News: Goodell is now worried about the catch rule

[buybuydandavis]

**** him and the NFL. Too little too late.

Dez caught it and everyone knows it, and NOW he wants to change the rules to make what everyone knew was a catch somehow official? After they spent 2 years defending it and changing the rules to try to 'clarify' why they made the decision to screw over the Cowboys? Really?

It's taken this long because they couldn't admit up front that they had screwed that call.

And of course, it was a catch, and *even if it wasn't*, it was called a catch on the field, and it was absurd to claim that there was *indisputable visual evidence* to overturn the most disputed call of the decade.

 

[percyhoward]

I’m not sure how you can be so wrong if you watched the play. Go watch it again.

1. The ball is grabbed with two hands.
2. The ball is pulled down to his right shoulder chest area.
3. The position of the ball moves from the right side of his body to the left. This is called switching position of the ball. https://www.google.com/search?q=switching+definition&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari Switching is a common term and can apply to many different situations.
4. Taking one hand off occurs when you switch the ball from two hands to one and very clearly demonstrates Dez “had time” to make a football move. Because it was a move. Per the rule as written in 2014.

A certain percentage of people have trouble understanding one or more of the following:

• the fact that there's a 3-part catch process
  
• the football move
• the time requirement, and why it's important
• the fact that the football move is what satisfies the time requirement
• the fact that Item 1 must be subordinate to the catch process

The more they inform themselves about the rules and the context in which the rules have been changed, and changed back again, the closer they'll get to understanding. That's a lot on their plate, but as the saying goes, the longest journey begins with a single step.

If they refuse to take that step, I say forget 'em.

 

[Verdict]

The Maras and Rooneys have been owners since the 30s. Not sure how members of their families getting married is an issue, unless you're burdened by a paranoid conspiracy to elevate their teams at the Cowboys expense.

Stop looking for excuses. The Cowboys playoff success drought is of their own creation.

Partly. There is no doubt about that. But if you don't think Dez catch was intentional against the Cowboys, I can't go along with that. The ruling on the field was a catch. There was not enough evidence to overturn it.

They just made up that one to reach the result they wanted to reach. If the call on the field was a non catch I could understand them saying there wasn't enough evidence to overturn the call as well. That was clearly a catch based on the football move.

Zeke got totally railroaded. We have the Roy Williams rule. We have the loss of cap room for violating a cap that didn't exist.

You guys that can't see anti-Cowboys bias are totally in denial.

 

[khiladi]

Actually, looking back on the Steelers catch yesterday and running through the NFL playbook I don’t think it was a catch.

1. The ‘runner’ rule (looking back on it) has a qualification that he has to be UPRIGHT when he catches. I’m not sure when this was added, but it seems to be after the Dez fiasco.

2. The Steelers TE was never upright to establish himself as a runner. This would technically mean that it’s like a catch on the sidelines going out of bounds while trying to keep the feet in, which the NFL then qualifies as a catch going to the ground.

This leads to his control and reach, whether he had possession and then reached.

3. When looking at when he originally established control, before he reached, it looks to me like he actually did that when he only established himself on ONE foot, and the second foot landed after he started reaching for the plane, meaning that is all part of the process of establishing control before going to the ground. Control has to be established with the SECOND foot hitting the ground and this seemed to happen after the reach

Now it all begs the question whether he still had control though the ball shifted when his hand or the ball hit when they both hit the ground. Was his hands underneath the ball enough to establish control? The rulebook does allow some movement.

Looking at it from my view it doesn’t..

Of course the Pats were only penalized twice that game anyways.

 

[khiladi]

of anything, the Dez catch is actually where the UPRIGHT rule applies more and still, Dez catch actually qualifies more of a catch, because he was upright when he had both his feet on the ground and took TWO additional steps and THEN REACHED.

So he has two moves that qualify as establishing a ‘football move’ as far as timing goes. The two additional steps plus the reach with his dive.

