Glaring deficiency in offensive coaching

[garyv]

how did we win before Dez, everyone making this argument thinks our orginzation starts with Dez. People, other teams can win with their number 1 WR which might not be a 1 WR on other teams. Yet they do it.

Because currently we don't have a true #2 WR to stepup to a #1 we have Dez #1, Williams #3 and Beasley #3. FACT

 

[garyv]

Coaches are the same except OL. The fact is we can't win with Romo and Dez out because of the Depth behind
both of these positions. Must be corrected in the 2016 NFL Draft.

 

[CrownCowboy]

Lack of ability to adapt. Bellicheat does a great job of using rules to his advantage. So what if his O gets 1-2 offensive PI a game. But more than not it's not called and it gets him several big plays and 3rd down conversions per game.

We've been a victim for several games due to pick plays. Other teams has pick up on this and will continue to use them until we defend it. NFL isn't going to crack down on it so we need to use it as well.

Yep.

I loved how the Seahawks defended it against the Broncos in the Super Bowl a couple of years ago.

That dominant Broncos offense used the pick play as a centerpiece to their offense and would mix in long shots down the field to Thomas.

The Seahawks spaced out their 3 linebackers about 5 yards off the line of scrimmage and brought in a safety to act as a 4th linebacker and used the old picket fence on them. They'd blast the receivers right off the line and then stay physical with them within the 5 yards disrupting the timing and if the ball was caught there was a defender right there to hit the receiver. They jammed Thomas and sent exotic blitzes at Manning and dominated them.

You can scheme a way to take away the quick pass to allow your edge rushers time to attack the QB. You can get creative with blitzes and coverage and play gambles. It's pretty evident that we don't do that hardly at all.

I'm not a professional football coach but its blatantly obvious how vanilla we are and that we don't make many adjustments and that is absolutely part of our problem.

 

[YosemiteSam]

We should deflate some footballs.

 

[Chuck 54]

I think the situation is fairly obvious.

You lose your franchise QB and the only real receiving threat you have, a guy who actually opens up the game and space for others.

Option 1: Play it safe...run the ball a lot, throw high percentage passes, don't make mistakes, don't gamble, rely on the Defense, secure the ball in the return game and contain the other team's returners...hope to win a close game.

Option 2: You know you suck; you know you have no chance to win a contested game because your defense can't hold up and your offense has no weapons, so you take chances. You onside kick at an unexpected time; you run a fake punt on 3rd and long; you run a reverse, a double reverse, a flea-flicker; you try a 55 yard fg instead of punting; you go for 2; you go for 4th and short around midfield or better, and you definitely go for it on 4th down in the red zone rather than kicking a fg when you're down 16-3!

Clearly, our coaches tried Option 1 and failed miserably, surely realizing by now that we have absolutely nothing on offense, no threats at all. Brilliant move by Bellichek to double cover Witten and Beasley on 3rd downs....neither is a home run threat, but they are our only threats to move the chains consistently, so they get doubled and then laugh at the idea of Williams or Escobar beating them. Scary, because they just gave the blue print to the Giants, Eagles, Commanders, and anyone else who plays us until Dez shows he can make plays and needs to be doubled.

It's time for option 2, baby....open it up and take chances. The Giants offense is hitting on all cylinders, looking like Atlanta as they strut right down the field on short passes. Eli is getting rid of the ball in 2.2 seconds. We'd better take chances on both sides of the ball, including an all out blitz on 3rd downs once in a while.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Pats had 2 penalties called for a pick play yet they kept using it. The big play by Edelman was a result of a pick play and that came right after Edelman was called for a pick.

We try something and get penalized then we don't see it again for a long time.

You can't play w scared money.

 

[Clarkson]

We all agree with out Dez our WRs often cannot beat DBs 1 on 1.

Why in the world do we not run more pick plays to free up our receivers like Patriots and Denver???!!!

Most Gronk's receptions against Jones came of pick plays. Put more pick plays in our playbook PLEASE.

omg it's so obvious and easy you should be an NFL coach!
why doesn't every team just do it! it's so obvious and easy!
YOU really get it!!!

 

[Clarkson]

Does a surprise onside kick count? That's the closest thing under Garrett I can think of. Even then, one could argue we already had the division won by the time we played washington, so was it really be risky? I don't think so.

A "surprise onside kick"? For real?
Onside kicks aren't meant for "eh, let's try something new! i feel like I want an onside kick!"

