Good Win

[Ranching]

Randy White is one of the all time greats! Great player and great guy. Does he still have that BBQ restaurant up in Frisco?

Think he sold it. I was trying to help him open one up down here in the Valley. Didn't work out. He is really cool, all of them have been cool.

 

[Captain43Crash]

I like to win. Sorry

I realize you like to win, everyone does when they are on the team playing. We are “on the team” but just as fans watching the game from the stands. Players never want to lose, but as a fan losing a game like this(no matter what we are out of the playoffs), possibly helps us become winners sooner. Where a team picks in the draft can make a huge difference on what players a team drafts. Because we won this meaningless game against a bunch of backups instead of picking at around #15 we are now picking at #20. In every round we are picking 5 spots later.

 

[Ranching]

I realize you like to win, everyone does when they are on the team playing. We are “on the team” but just as fans watching the game from the stands. Players never want to lose, but as a fan losing a game like this(no matter what we are out of the playoffs), possibly helps us become winners sooner. Where a team picks in the draft can make a huge difference on what players a team drafts. Because we won this meaningless game against a bunch of backups instead of picking at around #15 we are now picking at #20. In every round we are picking 5 spots later.

I respect that, but try telling the guys on the field to lose when some of their jobs depend on their game film.
I never played or coached to lose. Sorry, Can't help myself.

Draft picks are a crap shoot after the top ten anyway.

 

[DandyDon52]

This was a meaningless there was no moral victory with the way the offense performed and the defense not being challenged by the Eagles backups. I don't feel any better about this football after this game than how I felt last week.

Should have played the backups. Once Foles and the Eagles offense left the game there was no more point to the game.

Sudefel ?played better than files, and dak.
Many Eagle starters played whole game.
I thought winning was OK, but evaluation of rush, Noah was
More important.

 

[DandyDon52]

I realize you like to win, everyone does when they are on the team playing. We are “on the team” but just as fans watching the game from the stands. Players never want to lose, but as a fan losing a game like this(no matter what we are out of the playoffs), possibly helps us become winners sooner. Where a team picks in the draft can make a huge difference on what players a team drafts. Because we won this meaningless game against a bunch of backups instead of picking at around #15 we are now picking at #20. In every round we are picking 5 spots later.

Well that's why the Cowboys will probably be never make it past the divisional round or I should say just one reason why there are many others

 

[Captain43Crash]

Here's a fun exercise

Go through old posts and see who praises the Eagles for playing their starters in last years win over Dallas' backups.

Now see who calls Dallas stupid for doing the same.

We really should have a way to notate these members if we're logged in. Some type of highlighting for their names, so we can remember how utterly childish they are.

Actually, being fanatics like most of us are, is kind of childish. Just ask your wife.

 

[christop210]

The patriots and spurs do not lose on purpose for draft position and neither should the cowboys. If you really wanted the eagles to win today then go fly with them.

 

[Captain43Crash]

I respect that, but try telling the guys on the field to lose when some of their jobs depend on their game film.
I never played or coached to lose. Sorry, Can't help myself.

Draft picks are a crap shoot after the top ten anyway.

Of course players on the field and coaches should never play to lose, but we are not on the field. We are fans/fanatics who want the Cowboys to be winners in Superbowls. The earlier we pick in each round the better chance we have to pick good player and reach our ultimate goal. Also, I disagree draft picks after the top 10 are not a crap shot, unless your Cleveland.

 

[Ranching]

Of course players on the field and coaches should never play to lose, but we are not on the field. We are fans/fanatics who want the Cowboys to be winners in Superbowls. The earlier we pick in each round the better chance we have to pick good player and reach our ultimate goal. Also, I disagree draft picks after the top 10 are not a crap shot, unless your Cleveland.

I look at it from a players and coaches view. Been in the business too long, i guess. I just hate to lose to anyone, especially the eagles. Salud!

 

[christop210]

I hate the eagles...im glad the cowboys won.

 

[BoysFanInPhilly]

Anything unearned has no value to me.

I don't take "joy" in getting lucky or sucking slightly less than an opponent's second and third stringers.

You are just being a curmudgeon. I got joy out of it. But then again I've already outed myself as an Eagles fan. The game itself was horrible. But the outcome was prefect (from my perspective). Didn't hurt the Eagles at all. 2nd and 3rd stringers held the Cowboys to 6 points, the Cowboys draft pick will be 5 positions lower, and at 9-7 management will think they are good. All while the Eagles probably didn't even spend much time game planning.

