effectiveness, and turnovers). Those are three good QBs who've just beaten us, and we've still got Brees, Rodgers, and then the prospect of improved play from the NFCE QBs to contend with the second half of the year.

The stuff about the number of runs that were called in a victory today, or about the play calling in general is, in my opinion, almost a non-issue. I did have a beef today with the play action on third and forever that ended in a sack that nobody's really mentioning, but, generally, I think it's silly that any significant people really believe two guys as experienced as Jason Garrett and Bill Callahan honestly don't know what they're doing in terms of putting together an offensive game plan. It's one thing to not like the plan. I'm personally not a big fan of the design of either our offense or our defense. But it's another, entirely, to pretend like they guys actually don't know what they're doing.

Ok, I will start nibbling away at this tomorrow, but I have actually addressed most of this personally more than once.
 

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Yeah actually you did just attack me, but I can brush that off because I'm used to the dramatic bravado of the posters here.

You're making a couple different claims which make it difficult to argue.

First you're saying Garrett should throw in his hat on defensive adjustments. I am saying no, he shouldn't. The man can't even run the offense properly at the moment, he has no business sticking his nose in on defense.

Then you're saying that Garrett does't have the ability to do what you think he should be doing. That part I agree with.

So maybe we have a miscommunication here.

Thanks for the PM. Glad we were able to find a common ground and move past it. Textual ambiguity.
 

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I'll address other issues about this tomorrow. I'm watching a documentary now called "Dirty Wars". I'm kind of glued.
 

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Understood, but it's not about that so much as playing as a unit, in my view. I don't expect us to be the best, but we get hammered out there often. I do like the fact we get turnovers. I think you have to give Kiffin credit there. But that's where it stops.

If the offense was playing well we could have another couple of wins.

This is not all on the defense.
 

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Garrett has some issues, but lack of involvement in the defense would be at the bottom of the list if it's an issue at all.

There are no tweaks to overcome the roster issues.

CB Webb, B.W. - Starter in the nickel defense. Rookie.
DE Brown, Everette - Best WDE in today's game. Signed last week.
DE Rayford, Caesar- 27 year old NFL rookie. Signed after Training Camp.
DE Selvie, George - Starter at SDE. Signed after Training Camp.
DE Wilber, Kyle - Drafted in the 4th round to be an OLB.
DE Wynn, Jarius- Signed less than 3 weeks ago.
DT Hayden, Nick - Starting 1-tech. Out of football last year.
DT Nevis, Drake - Cut by 2 teams this season.
LB Sims, Ernie - Out of football for some period of time before joining the Cowboys last season.
S Church, Barry - Had 3 starts prior to this season.
S Heath, Jeff - Made his 2nd career start today. UDFA Rookie.

Yeah, I'd say our defense has been a little hurt by injuries... Holy crap!
 

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I haven't watched many Saints games but the defense that Rob had in Cleveland used a lot more of those exotic formations than Dallas ever used with Ryan as DC. Was it Garrett having him tame it down? Nobody can say for sure but I would imagine a coach would have some input regarding whether or not a team was going to play a little more conservative or a little more risky.

Aikman was saying that Rob's defense is doing so much better this year because Payton had him simplify it a lot. Are you sure about your statement?
 

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How much is Garrett involved in developing this defense, making improvement and adjustments? I think the lack of an all-around coach is hindering this team on that side of the ball. We don't have a guy who can really even speak the language needed to communicate adjustments in game regarding scheme, technique or mismatches. We have a coach who knows one side of the ball. And that is hurting us. We barely escaped with a win today. Do you guys and gals think this could be part of the problem, that he's not able to refine what Monte is doing or improve upon it in any way?

If I was a defensive player for the Cowboys, I would hate Garrett's offense. Lots of 3 and outs and mostly passing plays. His offense doesn't sustain drives and its easy to defend. Thus the defense, despite all of the injuries, are still gifting our offense with opportunity after opportunity.
 

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Oh, Lord, it's getting deep in here. I didn't say he should do his job for the DC. I said step in and make adjustments and motivate players, etc. Certainly, the head coach has some duties to both sides of the ball. You Garrett apologists will find anything or anyone to blame his shortcomings on rather than where they belong, which is squarely on him.

You're fighting an uphill battle. People here are sanitized to the whole philosophy of a defensive and offensive HC that they can't fathom that the real HC is responsible for the whole team which includes both sides of the ball. Any HC, whether he be an offensive or defensive minded HC, should have some philosophy of what he wants to see on the other side of the ball. Case in point, "if" it was JG that wanted a switch to a 4 - 3 then he has to have some idea how that defensive philosophy will benefit his team and personnel better than the 3 - 4. I guess some people around here really believe that a top tier HC like Payton or Bellichick just hand over half their team to a coordinator and don't give any input into gameday preparation or half time adjustments.
 

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He helps with the gameplan. All coaches do. They want to get everybody on the same wavelength as to how they will approach the opponent.

The issues on defense now are more injury related. Wilber is really a backup, situational pass rusher there to give a good starting. Hayden really isn't the type of guy that Kiffin prefers at the 1-tech, but he does a nice job. Selvie and the rest are guys we found off the street. We now have Heath at safety and Webb at corner, ugh. We could really use Carter to play like we think he should play because Sims was awful in the last 2 games.

It would be nice if we could get a defense that can stay reasonably healthy.






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If I was a defensive player for the Cowboys, I would hate Garrett's offense. Lots of 3 and outs and mostly passing plays. His offense doesn't sustain drives and its easy to defend. Thus the defense, despite all of the injuries, are still gifting our offense with opportunity after opportunity.

If I was an offensive player, I would hate this offense. Lots of work and everything has to be right to gain 4 yards. No thank you.





YR
 

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If I was an offensive player, I would hate this offense. Lots of work and everything has to be right to gain 4 yards. No thank you.





YR

You and me same. I hate this offense. It too overly complicated to run, and too easy to defend.Nothing about it is innovative and its outdated. It just needs to be scrapped.
 
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