Goose's Top 100?

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Maybe I missed it but I haven't seen Goose's top 100 list or mock. His list is usually fairly spot on. Mock not so much. (Just like everyone else's) impossible to predict.
 

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hendog;5056201 said:
Maybe I missed it but I haven't seen Goose's top 100 list or mock. His list is usually fairly spot on. Mock not so much. (Just like everyone else's) impossible to predict.

He quit doing his mock drafts.

Which sucks because frankly it was the best thing he ever did.
 

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I Guess that's why I haven't seen it. Thanks BrAin!
 

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BrAinPaiNt;5056204 said:
He quit doing his mock drafts.

Which sucks because frankly it was the only thing he did well.

I think this better represents the situation!
 

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Zordon;5056218 said:
LOL

Only on CZ is Goose seen as incompetent.

Did you know if we didn't extend Romo we woulda had to forfeit all of our picks tomorrow?

Whew!
 

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Zordon;5056218 said:
LOL

Only on CZ is Goose seen as incompetent.

Goose was fantastic in his draft coverage. Few were more knowledgeable or respected. I understand he is also quite respected in his HOF work. Kudos to him there.

If everyone were totally honest, he is nothing more than average at best in his current role as a Sports Columnist. It's a shame that we as fans not only have to deal with his poor columns, but that it is at the expense of his incredible work on the draft is just criminal.
 

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big dog cowboy;5056223 said:
There is a reason for that, he has proven it true.
If you only knew how much respect he gets in the football media. Goose has told us the truth about the issues with this franchise. The problem is so many refuse to accept it.
newnationcb;5056250 said:
Did you know if we didn't extend Romo we woulda had to forfeit all of our picks tomorrow?

Whew!
When did he say that?
 

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Zordon;5056254 said:
If you only knew how much respect he gets in the football media. Goose has told us the truth about the issues with this franchise. The problem is so many refuse to accept it.

When did he say that?

Do the research. Goose said it earlier this year before we signed Romo.
 

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Joe Rod;5056253 said:
Goose was fantastic in his draft coverage. Few were more knowledgeable or respected. I understand he is also quite respected in his HOF work. Kudos to him there.

If everyone were totally honest, he is nothing more than average at best in his current role as a Sports Columnist. It's a shame that we as fans not only have to deal with his poor columns, but that it is at the expense of his incredible work on the draft is just criminal.
EXACTLY! I just don't get the hate for him when he is better at his job than 99% of us at our jobs. Yeah he's not the best sports columnists but he will be known for his expertise with the draft and HOF. We are lucky to have him in Dallas.
 

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newnationcb;5056250 said:
Did you know if we didn't extend Romo we woulda had to forfeit all of our picks tomorrow?

Whew!
Also, accordong to Goose, no way Dallas will try to play Bruce Carter at the WIL because the fit is horrible. He pounded the table on this one. Guess we'll see.

Must say that I don't have any "hate" for him, but I tend to disagree with him often on straight up football matters.

Plus, just in general, I liked very few of his articles sonce he became more of a general writer again. For example, he'll gather and present information with a goal in mind, but the data doesn't really back up what his agenda is. That has happened more than once in the last few months.

Loved his work on the draft though. He was a great accumulator of information reagrding those top 100 every year. Of course, none of this was his assessment of talent, it was based on having good contract and, as Z pointed out, being trusted around the league.
 

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Zordon;5056274 said:
EXACTLY! I just don't get the hate for him when he is better at his job than 99% of us at our jobs. Yeah he's not the best sports columnists but he will be known for his expertise with the draft and HOF. We are lucky to have him in Dallas.

No, he is not better than 99% of us at our jobs.

He was better than 99% of us at our jobs when he was working the draft and providing general NFL knowledge. He had a network of scouts he worked with form around the league and had great insight into where players were ranked and who liked whom.

Now he is just a spare guy that gets outwritten by thousands of bloggers.
He has been open in that he hates the Cowboys fan base because they attack him not being a homer. What's worse is you "hear it" in his coverage. He is as likable as Tywin Lannister.
 

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jterrell;5056285 said:
No, he is not better than 99% of us at our jobs.

He was better than 99% of us at our jobs when he was working the draft and providing general NFL knowledge. He had a network of scouts he worked with form around the league and had great insight into where players were ranked and who liked whom.

Now he is just a spare guy that gets outwritten by thousands of bloggers.
He has been open in that he hates the Cowboys fan base because they attack him not being a homer. What's worse is you "hear it" in his coverage. He is as likable as Tywin Lannister.
He was great for many years. DMN offered him a position with more money and he took it despite it watering down his product. Doesn't mean what he did for 2 decades is forgotten. I have tremendous respect for Norm Hitzges, and he says he pretty much looked up to Goose for many years b/c of his work ethic when it came to the draft.

