Giant's TD with 33 seconds left

[ChrisL97]

Nobody is talking about the coaching mistake on the Giant's last TD before overtime. From midfield, with 33 seconds left and no timeout, you have to protect two things: the sideline and the end zone. We had both lbs in a base defense covering the back and the tight end coming out for short passes. You pull the lbs, bring in two more dbs and let them catch everything short to intermediate and tackle them inbounds. You don't give them anything to the sideline (remember Aaron Rodgers and 3rd and 27?). You most certainly don't let a receiver get over the top of you and into the end zone.

 

[ShiningStar]

Nobody is talking about the coaching mistake on the Giant's last TD before overtime. From midfield, with 33 seconds left and no timeout, you have to protect two things: the sideline and the end zone. We had both lbs in a base defense covering the back and the tight end coming out for short passes. You pull the lbs, bring in two more dbs and let them catch everything short to intermediate and tackle them inbounds. You don't give them anything to the sideline (remember Aaron Rodgers and 3rd and 27?). You most certainly don't let a receiver get over the top of you and into the end zone.

The Giant coaches were confused. Luckily our coaches were smart, instead of going to Lamb, we tricked them. Fortuntely Aubrey bailed us out, but most teams would try their best WR's, but we were smarter. The Giants did not expect us to go dumb and pray the Kicker would hit the FG. You cant account for that.

 

[gimmesix]

Nobody is talking about the coaching mistake on the Giant's last TD before overtime. From midfield, with 33 seconds left and no timeout, you have to protect two things: the sideline and the end zone. We had both lbs in a base defense covering the back and the tight end coming out for short passes. You pull the lbs, bring in two more dbs and let them catch everything short to intermediate and tackle them inbounds. You don't give them anything to the sideline (remember Aaron Rodgers and 3rd and 27?). You most certainly don't let a receiver get over the top of you and into the end zone.

Eberflus trusts his zone. Nabers had two defenders on him and he beat both of them. Maybe if we had dropped the safety all the way back that would have been the way to go, but we were playing coverage, we just covered poorly.

 

[ChrisL97]

Eberflus trusts his zone. Nabers had two defenders on him and he beat both of them. Maybe if we had dropped the safety all the way back that would have been the way to go, but we were playing coverage, we just covered poorly.

you missed the point of the post. no need to trust your zone at that point. even if it's the best zone in the history of the nfl. you play the clock. you play the percentages. you play to not get beat by the only way you can get beat with 33 seconds left.

 

[jblaze2004]

Nobody is talking about the coaching mistake on the Giant's last TD before overtime. From midfield, with 33 seconds left and no timeout, you have to protect two things: the sideline and the end zone. We had both lbs in a base defense covering the back and the tight end coming out for short passes. You pull the lbs, bring in two more dbs and let them catch everything short to intermediate and tackle them inbounds. You don't give them anything to the sideline (remember Aaron Rodgers and 3rd and 27?). You most certainly don't let a receiver get over the top of you and into the end zone.

This defense is bad. IDK if its the scheme, players or both but man. I just don't think this is a zone team. We can't have Wilson playing far off the ball in coverage. That isn't what he is good at and why we gave him the contract we gave him. He needs to be used near the LOS. Wilson seems to forget he is a safety. He constantly let guys get even and past him. As a safety in deep zone coverage no one on the offense is supposed to be deeper than you.

 

[DandyDon52]

This defense is bad. IDK if its the scheme, players or both but man. I just don't think this is a zone team. We can't have Wilson playing far off the ball in coverage. That isn't what he is good at and why we gave him the contract we gave him. He needs to be used near the LOS. Wilson seems to forget he is a safety. He constantly let guys get even and past him. As a safety in deep zone coverage no one on the offense is supposed to be deeper than you.

lol that is the whole idea of a safety isnt it?? To be safe from deep passes.
Eberflus is an idiot who might just ruin this season.

 

[gimmesix]

you missed the point of the post. no need to trust your zone at that point. even if it's the best zone in the history of the nfl. you play the clock. you play the percentages. you play to not get beat by the only way you can get beat with 33 seconds left.

I understand. I would have had a safety standing in the end zone after getting beat by so many deep passes. I'm saying what I believe about Eberflus's mind-set: He believes his zone already is supposed to protect against the deep passes. It's supposed to be bend but don't break, but it kept breaking. Instead of adjusting because his players were failing to play it right, he just kept expecting them to play it right. ... If it was played right, though, it is supposed to protect against deep passes and force teams to throw underneath.

 

[ChrisL97]

lol that is the whole idea of a safety isnt it?? To be safe from deep passes.
Eberflus is an idiot who might just ruin this season.

early signs are that he doesn't know situational football. He's not Nolan bad, but he's no Dan Quinn either

 

[Kwyn]

you missed the point of the post. no need to trust your zone at that point. even if it's the best zone in the history of the nfl. you play the clock. you play the percentages. you play to not get beat by the only way you can get beat with 33 seconds left.

Would you have called a time out? Did we have one?

I would have to go back to look but if the giants weren’t substituting, how do your change four players and set the defense with the giants at the los?

Was there already a timeout called?

