Giants coaches made the difference; Cowboys 2007 coaching staff was inferior

[coogrfan]

The Giants played superbly, thanks to their coaches.

Those coaches did was Wade and his crew couldn't do: motivate and adjust when the offense sputtered down the line and into the playoffs.

And if the Cowboys had wandered into the Super Bow, as good as their personnel are, with Wade and his bunch, I don't think it would have been a win.

Why? Again, no fiery, game-adjusting leadership

The Patriots' vulnerabilities tonight were real; the fire-breathing, swaggering Giants, with their superb coaches, just came coming like wild horses tonight.

The Cowboys will face a lot of work with this Giants crew that no believes in its inflated self. They do a lot with limited resources. But they are MOTIVATED.

I cannot wait for the Garrett-Capers era to begin in earnest.

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Oh, for God's sake...

If the Giants' coaches were so much smarter, so clearly superior as motivators of young men, how did they manage to lose to the Cowboys twice by double digit scores during the regular season?

 

[tyke1doe]

Oh, for God's sake...

If the Giants' coaches were so much smarter, so clearly superior as motivators of young men, how did they manage to lose to the Cowboys twice by double digit scores during the regular season?

You mean a superior, smart coach isn't suppose to lose a game?

 

[coogrfan]

You mean a superior, smart coach isn't suppose to lose a game?

One game? Sure. Two in one season (and three in a row going back to last year)? If the Giants staff truly were as superior to the Boys coaching staff as the o/p seems to think, that shouldn't have happened.

The Giants got on a hot streak down the stretch. Good for them, but let's not deify them for that. They're still the same team we spanked twice, that got dismantled by the Packers, and got absolutely destroyed by the Vikes.

 

[Doomsday101]

One game? Sure. Two in one season (and three in a row going back to last year)? If the Giants staff truly were as superior to the Boys coaching staff as the o/p seems to think, that shouldn't have happened.

The Giants got on a hot streak down the stretch. Good for them, but let's not deify them for that. They're still the same team we spanked twice, that got dismantled by the Packers, and got absolutely destroyed by the Vikes.

Well evidently this was the 1st season in a while that Coughlin became such a great coach the last few season not many were claiming his grand wisdom but now his team has won the SB so many will talk about his greatness and how Wade is just some dumb hick.

 

[coogrfan]

Well evidently this was the 1st season in a while that Coughlin became such a great coach the last few season not many were claiming his grand wisdom but now his team has won the SB so many will talk about his greatness and how Wade is just some dumb hick.

Exactly. The same "logic" is being applied to Eli as well.

 

[tyke1doe]

One game? Sure. Two in one season (and three in a row going back to last year)? If the Giants staff truly were as superior to the Boys coaching staff as the o/p seems to think, that shouldn't have happened.

The Giants got on a hot streak down the stretch. Good for them, but let's not deify them for that. They're still the same team we spanked twice, that got dismantled by the Packers, and got absolutely destroyed by the Vikes.

There's coaching for the regular season, and then there's coaching in the playoffs.

There are two different mindsets. Apparently, the Cowboys coaches don't understand what it takes to prepare their team to win in the playoffs, and the Giants coaches do.

This discussion is reminiscent of the Pats 16-0 argument. Yes, they are the greatest regular season team ever - in terms of record. But what good is that when they lost the Super Bowl?

The Patriots beat the Giants to go 16-0. Whoop dee doo!

The Giants players said they didn't show everything to the Pats during that game. (Hence, the Giants coaches were ultimately preparing for a possible rematch.)

So when it really counted, the Giants whipped the Pats.

Coughlin outcoached Belichick, as he did Gruden and Captain Cupcake and Boy Wonder.

So you can take solace in the fact that the Cowboys coaches are better winning regular season games and sweeping the series against the Giants. Meanwhile, the Giants are wearing rings on their fingers this year, and we are not.

Don't deceive yourself. When playoff time comes, players and coaches have to take it to another level. The Cowboys and their coaches did not.

But at least we beat them twice in the regular season.

 

[tyke1doe]

Well evidently this was the 1st season in a while that Coughlin became such a great coach the last few season not many were claiming his grand wisdom but now his team has won the SB so many will talk about his greatness and how Wade is just some dumb hick.

No one is saying he's great. Neither are we saying Wade is a hick.

Every season brings new results. Wade may adjust and become a better coach.