 

[Stash]

You are just being a curmudgeon. I got joy out of it. But then again I've already outed myself as an Eagles fan. The game itself was horrible. But the outcome was prefect (from my perspective). Didn't hurt the Eagles at all. 2nd and 3rd stringers held the Cowboys to 6 points, the Cowboys draft pick will be 5 positions lower, and at 9-7 management will think they are good. All while the Eagles probably didn't even spend much time game planning.

I'm glad somebody's happy about it!

It's nice to hear from you and I hope all is well with you and yours, Happy New Year!

 

[BoysFanInPhilly]

I'm glad somebody's happy about it!

It's nice to hear from you and I hope all is well with you and yours, Happy New Year!

Thanks, have a great New Year but stay inside today. I'm freezing from just going out to grab some more firewood.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Another fun exercise, if a fan wants to lose to Philadelphia, is he really a fan?

So allow me to ask a question or two.

First off, as projected right now, there are a couple of DTs lurking around 16 in the up coming draft. There is also a DE in the group. Plus an OT. And CB's. And there is someone who falls every year to the middle of the first round with projected top of first talent.

So my questions are these. Do you equate yesterday's win against back-ups to be a better option than a starting NT, DE, OT that might play six to nine years for this team?

So one win is better than a player who possibly could be here in 2023 starting for this team? Perhaps even a pro bowl players, or an All Pro. Sure it could go the opposite way, or there could be someone where Dallas will draft that is a player. But the higher up you are in the first round the closer you are to talent and the meat of the first round.

Now to the story.

It was 1988 and Dallas had nothing at quarterback but Steve Pelluer and a broken Danny White. This team was headed to one of the worst seasons (3-13) since the inaugural season of 1960 when they went 0-11-1. Now understand this franchise did not have one season between 1960 and 1988 where they won less than four games. And that was twice. They won five games twice. We are talking 29 years. And those dismal seasons were within the first five seasons. They did have a six game win season in 1982. So in 29 years, this franchise had a winning record every year but six. And all but one were the first five years of the expansion team.

Now we are in 1988. Dallas has no quarterback. That is The Most Important position on the field. I had been a pretty big player that year in call in shows like Randy Galloway. It was some time in October when I realized there was this kid in UCLA who was exactly what Dallas needed. I brought this up to Galloway and he had no real idea of who Aikman was at that point more than his name. I kept it up calling his show every now and then. Not saying I started a ground swell, but as the year went along, more people started talking about Aikman on his show.

November 13th Dallas hosted Minnesota. I had complimentary tickets for that game from Budweiser. I sty right at the 40 yard line with five of my friends. I wore a Dallas Cowboy ball cap, but was vocally rooting for Minnesota, to the annoyance of people around us. Come half time several people turned and asked me what the hell was going on.

I explained about Aikman.

By the end of the third quarter I had converted a hand full of Cowboy fans. We were a Dallas Cowboy contingency who rooted for Minny because we needed a quarterback.

Come the last weekend of the regular season. Green Bay was mathematically ahead of Dallas for the Aikman pick. They were playing Arizona who was a much better team. Green Bay invited Aikman to that game, because he was their pick if they lost. And they knew they would lose against a better Arizona team.

Dallas was scheduled to play the 9-6 Philadelphia Eagles. That was a sure bet Dallas would lose. But in no way would Dallas get Aikman unless Green Bay beat a better team.

Arizona lost to Green Bay. Bum Bright sold the team to Jerry Jones, who brought in Jimmy Johnson. They picked Troy Aikman and went on and won three Super Bowls.

Troy Aikman
Tony Mandrich
Barry Sanders
Derrick Thomas
Deion Sanders

These were the first five picks that year. Outside of Mandrich, any one of these guys would be a great first over-all pick. But not a franchise quarterback.

Jeff George
Blair Thomas
Cortez Kennedy
Keith McCants
Junior Seau

These were the first five picks the next year. There is no franchise quarterback here. Dallas did pick up Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft the year Aikman was selected.

So how would this franchise have been different if Dallas was stuck with Steve Walsh who they picked up in the supplemental draft the year before, because Jimmy was familiar with him?

