Garrett's nepotism

[Tabascocat]

It is more so an organizational nepotism starting from the top

 

[Galian Beast]

Well, it is pretty obvious what the real problem is. It's not Garrett's "coaching tree", which I think is ridiculous to even act like a rookie head coach will have any kind of tree anways, but it's Jerry's ineptitude as the general manager.



How many names do you recognize on the Panthers staff?

http://www.panthers.com/team/coaches.html

Patriots?

http://www.patriots.com/team/coaches

The dude is no longer a "rookie" coach, and the fact that you still call him that after what 5 years? Proves exactly what he is.

Most coaches who came up the right way will have fostered many relationships with other position coaches and coordinators and when their names are called up for head coaching jobs, they usually go to people they've worked with in the past and have established themselves. They're willing to put their jobs on the line to make these hires.

Garrett didn't have that. From the start he was threatened with coaches with legitimate experience. Hudson Houck was a retread from the 90s. A legacy coach who was at the time bouncing around the league. He coached the cowboys line of the 90s, was fired, and then brought back under Garrett...

Garrett did not hire legitimate offensive coordinator... why because he was threatened. We could have brought in Norv Turner or Chan Gailey many times, not that either are great at this point, but they're both better than him.

He finally brings in Callahan when it is obvious he can no longer be the guy, and he emasculated Callahan. Didn't let him implement his own offense, and didn't let him call plays. Demoted him, and drove him out. Callahan was a threat to him as a former head coach.

On defense, Garrett had no coaching tree at all. They brought in Rob Ryan because they liked what the Ryans were doing on defense and thought we had the pieces to keep the 3-4 going under him. Garrett quickly used him as a scapegoat. Half the defensive coaching staff is still left over from Ryan's time... which makes no sense.

Your rookie coach has had three defensive coordinators and two offensive coordinators...

Also don't think that Kiffin and Marinelli were his ideas.

Linehan was a Jason hire, because he wanted a puppet. I still think Linehan is a better coordinator than Garrett, so I won't complain much here, but if you look at the offensive coaching staff, it is a bunch of nobodies who haven't done anything, save for Mike Pope. Who oddly enough is definitely a Garrett hire, but is old and is not a threat to him.

Only other good hire he made was when he brought in Robinson to coach the WRs.

 

[CyberB0b]

Garrett didn't have that. From the start he was threatened with coaches with legitimate experience. Hudson Houck was a retread from the 90s. A legacy coach who was at the time bouncing around the league. He coached the cowboys line of the 90s, was fired, and then brought back under Garrett...

If you're arguing that he didn't have adequate coaching experience to be a head coach, I agree. Anyways, it is clear that Jerry Jones is making the staff changes, not Jason Garrett. I am saying that you are shooting the right bullet, but aiming at the wrong target. It is Jerry Jones that has created the circus atmosphere, for 20 years running. Either way, there have been some extremely experienced coaches that have been here under Jason Garrett, and it has nothing to do with his tree.

 

[Galian Beast]

If you're arguing that he didn't have adequate coaching experience to be a head coach, I agree. Anyways, it is clear that Jerry Jones is making the staff changes, not Jason Garrett. I am saying that you are shooting the right bullet, but aiming at the wrong target. It is Jerry Jones that has created the circus atmosphere, for 20 years running. Either way, there have been some extremely experienced coaches that have been here under Jason Garrett, and it has nothing to do with his tree.

How many up and coming yet established coaches have we got here? Even Marinelli who is our defensive coach and Linehan or more failures than anything.

 

[Apollo Creed]

You know Garrett wasn't mentally tough when he wouldn't hire Norv Turner...

Or Dan Reeves... Or anyone with any clout that could make him feel uncomfortable.

 

[Galian Beast]

Or Dan Reeves... Or anyone with any clout that could make him feel uncomfortable.

When was the last time we got an offensive or defensive coordinator who was up and coming? As in we got a rising position coach or coordinator whose head coach was fired, and they weren't staying?

Closest was Rob Ryan, and that is arguable.

Only times we got top positions coaches was Jimmy Robinson, Mike Pope (both of whom were aging), and Bill Callahan (who he drove off).

We have had a QB coach here since 2007 who has not developed a single QB since he has been here... He was also QB coach from 2000-2002 where he also didn't develop a single QB... In between he was the Bears QB coach and also didn't develop a single QB...