All we're saying (or all I'm saying) is that THIS YEAR the Giants coaches were better than our coaches when it mattered most - in the playoffs.

 

[Doomsday101]

There's coaching for the regular season, and then there's coaching in the playoffs.

There are two different mindsets. Apparently, the Cowboys coaches don't understand what it takes to prepare their team to win in the playoffs, and the Giants coaches do.

This discussion is reminiscent of the Pats 16-0 argument. Yes, they are the greatest regular season team ever - in terms of record. But what good is that when they lose the Super Bowl.

The Patriots beat the Giants to go 16-0. Whoop dee doo!

The Giants players said they didn't show everything to the Pats during that game. (Hence, the Giants coaches were ultimately preparing for a possible rematch.)

So when it really counted, the Giants whipped the Pats.

Coughlin outcoached Belichick, as he did Gruden and Captain Cupcake and Boy Wonder.

So you can take solace in the fact that the Cowboys coaches are better winning regular season games and sweeping the series against the Giants. Meanwhile, the Giants are wearing rings on their fingers this year, and we are not.

Don't deceive yourself. When playoff time comes, players and coaches have to take it to another level. The Cowboys and their coaches did not.

But at least we beat them twice in the regular season.

And yet it was coughlin heading into this season whose job was being questioned because of the Giants failures in post season. Not many were defending the greatness of Tom Coughlin reg season or post season.

 

[coogrfan]

There's coaching for the regular season, and then there's coaching in the playoffs.

There are two different mindsets. Apparently, the Cowboys coaches don't understand what it takes to prepare their team to win in the playoffs, and the Giants coaches do.

This discussion is reminiscent of the Pats 16-0 argument. Yes, they are the greatest regular season team ever - in terms of record. But what good is that when they lost the Super Bowl?

The Patriots beat the Giants to go 16-0. Whoop dee doo!

The Giants players said they didn't show everything to the Pats during that game. (Hence, the Giants coaches were ultimately preparing for a possible rematch.)

So when it really counted, the Giants whipped the Pats.

Coughlin outcoached Belichick, as he did Gruden and Captain Cupcake and Boy Wonder.

So you can take solace in the fact that the Cowboys coaches are better winning regular season games and sweeping the series against the Giants. Meanwhile, the Giants are wearing rings on their fingers this year, and we are not.

Don't deceive yourself. When playoff time comes, players and coaches have to take it to another level. The Cowboys and their coaches did not.

But at least we beat them twice in the regular season.

Did they really? Or did the Giants players, especially the front seven, simply play better down the stretch than they had earlier, thereby making their coaches look smarter?

You seem to be saying that anytime a team gets beat they were outcoached. I'm suggesting that it ain't that simple.

 

[Doomsday101]

No one is saying he's great. Neither are we saying Wade is a hick.

Every season brings new results. Wade may adjust and become a better coach.

All we're saying (or all I'm saying) is that THIS YEAR the Giants coaches were better than our coaches when it mattered most - in the playoffs.

I fully believe in giving coaches credit for wins and blame for loses but the players still play the major role of going out and executing and when I see our guys not executing then I put it on the players I saw nothing wrong with the Dallas game plan I saw a lot wrong with player execution in the post-season as in penalties and dropped passes. No doubt Wade and his staff are also accountable but in the end coaches can only do so much these players are being paid very well better than the coaches to go out and execute and they did not do that.

 

[coogrfan]

I fully believe in giving coaches credit for wins and blame for loses but the players still play the major role of going out and executing and when I see our guys not executing then I put it on the players I saw nothing wrong with the Dallas game plan I saw a lot wrong with player execution in the post-season as in penalties and dropped passes. No doubt Wade and his staff are also accountable but in the end coaches can only do so much these players are being paid very well better than the coaches to go out and execute and they did not do that.

Or as our last coach used to say, " I don't coach penalties".

 

[Doomsday101]

Or as our last coach used to say, " I don't coach penalties".

I just know when I played football if I jumped offside’s or committed a penalty I did not look at the coach as if he screw up I blamed myself because I knew I had done it and I was the only one who could stop it. Now a coach could bench a player for doing it but then how smart would the coach be to bench say Flo because he jumped offside’s or Colombo because he did the same or was caught holding? These guys have been playing this game long enough to know what they are doing and when they screwed up and to a large extent it is up to them to stop it.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I just know when I played football if I jumped offside’s or committed a penalty I did not look at the coach as if he screw up I blamed myself because I knew I had done it and I was the only one who could stop it. Now a coach could bench a player for doing it but then how smart would the coach be to bench say Flo because he jumped offside’s or Colombo because he did the same or was caught holding? These guys have been playing this game long enough to know what they are doing and when they screwed up and to a large extent it is up to them to stop it.