 

[btcutter]

omg it's so obvious and easy you should be an NFL coach!
why doesn't every team just do it! it's so obvious and easy!
YOU really get it!!!

It's so obvious that every team we played is using it against us ....... I am glad I shed some light for you.

 

[skicat1898]

Take a trip back to the early 90's. Now imagine playing a string of games without Troy, Michael and Emmitt.... We would likely have fewer SB trophies.

 

[TheDude]

Somebody got penalized for running a pick play early in the season. I think it was Witten that got called for it but I'm not 100% certain.

2 penalties were called yesterday. Next play....same pick

 

[SultanOfSix]

Because pick plays are illegal. Since the Pats rely on this all the time, they can't keep getting called for it so they are effectively allowed to cheat.

 

[Junglist]

A "surprise onside kick"? For real?
Onside kicks aren't meant for "eh, let's try something new! i feel like I want an onside kick!"

Kind of my point.

 

[VACowboy]

We all agree with out Dez our WRs often cannot beat DBs 1 on 1.

Why in the world do we not run more pick plays to free up our receivers like Patriots and Denver???!!!

Most Gronk's receptions against Jones came of pick plays. Put more pick plays in our playbook PLEASE.

I agree with then sentiment, but there's a lot more offensive design you can do to get receivers open than run picks. The Dallas offense doesn't do much of any of it.

 

[xwalker]

2 penalties were called yesterday. Next play....same pick

It's definitely worth a try but I just get the feeling that it would be called on the Cowboys when it's not called on the Pats.

On defense I think there are some things they could do to help combat the pick play. They did try once in Saints game to switch off the DBs into a 2 man zone type look. It didn't work but I think it could with enough practice.

One of the issues is that in years past they tried selectively switching off on the 2 WRs on the same side of the formation but it always resulted in Claiborne making the wrong decision and completely blowing the coverage. Scandrick could then be seen yelling at Claiborne and telling him what he should have done.

The reason the pick play is working so well against the Cowboys is because they are playing primarily man coverage. I think the reason for that is again that Claiborne is good in man coverage but gets confused in zone coverage.

It might not matter if Hardy does to other QBs what he did to Brady.

 

[xwalker]

Take a trip back to the early 90's. Now imagine playing a string of games without Troy, Michael and Emmitt.... We would likely have fewer SB trophies.

They lost those 2 games where Emmitt held out.

 

[Wheeltax]

Because pick plays are illegal. Since the Pats rely on this all the time, they can't keep getting called for it so they are effectively allowed to cheat.

Just like the Seattle's DBs - they basically gambled that the refs wouldn't call them for contact on every play. And it worked. There are a few teams around the league who seem to constantly run pick plays.

 

[Clarkson]

I agree with then sentiment, but there's a lot more offensive design you can do to get receivers open than run picks. The Dallas offense doesn't do much of any of it.

ah you should call them up and tell them.
i mean, clearly you've got the answers.

 

[VACowboy]

Because pick plays are illegal. Since the Pats rely on this all the time, they can't keep getting called for it so they are effectively allowed to cheat.

Picks are only illegal if the picker runs into the pickee. I've seen tons of plays where receivers ran the guy/s covering them into the path of another defender to shake a teammate free. Nothing illegal about that. That's the intent, but more often than not, receivers mug DBs in the process and it doesn't get called. McDaniels knows the tactic is going to draw some flags, but it's not gonna get called nearly every time it happens, so he's gonna continue to do it because it gets guys wide open.

 

[TheDude]

It's definitely worth a try but I just get the feeling that it would be called on the Cowboys when it's not called on the Pats.

On defense I think there are some things they could do to help combat the pick play. They did try once in Saints game to switch off the DBs into a 2 man zone type look. It didn't work but I think it could with enough practice.

One of the issues is that in years past they tried selectively switching off on the 2 WRs on the same side of the formation but it always resulted in Claiborne making the wrong decision and completely blowing the coverage. Scandrick could then be seen yelling at Claiborne and telling him what he should have done.

The reason the pick play is working so well against the Cowboys is because they are playing primarily man coverage. I think the reason for that is again that Claiborne is good in man coverage but gets confused in zone coverage.

It might not matter if Hardy does to other QBs what he did to Brady.

You could be right that the minute we do it it then get flagged 90% of the time.

I want to reload at the all-22. If you are in man the best way to disrupt a pick is really press at the line. Every time last week MO was playing press but gave a free release it was an easy completion. Seattle drew this blueprint up in the SB with Denver.