Gosselin: Cowboys can learn two things from 49ers and Seahawks this weekend

[jterrell]

agree but paying the wrong guys may be worse than not paying in a league with a salary cap

i am also not convinced that we are paying all the wrong guys, i have truly come around to the notion that the prevalent culture of the team, largely because of the influence of jerry jones, just creates an environment where holding players accountable and running a team with the sort of discipline that bellichick or harbaugh do it might not be possible for the HC

now, some guys are just who they are, witten, sean lee, they are self starters and have a higher degree of self respect, i do i think that on that seattle team or SF team or NE, players like carter would be true difference-makers

JMO

Not arguing any of that. Just saying, let's kick Jerry where it is warranted.
Not just randomly to the point it makes everyone look silly and in fact even validates him as the same one.

 

[Idgit]

Meh. Fix the obvious hole in the pass defense and you guys can take or leave running the ball more. It won't matter as much at that point, anyway.

 

[jterrell]

Yea.

A. This organization has no plan. They don't know how to build a winner. They can't even copy proven ways of winning so all this talk is just nonsense.

B. gosselin writes the same article very year, and he changes how the organization should be operating every year. A few years ago we needed only to draft pass rushers and win like the giants did, then it was we needed to be able to run the ball and get takeaways like Pittsburgh. Then we needed to have a deeper roster because its the deep roster that won the sb for GB. In GB injuries do not matter...yea uh huh. Then it was back to being the giants and how they operated. Then last year this guy was suggesting we could learn from the Commanders.

He just writes this same sorry article every year. He knows as little about building a winner as the jones family does.

Bottom line here the important changes, the tough changes will never be made. The jones family will continue to pick the players, they will continue to undermine the coaches authority by talking all week before games, after games and having to be the voices of the organization.

And they will it hire a coach who operates the right way again because they won't allow that type of environment.

Here is what I know as a fan. The team thanks to a guy was here years ago has a quarterback who has been the difference between 5-11 that we were under campo. The jones family is set to never lose. The stadium will always be filled with fans, merchandise will always be bought, nationally televised games will always be played. The cowboys are just as good to them a loser as they are a winner. Jerry will take the credit if we ever win again and if we lose like recently he will just talk about the stadium.

And while all us fans try to view this stuff through common sense it's a waste of time, they are not going to change. Next year the first ever college football championship is going to be played at Jerry world, the NCAA basketball tournament this year....etc..etc...

No matter what they are buisness men who think and act like them. That is why the football product is always so poor. It's not going to change. They all have 80 different things going at once which are all related to making money for the cowboys brand. The football stuff is not that important. They are already getting what they want from that.

Anyway, god i hate talking about this and that damn family. They have basically almost ruin my love of the nfl and the cowboys. I can't stand them and wish they would just go buy casinos in Las Vegas and go away.

great post IMHO.
I am not strongly anti-Jerry Jones which would seem to be a pre-requisite here but the truth inside is undeniable.

and you are 100% correct that Goose recycles the crap out of articles.
As he did with the injury crap where he used a made up "expected" starter status as some tell all metric for injury woes.

The Cowboys problem is we are followers and need to be leaders.
Instead of emulating the Hawks or 49ers how about we simply plan to beat them??????!!!???

 

[Stash]

Someone forgot to tell Seattle and SF that fact. Or Denver obviously.

While it is fun to look at their running game and defense... and talk big ole fun beef... reality is those teams are loaded basically EVERYWHERE.
Seattle's weakest positional group this year has been OL and WR.
They are the best DB group (led by an all Pro safety) in football and the DL is in top 3.
They have a top 3 RB and a young, cheap QB who frees up a fortune to spend elsewhere such as that insanely deep DL.

SF has R1 picks every friggin where. They were terrible for a long time and as they drafted all those OL they were still losing.
But they hit on a Head coach and a cheap QB and voila!!!!
It helps when they have a top 10 pick at WR, TE and loaded defense lead by R1 guys including at Safety.

Those two teams have a crap ton more talent than Dallas who is starting spares by both design and injury. And they have about 20M more cap dollars spent at QB alone...

Here's something else both teams have in common.

A personnel guy named Scot McCloughan.

Coincidence?

According to Jerry it is, I'm sure.

