Getting to Know Patrick Peterson

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Trade up to get him. He is to the defense what Dez was to offense. He could start immediately and amaze you in the process.

Totally stole that line from me but welcome to the club

 

[theogt]

Totally stole that line from me but welcome to the club

Been driving the Peterson bus here for a while. I've even said that exact quote before.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Been driving the Peterson bus here for a while. I've even said that exact quote before.

Basically the D needs someone who can, at whatever point its needed, hes just like "Alright you guys arent even...... I got this"



I think Robert Quinn is 90% in that mold as well.

 

[dbair1967]

Just my opinion, but Spencer being invisible this year has alot more to do with the defense being awful than just about anything else, even with the obvious holes at both safety spots and the inconsistent play at CB.

If he rushes the passer the way we all thought he would (and the way he consistently did the 2nd half of last yr) then we dont have alot of the issues we've had defensively. He's also regressed greatly vs the run and in coverage.

Whomever the new DC and HC are, they are going to have to study him in great detail. If they decide he is a JAG and is never going to pan out into a consistent threat at OLB, then OLB could easily be a priority in next years draft. And there are a number of really good 3-4 OLB prospects coming out.

 

[casmith07]

Trade up to get him. He is to the defense what Dez was to offense. He could start immediately and amaze you in the process.

Agree. If we're 6 or 7, and he's projected to go top 3-5, I would trade up to get him.

He is the closest thing we will find to a Charles Woodson this decade.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Luck - probably staying in school

Cincy - going to lose Jonathan Joseph in FA.

Denver - Bailey lost in Free agency.

Trying to hard to purposely let PP fall to Dallas' slot. Be realistic.

We also have to see the big picture here.....if we end up with the 7th or 8th pick, we could still end up with a very good DL and we could go after Joseph or Bailey in free agency.

I like Peterson as much as anyone and would trade up to get him, but if we could get Joseph or Bailey, getting a DL would be top on my list since there are no OL or safeties worth the pick.

 

[BAT]

Just my opinion, but Spencer being invisible this year has alot more to do with the defense being awful than just about anything else, even with the obvious holes at both safety spots and the inconsistent play at CB.

If he rushes the passer the way we all thought he would (and the way he consistently did the 2nd half of last yr) then we dont have alot of the issues we've had defensively. He's also regressed greatly vs the run and in coverage.

Whomever the new DC and HC are, they are going to have to study him in great detail. If they decide he is a JAG and is never going to pan out into a consistent threat at OLB, then OLB could easily be a priority in next years draft. And there are a number of really good 3-4 OLB prospects coming out.

I love Peterson too, but THIS is right on the money. Spencer is not the answer.

 

[Idgit]

Just my opinion, but Spencer being invisible this year has alot more to do with the defense being awful than just about anything else, even with the obvious holes at both safety spots and the inconsistent play at CB.

If he rushes the passer the way we all thought he would (and the way he consistently did the 2nd half of last yr) then we dont have alot of the issues we've had defensively. He's also regressed greatly vs the run and in coverage.

Whomever the new DC and HC are, they are going to have to study him in great detail. If they decide he is a JAG and is never going to pan out into a consistent threat at OLB, then OLB could easily be a priority in next years draft. And there are a number of really good 3-4 OLB prospects coming out.

Jerry implied in an interview a few weeks back that Spencer had been playing through some sort of significant injury most of this season. For whatever that's worth.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Hmmmm, another game to keep an eye on. Cincy against SD, if Cincy wins and the Chargers are eliminated then that means SD might not show up week 17 against Denver.

Houston is without Andre Johnson and the Texans play a Tebow'd up Denver today.

And if Baltimore is locked into their seed they might not show up against Cincy week 17.



All the teams ahead of us are actually set up so no poorly. Not all will go our way but if it breaks at about an average rate we should be at like #4.



And if it breaks even better we can actually trade down 1 spot and still get Peterson. Couldnt you see Washington, SF, or Arizona getting antsy about Cam Newton?

If we can trade down 1 spot, pick up a 3rd, and get Patrick Peterson it would make having Marc Colombo start 15 games worth it

 

[ajk23az]

Won't make it past 3, especially cause Lucks staying in school. Plus I don't think he's that special. Rather trade down.

Two quality linemen+ Kenny Tate>>>>>>>>>> Peterson.

Not a chance Luck stays in school, especially when he is projected to be the #1 pick. NOT. A. CHANCE.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Not a chance Luck stays in school, especially when he is projected to be the #1 pick. NOT. A. CHANCE.

