Gimme defenders

[gimmesix]

I would be ok with it if the QBs don't grade out, but thats still drafting with an eye towards the future. A rookie DT could probably contribute well, but I wouldn't expect much from a rookie DE.

What I would like to see is a draft pick, maybe not even a premium pick, at DE with a veteran presence added in FA. I would really like Super Mario if he's cut on a deal similar to what Ware got in Denver. 3 for 25-30 with enough guaranteed to get out after 2 if needed might be enough. He was playing way out of position in Ryans 3-4 and I think he could really turn it back on in a 4-3 as a nice stop gap. Vernon is probably going to be too expensive, even if he hits FA.

I agree that we should bring in a vet DE. I'd probably be more inclined not to use the No. 4 pick on a DE if we did that because the vet DE would allow us time to see how Lawrence and Gregory develop (or if Gregory is going to smoke himself out of the league).

I'd still be hesistant about not getting a player like Bosa while we have the chance, though.

 

[gimmesix]

That's why I think we need to draft two DL early. Our future line will be Lawrence, Crawford and the two rookies.

Yes, I really like the potential of a line of RDE DeMarcus Lawrence, 3-tech Tyrone Crawford, 1-tech Vernon Butler, LDE Joey Bosa, with Gregory and Irving as backups.

 

[gimmesix]

You had me with the first two picks, but then you went offense instead of CB.....sorry.

I think we absolutely have to have a cornerback who can contribute, which is why I would rather get one in free agency if we're not going to draft one in the first two rounds.

 

[gimmesix]

No need to beat a dead horse on "developing" QB's...but disagree with your 4th round pick.

Also, little Gronk only had 10 catches the past 2 years...not sure that quite qualifies him as "essentially a te"

Would walk away very happy with your 1st 3 picks though. Nothing to complain about there

Is there another QB you would prefer there?

Also, fair enough on Gronk. I guess what I should have said is I believe he has the ability to be a good receiving fullback and think he's a good lead blocker, which would be an improvement over Clutts.

 

[gimmesix]

I have him highly rated on my board and think he will be a very good player. I just so happen to have QBs highly rated as well and would prefer to go that route is all

It seems a lot of people here fall in love with "their" guy and resort to bashing other similarly rated players in hopes of convincing everyone they are right about them. Bosa and Ramsey are those guys this year it seems

I know there will be a lot of fans here disappointed if Dallas doesn't pick their guy. I believe a decent case can be made for several players who could be available when we pick, so if Dallas chooses a QB, I'm not going to be unhappy about it. I prefer Bosa at the moment because I think he can have the greatest immediate impact and help the defense take the next step forward, but there are just several good things we can do with this pick.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Yes, I really like the potential of a line of RDE DeMarcus Lawrence, 3-tech Tyrone Crawford, 1-tech Vernon Butler, LDE Joey Bosa, with Gregory and Irving as backups.

I'm with you. Not to boast but I had a pretty awesome mock on Fanspeak yesterday. My first 3 picks looked like this: 1) DE Bosa, 2) QB Lynch, 3) DT Butler.

 

[gimmesix]

I'm with you. Not to boast but I had a pretty awesome mock on Fanspeak yesterday. My first 3 picks looked like this: 1) DE Bosa, 2) QB Lynch, 3) DT Butler.

That would be fantastic.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

The Randy Gregory draft, since Gregory's love affair with the sweet herb of happiness kind of served Bosa up on a silver platter to Dallas. I would almost expect this unless Goff crushes it at the combine.

 

[tm1119]

Is there another QB you would prefer there?

Also, fair enough on Gronk. I guess what I should have said is I believe he has the ability to be a good receiving fullback and think he's a good lead blocker, which would be an improvement over Clutts.

Goff or Wentz and if not don't waste a pick. Can you name the last time a 4th round pick sat on the bench for multiple years and then became a good starter? It's something fans always talk about doing and it sounds good in theory, but it never actually happens in the real world.

And I'm all for getting someone other than Clutz in at FB, but not at the expense of a late 4th rounder. I think Escobar(and the 3 before him) should prove that we aren't going to actually utilize a 2nd TE enough. Check out Q Hicks from Georgia

 

[gimmesix]

Goff or Wentz and if not don't waste a pick. Can you name the last time a 4th round pick sat on the bench for multiple years and then became a good starter? It's something fans always talk about doing and it sounds good in theory, but it never actually happens in the real world.

And I'm all for getting someone other than Clutz in at FB, but not at the expense of a late 4th rounder. I think Escobar(and the 3 before him) should prove that we aren't going to actually utilize a 2nd TE enough. Check out Q Hicks from Georgia

So you wouldn't have taken Kirk Cousins, Tyrod Taylor or Tom Brady? Given a redo, you wouldn't have taken Tony Romo? Would you have taken Russell Wilson in the third round?

Yes, far more first-round picks work out than lower-round picks, not just at the QB position but at any position, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't take one and see if he turns out to be one of the exceptions. Even if he doesn't turn out to be a starter, he might develop into at least a capable backup.

 

[tm1119]

So you wouldn't have taken Kirk Cousins, Tyrod Taylor or Tom Brady? Given a redo, you wouldn't have taken Tony Romo? Would you have taken Russell Wilson in the third round?

Yes, far more first-round picks work out than lower-round picks, not just at the QB position but at any position, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't take one and see if he turns out to be one of the exceptions. Even if he doesn't turn out to be a starter, he might develop into at least a capable backup.