The Triplets Walsh, Smith, Irvin - frankly that would have been the twins with a mentally and surely physically challenged brother at QB.

I did not cause Aikman to come to the Cowboys. My rooting against the team to get that pick had no influence. But they did get that pick because of a loss, or maybe several losses that season.

Now tell me please how winning one extra game that year in a 3-13 season would have been a benefit for this franchise in the big scheme of things?

This game is about Super Bowls. I don't give a flying rat's ankle what some of the younger fans here say about gettying to the play-offs, or "you don't understand how tought it is to get to the Super Bowl. 13 and 3 and losing in the first round of the play-offs has significance only if that team comes back stronger the next year.

There is one champion every season. The rest of the franchises failed.

So all the chest beating about this victory, or wanting to lose for a better draft slot is a loser mentality is horse manure. Every quality piece that can be put in place has a trickle down effect on the team and gets you a step closer to the NFC Championship game. Then it is win one and you are in the Dance.

Yesterday's win did not cost this team an Aikman. But it very well could have cost this team a NT that made the front line much better. Or another cornerback, or OT in the event Smith becomes a liability. We don't know.

But what I do know is ten years from now, this board will still be active, and you will not see a post about beating the Eagles in a 9-7 season was the lynchpin to greatness. It really was, for the Cowboys, a loser takes all game.

Sorry, but I sat in the stands for the very first Cowboy game at the Cotton Bowl. Been one since day one. This team should have played every back up for every position they could. Zeke and Dak and Dez and Lee and Hitchins would have been pulled after the first series if I were calling the shots.

But then I don't clap my hands after each play because i got nothing else.

 

[Ranching]

So allow me to ask a question or two.

First off, as projected right now, there are a couple of DTs lurking around 16 in the up coming draft. There is also a DE in the group. Plus an OT. And CB's. And there is someone who falls every year to the middle of the first round with projected top of first talent.

So my questions are these. Do you equate yesterday's win against back-ups to be a better option than a starting NT, DE, OT that might play six to nine years for this team?

So one win is better than a player who possibly could be here in 2023 starting for this team? Perhaps even a pro bowl players, or an All Pro. Sure it could go the opposite way, or there could be someone where Dallas will draft that is a player. But the higher up you are in the first round the closer you are to talent and the meat of the first round.

Now to the story.

It was 1988 and Dallas had nothing at quarterback but Steve Pelluer and a broken Danny White. This team was headed to one of the worst seasons (3-13) since the inaugural season of 1960 when they went 0-11-1. Now understand this franchise did not have one season between 1960 and 1988 where they won less than four games. And that was twice. They won five games twice. We are talking 29 years. And those dismal seasons were within the first five seasons. They did have a six game win season in 1982. So in 29 years, this franchise had a winning record every year but six. And all but one were the first five years of the expansion team.

Now we are in 1988. Dallas has no quarterback. That is The Most Important position on the field. I had been a pretty big player that year in call in shows like Randy Galloway. It was some time in October when I realized there was this kid in UCLA who was exactly what Dallas needed. I brought this up to Galloway and he had no real idea of who Aikman was at that point more than his name. I kept it up calling his show every now and then. Not saying I started a ground swell, but as the year went along, more people started talking about Aikman on his show.

November 13th Dallas hosted Minnesota. I had complimentary tickets for that game from Budweiser. I sty right at the 40 yard line with five of my friends. I wore a Dallas Cowboy ball cap, but was vocally rooting for Minnesota, to the annoyance of people around us. Come half time several people turned and asked me what the hell was going on.

I explained about Aikman.

By the end of the third quarter I had converted a hand full of Cowboy fans. We were a Dallas Cowboy contingency who rooted for Minny because we needed a quarterback.

Come the last weekend of the regular season. Green Bay was mathematically ahead of Dallas for the Aikman pick. They were playing Arizona who was a much better team. Green Bay invited Aikman to that game, because he was their pick if they lost. And they knew they would lose against a better Arizona team.

Dallas was scheduled to play the 9-6 Philadelphia Eagles. That was a sure bet Dallas would lose. But in no way would Dallas get Aikman unless Green Bay beat a better team.

Arizona lost to Green Bay. Bum Bright sold the team to Jerry Jones, who brought in Jimmy Johnson. They picked Troy Aikman and went on and won three Super Bowls.