On top of that, Harbaugh may get an NFL coaching job. Realistically Stanford cannot pay him what he's worth, and he really just needs to decide if he wants to be a college coach (else where) or a pro coach (wait for right opportunity).

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Problem is that Carolina doesnt way to pay what Harbaugh will command so the Luck/Harbough re-teaming in the NFL might be a pipe-dream

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Problem is that Carolina doesnt way to pay what Harbaugh will command so the Luck/Harbough re-teaming in the NFL might be a pipe-dream

based on what? everyone says their owner is cheap, but I disagree. when carolina has had a good team, he has paid players. The only good player they have let go, is really Julius Peppers. Kris Jenkins kept getting hurt, so they cut him, and I can't say they regret that.

As far as paying Harbaugh, they are paying John Fox 5 million per year. Jim Harbaugh currently has 4 years at 1.25 million left on his Stanford contract, so he would certainly get a huge amount more from Carolina (about the value of the rest of his contract).

For Harbaugh I think he'll either coach at Michigan next year or Carolina

 

[ajk23az]

based on what? everyone says their owner is cheap, but I disagree. when carolina has had a good team, he has paid players. The only good player they have let go, is really Julius Peppers. Kris Jenkins kept getting hurt, so they cut him, and I can't say they regret that.

As far as paying Harbaugh, they are paying John Fox 5 million per year. Jim Harbaugh currently has 4 years at 1.25 million left on his Stanford contract, so he would certainly get a huge amount more from Carolina (about the value of the rest of his contract).

For Harbaugh I think he'll either coach at Michigan next year or Carolina

They also paid Chris Gamble 6 yr / 50 million. Making him one of the highest paid CBs in the league.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

based on what? everyone says their owner is cheap, but I disagree. when carolina has had a good team, he has paid players. The only good player they have let go, is really Julius Peppers. Kris Jenkins kept getting hurt, so they cut him, and I can't say they regret that.

As far as paying Harbaugh, they are paying John Fox 5 million per year. Jim Harbaugh currently has 4 years at 1.25 million left on his Stanford contract, so he would certainly get a huge amount more from Carolina (about the value of the rest of his contract).

For Harbaugh I think he'll either coach at Michigan next year or Carolina

Harbough has a lot of options. Carolina wont outbid Michigan or say Houston.

They have to pay Fox $5M a year and Harbough $6M-$7M

 

[JBS]

Harbough has a lot of options. Carolina wont outbid Michigan or say Houston.

They have to pay Fox $5M a year and Harbough $6M-$7M

are you a Peterson at CB or safety guy?

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

are you a Peterson at CB or safety guy?

I plug him in at FS on day 1 and watch him work.

If you start him at CB then you still have this monster hole at safety that by looking at the FA list and the draft board will be hard to fill.


Then by his 2nd year Newman should be about done so you can move him to CB and see whats out there at safety between AOA, the draft, trades, and FA.

 

[JBS]

I plug him in at FS on day 1 and watch him work.

If you start him at CB then you still have this monster hole at safety that by looking at the FA list and the draft board will be hard to fill.


Then by his 2nd year Newman should be about done so you can move him to CB and see whats out there at safety between AOA, the draft, trades, and FA.

who are we rooting for at 1pm? for strength of schedule purposes..i can figure out the w/l teams lol

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Harbough has a lot of options. Carolina wont outbid Michigan or say Houston.

They have to pay Fox $5M a year and Harbough $6M-$7M

Fox's contract is up, so they won't be paying him. On top of that, Michigan is only paying Rich Rodriguez 2.5 million per year (on the hook till 2014), so it's unlikely they outbid an nfl team. you could argue that denver, houston or some other team outbids carolina, but it's hard for him to find a better situation. Pretty decent o-line, especially if Ryan Kali resigns, 2 good RBs and the #1 pick in the draft. You'll have to completely rebuild the defense, but that's a potentially dominant core on offense.

 

[SDogo]

who are we rooting for at 1pm? for strength of schedule purposes..i can figure out the w/l teams lol

Bears over Jets
Bills over Patriots
Browns over Ravens
49ers over Rams
Chiefs over Titans
Lions over Dolphins
Skins over Jaguars
Texans over Broncos (although if you think the Broncos can win their last 2 you can root for the Broncos)
Bengals over Chargers
Raiders over Colts
Tampa Bay over Seattle
Packers over Giants
Vikings over Eagles
Falcons over Saints