Romo wasn't drafted and Wilson started right away. So that leaves you with 3 guys (2 of which the jury is still out on imo) in the past 15 or so years that were developed as mid to late round picks and became good QB's. Out of how many total QB's that were drafted? Yeah no thanks. I'd much rather use the pick somewhere else that will actually see the field. A 4th round pick should be more valuable than a hope and a prayer.

I don't want just any QB. I want a franchise, stud QB. And I'd be more than willing to tank until we get that guy than watch our franchise try to scratch and claw it's way to just make the playoffs for the next decade with no real shot at a SB with a QB like Cousins or Taylor. That's the way I think, I'm sure you and others will disagree.

 

[gimmesix]

Romo wasn't drafted and Wilson started right away. So that leaves you with 3 guys (2 of which the jury is still out on imo) in the past 15 or so years that were developed as mid to late round picks and became good QB's. Out of how many total QB's that were drafted? Yeah no thanks. I'd much rather use the pick somewhere else that will actually see the field. A 4th round pick should be more valuable than a hope and a prayer.

I don't want just any QB. I want a franchise, stud QB. And I'd be more than willing to tank until we get that guy than watch our franchise try to scratch and claw it's way to just make the playoffs for the next decade with no real shot at a SB with a QB like Cousins or Taylor. That's the way I think, I'm sure you and others will disagree.

That's the point with Romo. He should have been drafted, but teams essentially had your attitude about him. If we pass on taking a quarterback in the first round and let's say for some reason Brissett doesn't go drafted, what if he turns into a Romo? The team needs to trust its evaluation and take a QB at some point.

The chances of that QB turning into a starter are not very high, but more late-round picks fail than succeed at any position. According to datascopeanalytics.com, toward the end of the third round, a team's chances of finding a starter falls to 30 percent. That means 70 percent of those drafted (and the number gets higher as the draft progresses) won't turn out to be anything more than a contributor at bnest. Any pick at that point is a hope and a prayer.

I prefer to take a shot at a QB until we find one. If when Romo is done we haven't found one, then I would do everything I could to get to the top of the round and select the next franchise guy. I believe we have a chance at drafting a franchise guy at No. 4, but I don't believe it has to be a quarterback. We're in a great position to get a blue-chip and I'm not wedged into it having to be a QB because of what-ifs at that position.

 

[gimmesix]

That's the point with Romo. He should have been drafted, but teams essentially had your attitude about him. If we pass on taking a quarterback in the first round and let's say for some reason Brissett doesn't go drafted, what if he turns into a Romo? The team needs to trust its evaluation and take a QB at some point.

The chances of that QB turning into a starter are not very high, but more late-round picks fail than succeed at any position. According to datascopeanalytics.com, toward the end of the third round, a team's chances of finding a starter falls to 30 percent. That means 70 percent of those drafted (and the number gets higher as the draft progresses) won't turn out to be anything more than a contributor at bnest. Any pick at that point is a hope and a prayer.

I prefer to take a shot at a QB until we find one. If when Romo is done we haven't found one, then I would do everything I could to get to the top of the round and select the next franchise guy. I believe we have a chance at drafting a franchise guy at No. 4, but I don't believe it has to be a quarterback. We're in a great position to get a blue-chip and I'm not wedged into it having to be a QB because of what-ifs at that position.

Also, Wilson starting right away doesn't mean anything. He was still drafted in the third round. If Seattle had had a decent starter in front of him, he wouldn't have started, just like first-round pick Aaron Rodgers sat on the bench until Favre's time was up.

 

[reddyuta]

I want to see how Bosa does in the drills because i know he can play.

 

[tm1119]

That's the point with Romo. He should have been drafted, but teams essentially had your attitude about him. If we pass on taking a quarterback in the first round and let's say for some reason Brissett doesn't go drafted, what if he turns into a Romo? The team needs to trust its evaluation and take a QB at some point.

The chances of that QB turning into a starter are not very high, but more late-round picks fail than succeed at any position. According to datascopeanalytics.com, toward the end of the third round, a team's chances of finding a starter falls to 30 percent. That means 70 percent of those drafted (and the number gets higher as the draft progresses) won't turn out to be anything more than a contributor at bnest. Any pick at that point is a hope and a prayer.

I prefer to take a shot at a QB until we find one. If when Romo is done we haven't found one, then I would do everything I could to get to the top of the round and select the next franchise guy. I believe we have a chance at drafting a franchise guy at No. 4, but I don't believe it has to be a quarterback. We're in a great position to get a blue-chip and I'm not wedged into it having to be a QB because of what-ifs at that position.

And you're still naming all of 3 QB's out of 100+ that were drafted late in the past 15? years..of course there are exceptions to everything, doesn't mean we should be wasting picks trying to find it.
I'll gladly take the rotational 3 tech, or dime CB, or 3rd down RB, or situational pass rushing DE, or deep threat WR, ect over the lottery ticket that is a 4th round QB. All of those things are proven to be found in the 4th round and beyond on a regular basis, even if they aren't full time starters they are still valuable pieces. 4th round QB's are proven to be essentially worthless on a regular basis....unless you were a fan of John David Booty, or Stephen McGee, or Mike Kafka, or John Skelton, or Ricky Stanzi, or Ryan Nassib, or Tyler Wilson, or Logan Thomas, or Tom Savage. Because that's the reality of what you are getting in the 4th round, not the handful of names you're cherry picking over a long period of time.