Troy Aikman
Tony Mandrich
Barry Sanders
Derrick Thomas
Deion Sanders

These were the first five picks that year. Outside of Mandrich, any one of these guys would be a great first over-all pick. But not a franchise quarterback.

Jeff George
Blair Thomas
Cortez Kennedy
Keith McCants
Junior Seau

These were the first five picks the next year. There is no franchise quarterback here. Dallas did pick up Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft the year Aikman was selected.

So how would this franchise have been different if Dallas was stuck with Steve Walsh who they picked up in the supplemental draft the year before, because Jimmy was familiar with him?

The Triplets Walsh, Smith, Irvin - frankly that would have been the twins with a mentally and surely physically challenged brother at QB.

I did not cause Aikman to come to the Cowboys. My rooting against the team to get that pick had no influence. But they did get that pick because of a loss, or maybe several losses that season.

Now tell me please how winning one extra game that year in a 3-13 season would have been a benefit for this franchise in the big scheme of things?

This game is about Super Bowls. I don't give a flying rat's ankle what some of the younger fans here say about gettying to the play-offs, or "you don't understand how tought it is to get to the Super Bowl. 13 and 3 and losing in the first round of the play-offs has significance only if that team comes back stronger the next year.

There is one champion every season. The rest of the franchises failed.

So all the chest beating about this victory, or wanting to lose for a better draft slot is a loser mentality is horse manure. Every quality piece that can be put in place has a trickle down effect on the team and gets you a step closer to the NFC Championship game. Then it is win one and you are in the Dance.

Yesterday's win did not cost this team an Aikman. But it very well could have cost this team a NT that made the front line much better. Or another cornerback, or OT in the event Smith becomes a liability. We don't know.

But what I do know is ten years from now, this board will still be active, and you will not see a post about beating the Eagles in a 9-7 season was the lynchpin to greatness. It really was, for the Cowboys, a loser takes all game.

Sorry, but I sat in the stands for the very first Cowboy game at the Cotton Bowl. Been one since day one. This team should have played every back up for every position they could. Zeke and Dak and Dez and Lee and Hitchins would have been pulled after the first series if I were calling the shots.

But then I don't clap my hands after each play because i got nothing else.

Good post. If I could look at the draft and know for sure who will be available and how good they will be as a player in the NFL, then OK. But, it doesn't work that way, I take the win. As a coach, I would not be able to face my players if I asked them to lose on purpose, especially if said draft pick will be competing to take their job and livelihood.

 

[Ranching]

You are just being a curmudgeon. I got joy out of it. But then again I've already outed myself as an Eagles fan. The game itself was horrible. But the outcome was prefect (from my perspective). Didn't hurt the Eagles at all. 2nd and 3rd stringers held the Cowboys to 6 points, the Cowboys draft pick will be 5 positions lower, and at 9-7 management will think they are good. All while the Eagles probably didn't even spend much time game planning.

If they didn't game plan you should be ticked as a fan. Foles looked bad and now his teammates have no confidence going in to the playoffs. I would be upset, and we already have five rings,but you already know that. They are in your avatar. good luck.

 

[kumizi]

Anyone that enjoyed this win is about as stupid as the Cowboys front office

 

[JW82]

Dumb thread. Meaningless win and allows a crap coach to claim a winning season against 3rd string players. While costing us 3 spots in the draft.

 

[BoysFanInPhilly]

If they didn't game plan you should be ticked as a fan. Foles looked bad and now his teammates have no confidence going in to the playoffs. I would be upset, and we already have five rings,but you already know that. They are in your avatar. good luck.

Why should I be mad about how they prepared for a meaningless game. If in 2 weeks they play like they did yesterday then there is reason. Till then I will enjoy the preparations for the playoffs. You on the other hand get to have a few extra weeks talking about the draft and next season.

 

[Ranching]

Why should I be mad about how they prepared for a meaningless game. If in 2 weeks they play like they did yesterday then there is reason. Till then I will enjoy the preparations for the playoffs. You on the other hand get to have a few extra weeks talking about the draft and next season.

that's why. Lol. I'd rather be in your shoes today like we were last year. But Garrett approached our last game last year like your coach did this year and it cost us. Again, good luck. Enjoy the ride.