 

[Direwolf63]

Yea.

A. This organization has no plan. They don't know how to build a winner. They can't even copy proven ways of winning so all this talk is just nonsense.

B. gosselin writes the same article very year, and he changes how the organization should be operating every year. A few years ago we needed only to draft pass rushers and win like the giants did, then it was we needed to be able to run the ball and get takeaways like Pittsburgh. Then we needed to have a deeper roster because its the deep roster that won the sb for GB. In GB injuries do not matter...yea uh huh. Then it was back to being the giants and how they operated. Then last year this guy was suggesting we could learn from the Commanders.

He just writes this same sorry article every year. He knows as little about building a winner as the jones family does.

Bottom line here the important changes, the tough changes will never be made. The jones family will continue to pick the players, they will continue to undermine the coaches authority by talking all week before games, after games and having to be the voices of the organization.

And they will it hire a coach who operates the right way again because they won't allow that type of environment.

Here is what I know as a fan. The team thanks to a guy was here years ago has a quarterback who has been the difference between 5-11 that we were under campo. The jones family is set to never lose. The stadium will always be filled with fans, merchandise will always be bought, nationally televised games will always be played. The cowboys are just as good to them a loser as they are a winner. Jerry will take the credit if we ever win again and if we lose like recently he will just talk about the stadium.

And while all us fans try to view this stuff through common sense it's a waste of time, they are not going to change. Next year the first ever college football championship is going to be played at Jerry world, the NCAA basketball tournament this year....etc..etc...

No matter what they are buisness men who think and act like them. That is why the football product is always so poor. It's not going to change. They all have 80 different things going at once which are all related to making money for the cowboys brand. The football stuff is not that important. They are already getting what they want from that.

Anyway, god i hate talking about this and that damn family. They have basically almost ruin my love of the nfl and the cowboys. I can't stand them and wish they would just go buy casinos in Las Vegas and go away.

One of the best posts I've read in a long time. I agree with every word. Well said.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

But what is he advocating, really? Jerry has brought in multiple highly-regarded defensive coaches over the past decade. He's spent big money on free agent contracts for defensive players and he's invested heavily in high round draft picks. It's not as if the defense has been ignored. The decisions simply haven't panned out for a myriad of reasons. But the decisions were all defensible at the time they were made, and they were made for the single goal of making the defense better.

It's just a stupid article.

Redundant perhaps; not stupid.

As I stated in an earlier post: I agree with Goose that, if the coaching staff is to remain the same, the approach has to change. At least on defense.

 

[Redball Express]

Come on man.
Ware, Spencer, Carr, Lee, Ratliff, Mo

Jerry might pay the wrong guys and he may have drafted like crap for a decade but he has paid guys on both sides of the ball.
Paying people has never been an issue.

Actually..

I'd like to see the figures concerning the offense vs. the defense and how the cap looks like that.

Willing to bet its heavily weighted offense..hmmm.

And part of my point is that Jerrah overpays for his players BEFORE they produce.

 

[Zordon]

great post IMHO.
I am not strongly anti-Jerry Jones which would seem to be a pre-requisite here but the truth inside is undeniable.

and you are 100% correct that Goose recycles the crap out of articles.
As he did with the injury crap where he used a made up "expected" starter status as some tell all metric for injury woes.
The Cowboys problem is we are followers and need to be leaders.
Instead of emulating the Hawks or 49ers how about we simply plan to beat them??????!!!???

been saying this for years now. this is a very reactive organization. jerry jones has been trying to copy the giants for 5 years. he is obsessed with them. every preseason it seems like he mentions them in some regard. i will throw up the next time he mentions "the giants getting hot in the playoffs in 2011".

then a couple of years ago he got a new shiny toy, the niners linebackers:

“This is my dream. It’s not exactly the prototype for the makeup of the two guys you’d want in the middle – you might want more of a thumper, a big guy, to go along with Sean Lee. But if we can keep both those guys out there, adjust our defense, we might be going toward Bowman and Willis area like they have in San Francisco.”

Then this year, like the psychopath that he is, out of the blue he starts the Peyton Manning love fest, putting 2 weeks worth of unnecessary pressure and media criticism on his quarterback.