 

[Galian Beast]

And now Joe Baker instead of getting fired is our cornerbacks coach...

 

[Risen Star]

Wow did not know that.

you would think the jones would not allow this.

I genuinely worry about the safety of some of you people.

 

[CCBoy]

Wow, I was wondering where the annual fund raiser for Ripple was being held. Burn Barrel Buddies, unite.

'In Unity, Brothers!'

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

One of the biggest reasons I think our team has struggled over the years is Garrett's weak coaching tree.

Most coaches inherit extremely experienced coaches across their staff from previous positions...

We hired a 2 year QBs coach to be our offensive coordinator. Someone who hadn't built those relationships.

As a result we have him hiring his brothers and former roommates or associates.

Joe Baker is a great example of this. Baker was a receiver for Garrett back at Princeton. This guy is a JAG and hasn't developed any safeties since he has been here in 2012, and yet here he is... still on the staff...

It was nepotism that got Garrett hired and it is nepotism that continues to sink our team.

Who is the Cowboys' director of pro scouting? Judd Garrett.... his qualifications? He was a tight ends coach for 2 years for the Rams... He did not rise in the scouting ranks to become director.

His father didn't hire him and he fired his brother. Hiring people you've worked with before isn't nepotism.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

In what other organization has a guy with no experience immediately been put on as an OC, and then a few years after, after being part of a staff that resulted in the team giving up, handed the reins over to that green guy?

Begging the question does not make your premise true. I'm sure you think because you cannot think of anyone else that you've made your case. It's real easy to blow up.

Andy Reid hired his sons repeatedly despite being drug addicts. Mike Shanahan hired his son Kyle. Wade Phillips has hired his son repeatedly. The Nolan family did it. I could go on.

Those are actually examples of nepotism too as opposed to the OP who struggles with what the word means.

 

[Galian Beast]

His father didn't hire him and he fired his brother. Hiring people you've worked with before isn't nepotism.

He was forced to fire his brother, and when you hire people based on your personal connections rather their qualifications that is nepotism.

 

[Galian Beast]

Begging the question does not make your premise true. I'm sure you think because you cannot think of anyone else that you've made your case. It's real easy to blow up.

Andy Reid hired his sons repeatedly despite being drug addicts. Mike Shanahan hired his son Kyle. Wade Phillips has hired his son repeatedly. The Nolan family did it. I could go on.

Those are actually examples of nepotism too as opposed to the OP who struggles with what the word means.

Sometimes you can get away with nepotism when you're a highly qualified coach, but when you yourself are inexperienced it is a force multiplier.

And again, I don't think you know what nepotism is.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Sometimes you can get away with nepotism when you're a highly qualified coach, but when you yourself are inexperienced it is a force multiplier.

And again, I don't think you know what nepotism is.

It helps when you are going to make a claim that someone doesn't know what it means that you demonstrate that you instead understand. What you do here is bluster. Typical if not persuasive.

Nepotism is when you hire your family members. Sure its been used more broadly but only in the case where it is without regard to merit. You at no point address that caveat. The latin root of the word is 'nephew' so a latin to english translation would be nephewism. The reason why it is so reviled in American circles is because we were founded by rebelling against a dynastic monarchy replete with nobility.

Please show where he was forced to fire his brother.

 

[CCBoy]

And to think, all this time I thought nepotism was something akin to male breasts...

 

[Galian Beast]

It helps when you are going to make a claim that someone doesn't know what it means that you demonstrate that you instead understand. What you do here is bluster. Typical if not persuasive.

Nepotism is when you hire your family members. Sure its been used more broadly but only in the case where it is without regard to merit. You at no point address that caveat. The latin root of the word is 'nephew' so a latin to english translation would be nephewism. The reason why it is so reviled in American circles is because we were founded by rebelling against a dynastic monarchy replete with nobility.

Please show where he was forced to fire his brother.

His brother wasn't getting his job done, it was obvious, and he was forced to do the deed.

He has not only hired his family, but his old buddies who lack experience at this level. And I've demonstrated that.

It has wildly held this team back.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And I've demonstrated that.

Not anywhere I can see. He had been coaching at several NFL stops prior to coming here. Hearing you say it, one would think that he was just hired off the street with no experience. That is not the case.