Goose has been telling the truth about the Cowboys for many years. The Cowboys have been bad bad bad for a long time. Why some expect rosy stories about this franchise is beyond me.

If Blackie and Luksa were still around best believe they would be hammering this franchise as well.
 

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Zordon;5056320 said:
He was great for many years. DMN offered him a position with more money and he took it despite it watering down his product. Doesn't mean what he did for 2 decades is forgotten. I have tremendous respect for Norm Hitzges, and he says he pretty much looked up to Goose for many years b/c of his work ethic when it came to the draft.

Goose has been telling the truth about the Cowboys for many years. The Cowboys have been bad bad bad for a long time. Why some expect rosy stories about this franchise is beyond me.

If Blackie and Luksa were still around best believe they would be hammering this franchise as well.

Not sure any of what you said changes the basic fact that Goose is not even in the same universe as Blackie. To list them together is pretty much blasphemy.

I completely respect the draft work Goose did for 20 years and in fact it was a coup for the DMN to have him winning awards for that coverage.

But it is also quite true that he became jaded by the fan base reaction and let that affect his work. His Cowboys criticism is fair at times but largely over the top and dripping with bitter cynicism. Blackie could've criticized the Cowboys and had us all laughing along and agreeing.

Dallas has been a slightly above average team the past decade not some bottom of the barrel team that needs to constantly be kicked.

Goose argued that Dallas was in serious jeopardy of not being able to conduct the draft because they needed to resign Romo ... and then as soon as Dallas resigned Romo he went ballistic about how bad a move that was. I kid you not.
 

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jterrell;5056353 said:
Not sure any of what you said changes the basic fact that Goose is not even in the same universe as Blackie. To list them together is pretty much blasphemy.

I completely respect the draft work Goose did for 20 years and in fact it was a coup for the DMN to have him winning awards for that coverage.

But it is also quite true that he became jaded by the fan base reaction and let that affect his work. His Cowboys criticism is fair at times but largely over the top and dripping with bitter cynicism. Blackie could've criticized the Cowboys and had us all laughing along and agreeing.

Dallas has been a slightly above average team the past decade not some bottom of the barrel team that needs to constantly be kicked.

Goose argued that Dallas was in serious jeopardy of not being able to conduct the draft because they needed to resign Romo ... and then as soon as Dallas resigned Romo he went ballistic about how bad a move that was. I kid you not.
Part of my issue with him is how clearly cynical he has become and how unprofessional it makes him appear.
That falls in line with what I was referring to regarding some of his non-draft work seeming almost agenda driven.

For example, he claims moving to the 4-3 set Dallas back 3-4 years . Really? Compared to what?
 

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Joe Rod;5056253 said:
Goose was fantastic in his draft coverage. Few were more knowledgeable or respected. I understand he is also quite respected in his HOF work. Kudos to him there.

If everyone were totally honest, he is nothing more than average at best in his current role as a Sports Columnist. It's a shame that we as fans not only have to deal with his poor columns, but that it is at the expense of his incredible work on the draft is just criminal.
You got that right!
 

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The change in Gosselin's duties were not his preference from my understanding. DMN just couldn't afford to have 1 guy dedicated to just covering the draft and non-Cowboys related NFL issues.

The Internet is killing DMN.
 

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jterrell;5056353 said:
Not sure any of what you said changes the basic fact that Goose is not even in the same universe as Blackie. To list them together is pretty much blasphemy.

I completely respect the draft work Goose did for 20 years and in fact it was a coup for the DMN to have him winning awards for that coverage.

But it is also quite true that he became jaded by the fan base reaction and let that affect his work. His Cowboys criticism is fair at times but largely over the top and dripping with bitter cynicism. Blackie could've criticized the Cowboys and had us all laughing along and agreeing.

Dallas has been a slightly above average team the past decade not some bottom of the barrel team that needs to constantly be kicked.

Goose argued that Dallas was in serious jeopardy of not being able to conduct the draft because they needed to resign Romo ... and then as soon as Dallas resigned Romo he went ballistic about how bad a move that was. I kid you not.
Goose is closer to Blackie then he is to Watkins/Mcmahon and the rest of espn dallas buffoons I see him compared to on the regular on CZ.

Blackie was a poet. Goose is more of a technical writer. They do two different things but I compare them b/c they both put effort into their craft, unlike the buffoons we have today covering the team.

If I accept that he has become a little cynical the past few years will you accept that some here have berated Goose simply b/c they cannot accept the harsh truths he spits out about this franchise?
 
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