Gimme defenders

[gimmesix]

I've been kind of torn (and still am to an extent) about what Dallas should do in the draft ... and probably will change my mind based on free agency. But here's what I've settled on for now.

1) DE Joey Bosa

Bosa is consistently rated from 1 to 6 in this draft and there's good reason why. He's great at using his hands, makes quick shifts in direction and bursts to the QB with power when he shakes free. My second option would be Jalen Ramsey. I'm OK with Jared Goff or Carson Wentz, but neither are consistently rated as high as Bosa/Ramsey.

2) DT Vernon Butler

I'd take QB Paxton Lynch or DT Andrew Billings if they were available, but I really want to take advatnage of this deep group of DTs while there are first-round worthy ones still on the board.

3) RB Alex Collins

WR Braxton Miller might also be an option here if he's still around.

4) QB Jacoby Brissett

Lots to work with here in trying to develop a QB behind Romo before we absolutely have to spend a first-rounder on one.

4) FB Glenn Gronkowski

We really need to upgrade this position if we're going to use it and Gronkowski is essentially a tight end with a fullback's buiild

I'm not going to even try mocking the last few picks because it usually gets crazy after the fourth round.

 

[texbumthelife]

I've been kind of torn (and still am to an extent) about what Dallas should do in the draft ... and probably will change my mind based on free agency. But here's what I've settled on for now.

1) DE Joey Bosa

Bosa is consistently rated from 1 to 6 in this draft and there's good reason why. He's great at using his hands, makes quick shifts in direction and bursts to the QB with power when he shakes free. My second option would be Jalen Ramsey. I'm OK with Jared Goff or Carson Wentz, but neither are consistently rated as high as Bosa/Ramsey.

2) DT Vernon Butler

I'd take QB Paxton Lynch or DT Andrew Billings if they were available, but I really want to take advatnage of this deep group of DTs while there are first-round worthy ones still on the board.

3) RB Alex Collins

WR Braxton Miller might also be an option here if he's still around.

4) QB Jacoby Brissett

Lots to work with here in trying to develop a QB behind Romo before we absolutely have to spend a first-rounder on one.

4) FB Glenn Gronkowski

We really need to upgrade this position if we're going to use it and Gronkowski is essentially a tight end with a fullback's buiild

I'm not going to even try mocking the last few picks because it usually gets crazy after the fourth round.

You and I may be the only two people here who actually want Bosa and see his value.

 

[Hardline]

I like your draft. I don't love it. But it's solid.

 

[AzorAhai]

You and I may be the only two people here who actually want Bosa and see his value.

I have him highly rated on my board and think he will be a very good player. I just so happen to have QBs highly rated as well and would prefer to go that route is all

It seems a lot of people here fall in love with "their" guy and resort to bashing other similarly rated players in hopes of convincing everyone they are right about them. Bosa and Ramsey are those guys this year it seems

 

[tm1119]

No need to beat a dead horse on "developing" QB's...but disagree with your 4th round pick.

Also, little Gronk only had 10 catches the past 2 years...not sure that quite qualifies him as "essentially a te"

Would walk away very happy with your 1st 3 picks though. Nothing to complain about there

 

[texbumthelife]

I have him highly rated on my board and think he will be a very good player. I just so happen to have QBs highly rated as well and would prefer to go that route is all

It seems a lot of people here fall in love with "their" guy and resort to bashing other similarly rated players in hopes of convincing everyone they are right about them. Bosa and Ramsey are those guys this year it seems

Gotta love that whole, "if you disagree with me you don't know anything about football" crowd. They certainly love themselves...

 

[AzorAhai]

Gotta love that whole, "if you disagree with me you don't know anything about football" crowd. They certainly love themselves...

Whats really funny is professional scouts disagree on guys all the time. Five scouts can watch a player and all see something different. On here though you're a football idiot if you disagree on evaluations.

 

[Chuck 54]

You had me with the first two picks, but then you went offense instead of CB.....sorry.

 

[texbumthelife]

Whats really funny is professional scouts disagree on guys all the time. Five scouts can watch a player and all see something different. On here though you're a football idiot if you disagree on evaluations.

And most scouts are still historically wrong at a high rate when it comes to the NFL draft.

 

[conner01]

And most scouts are still historically wrong at a high rate when it comes to the NFL draft.

It is far from an exact science
That's what's so funny when fans make claims about a guy being a star or a bust before they ever play
If it was that easy there wouldn't be so many guys drafted who fail in the nfl

 

[Risen Star]

Give me defenders.

~posts mock with more offensive players~

 

[JoeyBoy718]

You and I may be the only two people here who actually want Bosa and see his value.

I'm coming around to the idea. I used to be all on the QB train. I still am. I've been on it for a few years. I thought we should've taken Bridgewater. That being said, one thing I'd be okay with if we don't go the QB route is two DL in the first two rounds. I think we really have a shot to build a young, potentially dominant DL in this draft. I think there are two DEs that can make an impact (SDE Bosa and WDE Spence) along with a bunch of DTs (both 1-tech and 3-tech).

If we don't go Wentz/Goff in the 1st, I'd be happy with any combo of:

1) Bosa at #4, the best 1-tech at #34, the DL for 2016 is Lawrence/Crawford/rookie/Bosa.