“Tony is going to have more time, more presence, not only in the offseason but when the season starts, beginning Monday, assuming we played Sundays. He’s going to have more time on the job. A part of what we agreed with was extra time on the job, beyond the norm. That doesn’t mean that he didn’t have a lot of time on the job, but extra time on the job, Peyton Manning-type time on the job.”

what will spark the man's interest this year? the way he jumps from one shiny toy to another is not normal behavior. working for him must be a terrible. never having a philosophy, never having an identity, never having a long-term outlook on things has to be difficult on the scouts particularly. i really feel sorry for them sometimes. it didn't used to be like this. the cowboys used to be innovators. tom landry was an innovator. tex schramm was an innovator. jimmy johnson was a mentor for many young coaches. fast forward to today, can you tell me one thing this franchise was ahead of the curve on in regards to football the last decade? nothing, we have become copy cats. like @theebs said this is what happens when you have business men running a football team. i despise that entire family for what they've done to this franchise.

 

[Fritsch_the_cat]

As Tom Landry used to say, "Offense sells tickets and defense wins championships", and we know what Jerry's main concern is.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

I don't think there's a template for success in this league. You have to do this well or that well. I think if you can be very good on one side of the ball and respectable on the other side, you have a chance.

The Cowboys are very good on offense, despite the cries from the Garrett lynch mob. They are inept on defense. I don't see how that changes next year. There's only so much upgrading one team can do in a single offseason and with no cap room to speak of.

You're right , they are very good on offense, in spite of Garrett. This offense has all the weapons you could ever want, but they are not used wisely. There is no reason why a defense can eliminate Dez or Witten, (many times in the same game as per Garrett). There's little creativity in getting the play makers the ball. There is no urgency with this offense, even when in the hurry up, they snap the ball with less than 5 seconds on the clock. This offense with all the available weapons, should be unstoppable with a creative mind running it. Defenses have figured out the offense, and the play calling tendencies.

The defense is horrendous and will take more than one off season to fix it. You can not expect a bunch of rookies to come in and play like vets from the get go. This is the Cowboys, they draft guys that need 2 or 3 years to develop. I don't see this team going 8-8 next year. Unless the offensive strategies change and becomes an attacking one.

 

[DenCWBY]

Yea.

A. This organization has no plan. They don't know how to build a winner. They can't even copy proven ways of winning so all this talk is just nonsense.

B. gosselin writes the same article very year, and he changes how the organization should be operating every year. A few years ago we needed only to draft pass rushers and win like the giants did, then it was we needed to be able to run the ball and get takeaways like Pittsburgh. Then we needed to have a deeper roster because its the deep roster that won the sb for GB. In GB injuries do not matter...yea uh huh. Then it was back to being the giants and how they operated. Then last year this guy was suggesting we could learn from the Commanders.

He just writes this same sorry article every year. He knows as little about building a winner as the jones family does.

Bottom line here the important changes, the tough changes will never be made. The jones family will continue to pick the players, they will continue to undermine the coaches authority by talking all week before games, after games and having to be the voices of the organization.

And they will it hire a coach who operates the right way again because they won't allow that type of environment.

Here is what I know as a fan. The team thanks to a guy was here years ago has a quarterback who has been the difference between 5-11 that we were under campo. The jones family is set to never lose. The stadium will always be filled with fans, merchandise will always be bought, nationally televised games will always be played. The cowboys are just as good to them a loser as they are a winner. Jerry will take the credit if we ever win again and if we lose like recently he will just talk about the stadium.

And while all us fans try to view this stuff through common sense it's a waste of time, they are not going to change. Next year the first ever college football championship is going to be played at Jerry world, the NCAA basketball tournament this year....etc..etc...

No matter what they are buisness men who think and act like them. That is why the football product is always so poor. It's not going to change. They all have 80 different things going at once which are all related to making money for the cowboys brand. The football stuff is not that important. They are already getting what they want from that.

Anyway, god i hate talking about this and that damn family. They have basically almost ruin my love of the nfl and the cowboys. I can't stand them and wish they would just go buy casinos in Las Vegas and go away.

Homerun Theebs. Put it in ink in the DMN.

 

[Rockport]

I don't agree with Gosselin very often, but I think his case is well presented here and sums up what I feel is a major contributor to this team' s struggles.