Exactly. It's about time fans, and players alike, start taking responsibility for their own mental mistakes. There is only so much a coach can do to make a guy stop jumping off sides, getting false starts or holding penalties at bad times, and to catch the ball, rather than dropping it, at key moments.

 

[Doomsday101]

Exactly. It's about time fans, and players alike, start taking responsibility for their own mental mistakes. There is only so much a coach can do to make a guy stop jumping off sides, getting false starts or holding penalties at bad times, and to catch the ball, rather than dropping it, at key moments.

Yep. Short of benching a guy what can a coach do to stop that player from doing it? As I said if Wade benches Flo and Romo is getting killed because of it how did that help anything. It is on Flo to maintain his concentration the coach can't do that for you.

 

[HTownCowboysFan]

LOL.

So, what about those 2 games we beat these geniuses by double digits?

The Giants got hot at the right time. They beat us, GB, and won the SB - props to them.

 

[tyke1doe]

And yet it was coughlin heading into this season whose job was being questioned because of the Giants failures in post season. Not many were defending the greatness of Tom Coughlin reg season or post season.

Who's defending the greatness of Tom Coughlin?

All I'm saying is that he got his team prepared for THIS post season.

Greatness is measured by repeated success.

 

[tyke1doe]

Did they really? Or did the Giants players, especially the front seven, simply play better down the stretch than they had earlier, thereby making their coaches look smarter?

You seem to be saying that anytime a team gets beat they were outcoached. I'm suggesting that it ain't that simple.

I'm not segregating coaching from the mix. You seem to be doing that.

So how is it that this team wasn't doing it at the beginning of the year, yet began to do it at the end of the year?

How is it that this team - that got beat by the Cowboys twice - stepped up their game and beat the Cowboys?

You don't think coaching had anything to do with that? You think that's just all the players?

No. Spagnola (spelling?) used different stuns with just four rushers to frustrate Brady. He started to blitz Romo more in the second half after his players told him that T.O. wasn't his old self.

That, my friend, is coaching.

You have to have the talent to execute it. But the coaches have to be smart enough to put their players in a position to win.

 

[tyke1doe]

I fully believe in giving coaches credit for wins and blame for loses but the players still play the major role of going out and executing and when I see our guys not executing then I put it on the players I saw nothing wrong with the Dallas game plan I saw a lot wrong with player execution in the post-season as in penalties and dropped passes. No doubt Wade and his staff are also accountable but in the end coaches can only do so much these players are being paid very well better than the coaches to go out and execute and they did not do that.

I agree. But there's a reason Jimmy Johnson's teams rarely made mental mistakes and turnovers.

There's a reason why the Giants went from one of the worst teams in being penalized last year to not being as penalized this year.

There's a reason why the Patriots don't turn the ball over as much.

And that has to do with coaching and the tone the coaches set in what they will and will not tolerate.

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree. But there's a reason Jimmy Johnson's teams rarely made mental mistakes and turnovers.

There's a reason why the Giants went from one of the worst teams in being penalized last year to not being as penalized this year.

There's a reason why the Patriots don't turn the ball over as much.

And that has to do with coaching and the tone the coaches set in what they will and will not tolerate.

But in the end the player either does it or not. Coughlin did spend all season talking to his team about turnover yet Manning still had more ints than TD on the season but yes towards the end of the season heading into the playoffs Manning did a great job of avoiding those mistakes but in the end it was Manning who controls what Manning does. As I said I'm not saying coaches do not play a part but in the end other than harping on it constantly or flat out benching a player the player himself must go out and do the job. In this day and age of salary caps coaches just can't go cutting a player in mid-season the team could not afford the cap hit. Hell we all know Flo will jump offsides other than harping on it what can any coach do? Bench him and leave the QB exposed? Flo has a job to do and staying focused is part of that job and no coach can do it for the player

 

[Nors]

Ironically Coughlin beat the Pats with the BP gameplan. Control the clock, run the ball and keep the game close going into 4th and you have a shot at it.