 

[reddyuta]

Zone D won't work if your Safeties are painfully slow,RW knew he wouldn't have to worry about our safeties coming for help.

 

[ChrisL97]

Would you have called a time out? Did we have one?

I would have to go back to look but if the giants weren’t substituting, how do your change four players and set the defense with the giants at the los?

Was there already a timeout called?

Wilson scrambled for 15 yards to midfield and the Giants used their last timeout. We also had 3 timeouts left to talk strategy.

 

[Kwyn]

Wilson scrambled for 15 yards to midfield and the Giants used their last timeout

Got it. There was a timeout so we had time. Thanks

 

[ChrisL97]

Got it. There was a timeout so we had time. Thanks

we also had all 3 of ours

 

[805BoysInBlue]

Nobody is talking about the coaching mistake on the Giant's last TD before overtime. From midfield, with 33 seconds left and no timeout, you have to protect two things: the sideline and the end zone. We had both lbs in a base defense covering the back and the tight end coming out for short passes. You pull the lbs, bring in two more dbs and let them catch everything short to intermediate and tackle them inbounds. You don't give them anything to the sideline (remember Aaron Rodgers and 3rd and 27?). You most certainly don't let a receiver get over the top of you and into the end zone.

This moron coordinator is just like Maranelli. Hes arrogant and stubborn. He dosent adjust and won't ever dial up a blitz. Get ready to get smoked all season long if the front 4 do t get there

 

[jblaze2004]

Also we cannot get pressure just from the front 4. We need to start doing some creative blitzes. Can't be just sitting back rushing 4 knowing the QB is going to have all day to pick the secondary zone coverage apart.

Also I was watching some of the dline stunts. YUCK. Some of the stunts took a couple seconds just for the DE and DT to long loop around each other. Like you are just helping the oline and QB with these long developing stunts.

Could it be the players? Maybe. Sam Williams and Fowler aren't starting caliber guys. They are role players being forced into the starting job.

A good coach would figure that out and adjust the defense and play calling especially on money downs.

Another thing the dline when they are stunting seems to be easily pushed out the way or 2 guys end up in one gap. The film is bad. This defense has a lot of work to do.

 

[Carson]

This defense is bad. IDK if its the scheme, players or both but man. I just don't think this is a zone team. We can't have Wilson playing far off the ball in coverage. That isn't what he is good at and why we gave him the contract we gave him. He needs to be used near the LOS. Wilson seems to forget he is a safety. He constantly let guys get even and past him. As a safety in deep zone coverage no one on the offense is supposed to be deeper than you.

It’s the scheme

- Rush only 4 without an elite pass rusher
- Linebackers asked to cover that aren’t good in coverage
- Zone defense with man coverage corners
- Safeties that aren’t suited for single high coverage (Wilson).

 

[Jarntt]

Nobody is talking about the coaching mistake on the Giant's last TD before overtime. From midfield, with 33 seconds left and no timeout, you have to protect two things: the sideline and the end zone. We had both lbs in a base defense covering the back and the tight end coming out for short passes. You pull the lbs, bring in two more dbs and let them catch everything short to intermediate and tackle them inbounds. You don't give them anything to the sideline (remember Aaron Rodgers and 3rd and 27?). You most certainly don't let a receiver get over the top of you and into the end zone.

I disagree. With 30 seconds left and no timeouts from your own 37 and needing a TD because you are down 4 I don't care anywhere near as much about the sideline as I do the end zone. Not that I am unaware of it or not reminding my players to not let them get out of bounds obviously, but I prefer them to try and throw 5 to 8 yard passes all day there and when you focus too much on the sideline you often give up that chunk play. The End Zone is what you protect and any deep chunk pass that allows you to run up and spike it at let's say the Cowboy 20 or so. Wilson on the field as a deep cover safety is a travesty and has been for years. You make him a LBer in that situation, fine, but the guy should never see a 3rd and long as deep cover and anyone who has watched this team for the last 5 years knows that. When will a DC finally make this change...

 

[John813]

It’s the scheme

- Rush only 4 without an elite pass rusher
- Linebackers asked to cover that aren’t good in coverage
- Zone defense with man coverage corners
- Safeties that aren’t suited for single high coverage (Wilson).

And it's not like we have rangy safeties behind Hooker and Wilson.

I liked Thomas out of GT, but he struggled in college when asked to play single high/deep coverage. Now of course GT was a tire fire defensively when he was there, so he was asked to do a lot, but still, not something he excelled at. He was better around the LOS.
Bell, hard to say, but to me Quinn used him at LB as a need/best of what we got, so I'm curious too on his overall coverage range.

 

[jujoboys]

lol that is the whole idea of a safety isnt it?? To be safe from deep passes.
Eberflus is an idiot who might just ruin this season.

Jayden Daniels beat a team last year with a Hail Mary pass at the end of the game. That team was the Chicago Bears who were being coached by this dope of a DC we have. There should never be an instance where you allow WRs to get behind your defense. Those safeties should have been playing back to prevent that from happening.

 

[Rayman70]

That was poor coverage. Not a coaching issue. The pass btw had to be perfect and it was. Sometimes you gotta tip your hat to the other team. Russ was feeling it, in a zone. Not sure we could have done much on this particular play.