2) Possible trade back to get Spence and a 1-tech, the DL for 2016 is Spence/Crawford/rookie/Lawrence.

3) Possible trade back and get the best 1-tech/3-tech duo we can, the DL for 2016 is Lawrence/rookie/rookie/Crawford.

You notice I didn't list Gregory. I think we should use him as our Bruce Irvin for now. Move him around and find mismatches. But we need to get bigger on the DL. We're probably the smallest DL in the league.

And I'd be okay with kicking T. Craw back out to SDE if we can get a beast 3-tech like Rankins or Nkemdiche. Also wouldn't mind pairing them with a 1-tech like Billings, Buter or Robinson.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Whats really funny is professional scouts disagree on guys all the time. Five scouts can watch a player and all see something different. On here though you're a football idiot if you disagree on evaluations.

The usual approach after disagreement is a series of logical fallacies including personal attacks and appeals to authority via experience or something else completely subjective without reasonable grounding in actuality.

Or the I watched the tape on a player which consisted of 5 or so games over a given players career on the internet and thus have seen it all.

When most of the reputable scouts agree on the top 5 or a given prospect, that at least allows for some perspective to those with limited ability for thorough and exhaustive evaluation.

It is fine to disagree, most of the best scouts do so on some of the top prospects but usually they are not personally attacking one another over the point of disagreement as ego driven posters sometimes do.

Bosa is a top prospect in this draft, I think Brugler said it best that although he is not the elite edge rusher you covet in the top 5, he is very disruptive and collapses the pocket with his rush.

He views Bosa as able to play either side and kick inside at times but as the rest of us know, they need to address the interior for any of these ends to have a chance.

Bosa has his warts as well, sack production and lack of elite edge speed being the most prominent.

What I have found, anyone can poke holes in any of these top 5-6 prospects for various reasons, it ultimately will be what the Cowboys value at pick #4 that matters in the end.

 

[AzorAhai]

I'm coming around to the idea. I used to be all on the QB train. I still am. I've been on it for a few years. I thought we should've taken Bridgewater. That being said, one thing I'd be okay with if we don't go the QB route is two DL in the first two rounds. I think we really have a shot to build a young, potentially dominant DL in this draft. I think there are two DEs that can make an impact (SDE Bosa and WDE Spence) along with a bunch of DTs (both 1-tech and 3-tech).

If we don't go Wentz/Goff in the 1st, I'd be happy with any combo of:

1) Bosa at #4, the best 1-tech at #34, the DL for 2016 is Lawrence/Crawford/rookie/Bosa.

2) Possible trade back to get Spence and a 1-tech, the DL for 2016 is Spence/Crawford/rookie/Lawrence.

3) Possible trade back and get the best 1-tech/3-tech duo we can, the DL for 2016 is Lawrence/rookie/rookie/Crawford.

You notice I didn't list Gregory. I think we should use him as our Bruce Irvin for now. Move him around and find mismatches. But we need to get bigger on the DL. We're probably the smallest DL in the league.

And I'd be okay with kicking T. Craw back out to SDE if we can get a beast 3-tech like Rankins or Nkemdiche. Also wouldn't mind pairing them with a 1-tech like Billings, Buter or Robinson.

While I'm ok with those plans if and only if they don't like the QBs, I wouldn't count on Gregory to contribute whatsoever in any fashion. Not anymore than the Browns should count on J. Gordon to contribute. Unfortunately he has established a pattern of lacking self control. Anything he provides will be a bonus at this point unless/until he proves he can stay off the suspension list.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

While I'm ok with those plans if and only if they don't like the QBs, I wouldn't count on Gregory to contribute whatsoever in any fashion. Not anymore than the Browns should count on J. Gordon to contribute. Unfortunately he has established a pattern of lacking self control. Anything he provides will be a bonus at this point unless/until he proves he can stay off the suspension list.

That's why I think we need to draft two DL early. Our future line will be Lawrence, Crawford and the two rookies.

 

[JIMMYBUFFETT]

You and I may be the only two people here who actually want Bosa and see his value.

Make me #3. I think he's the best defensive player in the draft.

 

[AzorAhai]

That's why I think we need to draft two DL early. Our future line will be Lawrence, Crawford and the two rookies.

I would be ok with it if the QBs don't grade out, but thats still drafting with an eye towards the future. A rookie DT could probably contribute well, but I wouldn't expect much from a rookie DE.

What I would like to see is a draft pick, maybe not even a premium pick, at DE with a veteran presence added in FA. I would really like Super Mario if he's cut on a deal similar to what Ware got in Denver. 3 for 25-30 with enough guaranteed to get out after 2 if needed might be enough. He was playing way out of position in Ryans 3-4 and I think he could really turn it back on in a 4-3 as a nice stop gap. Vernon is probably going to be too expensive, even if he hits FA.

 

[YosemiteSam]

You and I may be the only two people here who actually want Bosa and see his value.

 

[texbumthelife]

You're on a roll today, brother.

 

[gimmesix]

Give me defenders.

~posts mock with more offensive players~

Fair enough. I guess I should have said Gimme impact defenders. After those first two picks, I'm more than willing to settle our issues at backup RB, developmental QB and fullback.