Jerry Jones apparently has decided that coaching was not the problem in the underachievement of his Cowboys in 2013.

Jones said a month ago that head coach Jason Garrett was safe and, as the days and weeks have passed, it appears coordinators Bill Callahan on offense and Monte Kiffin on defense are safe as well.

With the money Jones has tied up in this staff, who can blame him? Kiffin, Callahan, Rod Marinelli and Rich Bisaccia are all big-ticket items. Firing assistant coaches each year for a team’s shortcomings can become an expensive proposition for Jones.

If the voices don’t change, Jones would be wise to press his staff to change its approach. What the Cowboys are doing isn’t working.

Let’s hope the Jones family, like the rest of us, watched the playoffs on television last weekend to see just what is working in the NFL these days. In particular, what is working in the NFC.

If the Cowboys hope to one day compete with the San Franciscos and Seattles for NFC titles and Super Bowls, they need to do two things: Run the ball and play defense.

Both are foreign concepts to this coaching staff.

The 49ers and Seahawks, who meet for the NFC title on Sunday, finished in the NFL’s top five this season in both rushing and defense. That combination provides the backbone of their Super Bowl aspirations.

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...ings-from-49ers-and-seahawks-this-weekend.ece

Like I've been saying all year and got critisized over and over about it.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

It's as clear as day to me.

1. Develop the running game that seemed to finally work the last 2 games.
2. Go short-range with passing. (And I don't mean dinky 2-yard passes)
3. Pressure defense (Again, Kiffie never had a chance with all the injuries).
4. Special teams (demand the best special teams coaches and players and hire 2 of the best head hunters for kickoffs that you can get)
5. Retrain Callahan as to when to pass and when to run.

 

[percyhoward]

Denver and NE were 19th and 26th in defense and 15th and 9th in running the ball.

In addition Denver was 1st in passing offense while NE was 10th.

There are times when it sure helps an offense to be able to run the ball, but how well you pass will generally determine how much success you'll have as an offense.

As for defense, you've got the right idea in checking the stats, but you're looking at the wrong stats. Denver and NE were 19th and 26th in yards allowed. Yards don't correlate to winning, scoring does. Denver and NE were 19th and 10th in points per drive, a stat that considers only scores allowed by the defense (not offense or special teams) and compensates for the uneven number of drives each defense faced during the season. So, the Broncos had a slighly below average defense and the Patriots had a top 10 defense.

Points per drive differential gives you a very good idea of how good your team is. Denver's defense ranked 19th, but its offense ranked 1st and was so far ahead of the pack that the Broncos' differential also ranked 1st -- making them the best team. The Patriots' offense ranked 6th, and combined with their 10th-ranked defense, their differential had them ranked as the 7th-best team.

Dallas ranked 4th and 30th for a differential that ranked 17th -- an average team.

1 Denver off 1, def 19
2 Seattle off 9, def 1
3 New Orleans off 3, def 8
4 Carolina off 10, def 2
5 Cincinnatti off 13, def 3
6 San Francisco off 12, def 4
7 New England off 6, def 10

17 Dallas off 4th, def 30th

 

[Risen Star]

Whenever I see Percy debating with a member on here I imagine him grabbing the other guy's hands and playing the "quit hitting yourself!" game with him.

 

[percyhoward]

Whenever I see Percy debating with a member on here I imagine him grabbing the other guy's hands and playing the "quit hitting yourself!" game with him.

Winicki's right about passing being more important, though. I'm just trying to get people to stop attaching meaning to yardage stats.

 

[ccb04]

In addition to the coaching aspect...defensively in particular, the Cowboys simply lack the talent of the 49'ers or Seahawks. The 49'ers have a truly dominant LB'ing unit, and are solid on all 3 levels. Seattle has the best secondary in the league, improved their pass rush via free agency, and also have solid young LB's like Wagner.

 

[AbeBeta]

Those teams have great rushing games because they both have QBs who went for over 500 yards. I don't see what we can learn from that really.

Now what they do on D and how the seem to bully offenses, that I like

 

[DFWJC]

Dallas' total defense ranked dead last by a large margin.
Scoring defense was not far behind.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Dynamite analysis, Goose. I'm sure you got this in before your deadline.



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