So even if the ball hit the ground, since he established control with the football move with TWO moves, the ball hitting the ground would technically be a fumble which he then recovered.

And of course it all goes back to ‘indisputable evidence’ which the ref never has to overturn it.

And ironic that Goodell only finds a problem with rules when it concerns guys like Rooney or Kraft.

 

[MarcusRock]

I’m not sure how you can be so wrong if you watched the play. Go watch it again.

1. The ball is grabbed with two hands.
2. The ball is pulled down to his right shoulder chest area.
3. The position of the ball moves from the right side of his body to the left. This is called switching position of the ball. https://www.google.com/search?q=switching+definition&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari Switching is a common term and can apply to many different situations.
4. Taking one hand off occurs when you switch the ball from two hands to one and very clearly demonstrates Dez “had time” to make a football move. Because it was a move. Per the rule as written in 2014.

Hey, I know you and your ringleader need to make Dez an upright runner so you can avoid the going to the ground rule which you each know is lights out for your argument, but it's kinda hard to do that when Dez is falling to the ground for the entirety of his making a play on that ball. The story for catch supporters has evolved on this from the very beginning to avoid the going to the ground rule. First it was, the ball never hit the ground. Then it was Dez was indeed upright and then tripped. Then it became well Dez reached at the end (the question your ringleader refuses to answer). Now it's, "no, no, he switched hands." Every option is considered by your side except actually going to the ground, which was the basis of the call. None of you can defeat that so you avoid it at all costs, including now turning to Google for a definition instead of the rules that governed the play.

Your ringleader said Blandino "misinterpreted" then when the evidence was presented, then it became, "well, he just went to 'going to the ground' without talking about the 3-part process." That's not misinterpreting, that's cutting to the chase to those that understand. Even so, he did address the football move when asked. All of them did. Blandino did, the official Steratore did, and Pereira did during the broadcast. So all you're left with is CONSPIRACY! that men hired to be professionals somehow abandoned moral principle because they have it in for the Cowboys (collectively, mind you) whose victory would have been great for the league's ratings. So was Steratore trying to make good with the Cowboys during the Oakland game, lol?

 

[MarcusRock]

of anything, the Dez catch is actually where the UPRIGHT rule applies more and still, Dez catch actually qualifies more of a catch, because he was upright when he had both his feet on the ground and took TWO additional steps and THEN REACHED.

So he has two moves that qualify as establishing a ‘football move’ as far as timing goes. The two additional steps plus the reach with his dive.

So even if the ball hit the ground, since he established control with the football move with TWO moves, the ball hitting the ground would technically be a fumble which he then recovered.

And of course it all goes back to ‘indisputable evidence’ which the ref never has to overturn it.

And ironic that Goodell only finds a problem with rules when it concerns guys like Rooney or Kraft.

Upright means that you catch the ball while on your feet or while running. Dez did not do that. He skied high and his momentum clearly carried him to the ground as a result. Additional steps does not matter when the going to the ground rule applies. If you are on the way to the ground, you can take 5 steps if that's where you're going. There was no reach. It was addressed by Blandino, Steratore, and Pereira during the broadcast.

 

[lurkercowboy]

They are overthinking it. I agree with what Bert Emanuel said here http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2639506-how-the-nfls-catch-rule-became-the-worst-rule-in-sports
"When you slow it down and put in instant replay," Emanuel said, "and you try to analyze a catch frame by individual frame, I think you take something away from its essence. From the craft and trade of receiving. From the game. I don't think football was meant to be slowed down and evaluated. I think you have to evaluate a catch based on the naked eye."

 

[percyhoward]

Additional steps does not matter when the going to the ground rule applies.

Post the rule from 2014 that says the "act common to the game" doesn't matter when Item 1 ("player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass") applies.

Find the wording that leads you to the conclusion that additional steps don't matter on this kind of play.

Copy and paste it. Let's read it.

 

[erod]

A certain percentage of people have trouble understanding one or more of the following:

• the fact that there's a 3-part catch process
  
• the football move
• the time requirement, and why it's important
• the fact that the football move is what satisfies the time requirement
• the fact that Item 1 must be subordinate to the catch process

The more they inform themselves about the rules and the context in which the rules have been changed, and changed back again, the closer they'll get to understanding. That's a lot on their plate, but as the saying goes, the longest journey begins with a single step.

If they refuse to take that step, I say forget 'em.

And that percentage includes every official in the NFL.

 

[MarcusRock]

They are overthinking it. I agree with what Bert Emanuel said here http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2639506-how-the-nfls-catch-rule-became-the-worst-rule-in-sports
"When you slow it down and put in instant replay," Emanuel said, "and you try to analyze a catch frame by individual frame, I think you take something away from its essence. From the craft and trade of receiving. From the game. I don't think football was meant to be slowed down and evaluated. I think you have to evaluate a catch based on the naked eye."

Nice read. I noticed this part: "By the letter of the law, it can be argued it was the right call. Bryant did go to the ground. The ball did move." Emanuel disagrees citing that Dez reached at the end. We all know that the catch ringleader has avoided the reach question and of course we know why.

 

[percyhoward]

Nice read. I noticed this part: "By the letter of the law, it can be argued it was the right call. Bryant did go to the ground. The ball did move." Emanuel disagrees citing that Dez reached at the end. We all know that the catch ringleader has avoided the reach question and of course we know why.

Imagine you're talking to Mike Pereira.

Explain to him why he's wrong to say that replay should not have intervened to overturn Dez's catch.

 

[percyhoward]

Larry Fitzgerald: “The Dez Bryant catch against Green Bay should have been a catch. He had the ball and was turning upfield to try to advance the ball. That's a catch.”

Imagine you're talking to Larry. Explain to him how he doesn't know what he saw.

 

[MarcusRock]

WRs want all disputed catches to be catches. Shocking. Wonder what the majority of DBs would say? Lol.

 

[percyhoward]

WRs want all disputed catches to be catches. Shocking. Wonder what the majority of DBs would say? Lol.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/01/packers-cb-sam-shields-on-dez-bryant-call-it-was-a-catch

And you're ignoring my questions.

 

[G2]

Bottom line, as the rule is written in terms of going to the ground it simply wasn't a catch.

 

[Diehardblues]

Hopefully they’ll make some adjustments to the rule . At least they’re acknowledging it needs to be reviewed.

 

[percyhoward]

Bottom line, as the rule is written in terms of going to the ground it simply wasn't a catch.

If you think that's the bottom line, you've got some reading to do. The rule as written in 2014 did not (and still does not) require a player who has completed the catch process to maintain control of the ball when he hits the ground.

Item 1 only applies to players who go to the ground in the act of catching the pass.

"If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball until after his initial contact with the ground."
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That's why Pereira came clean about Dez's catch. He knows James' catch shouldn't have been overturned, and Dez's shouldn't have either.

 

[G2]

If you think that's the bottom line, you've got some reading to do. The rule as written in 2014 did not (and still does not) require a player who has completed the catch process to maintain control of the ball when he hits the ground.

Item 1 only applies to players who go to the ground in the act of catching the pass.

"If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball until after his initial contact with the ground."
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That's why Pereira came clean about Dez's catch. He knows James' catch shouldn't have been overturned, and Dez's shouldn't have either.

You can attempt to get under the skin of fans by being condescending all you want. I couldn't possibly care less.
Dez didn't maintain control. Same with James. I think the rule sucks, but it's the rule. Has they not have bobbled the football it would have been a catch.

 

[Nightman]

You can attempt to get under the skin of fans by being condescending all you want. I couldn't possibly care less.
Dez didn't maintain control. Same with James. I think the rule sucks, but it's the rule. Has they not have bobbled the football it would have been a catch.

They didn't bobble the ball...... the ball moved when they slammed it against the ground... big difference

Dez was down by contact and James had TD the instant it broke the plane with control and his knee down