Grade the Pickens trade

[Acceptablename]

Ok...when I see someone use slippery language that begs for affirmation "The press (as we all know)..." - I suspect their arguments are suspect.

First, everyone gets their information from someone else who was there. Either they were classically trained or they are an amateur. Both have drawbacks, but the notion that Pickens behavior - on the field, in the lockerrrom - is a "media" creation, IS LAZY AND DISINGENUOUS. Lazy because it becomes the default backdoor for people who LACK ACCOUNTABILITY and it is not an honest assessment of his behavior...including grabbing Lamb's facemask like a punk BECAUSE HE'S A SORE LOSER.

Nah...you're gonna have to come better than the lazy "it's the media" argument. Unless you want to tell me you have direct sources denied to the rest of us. Just how did you "look past" all those reports and get the "real truth"?

First off tell me who you rather have. Who will produce at the level that Pickens produces. I don't know where last night but Peter on I don't remember what show says he's talked to a lot of guys in the locker room at Pittsburgh and he is not a problem in the locker room. He is a diva. Oh gosh that never happens.
Why is it slippery to suggest the media isn't always trustworthy. Very interesting?
We got a good receiver in the house. Now it's time to tear him down

 

[kevm3]

Not mad at this trade. We usually use a 2nd or 3rd on a gamble anyways, so a 3rd for a proven player isnt bad

 

[OGSixshooter]

First off tell me who you rather have. Who will produce at the level that Pickens produces. I don't know where last night but Peter on I don't remember what show says he's talked to a lot of guys in the locker room at Pittsburgh and he is not a problem in the locker room. He is a diva. Oh gosh that never happens.
Why is it slippery to suggest the media isn't always trustworthy. Very interesting?
We got a good receiver in the house. Now it's time to tear him down

yes, it was slippery...especially the "everyone knows" blanket statement. But you kind of make my point. "Everyone knows" that all WRs are divas...but that doesn't that MAKE "the media's" point then? Who was the person who is being duped if he truly is a diva but his behavior is also a "media creation"?

I'm not trying to tear him down, but asking him to own ALL OF HIS BEHAVIOR - good and bad - is somehow an attack on him?

Suspect...

 

[Bigrandrn]

Pickens is a diva wr. That's common in the NFL. Remember when Deb pouted flopping on the sideline. He was also a great benift to Cowboys. Cooper doesn't have even close to Pickens. Why is he still on the marlet

I get that, Pickens has BIG potential and can be a weapon for sure…..but is he worth a 3rd and 5th that may only be with us 1 season? If they sign him to an extension and he doesn’t pull that quitting on play stuff he did at Pitt, then yes, it could be with it….its just the what ifs I guess.

 

[Bigrandrn]

I say it isn't and I'm leaving it right there because i'm done with player fans giving me tire head lack of fans that have lack of common sense just let it go let it go there's been worse players or on par that are on the Hall of Fame lots of them like Trello Owens was supposed to be a cancer in what way was he a cancer in a distraction just because he was a diva that wanted the football and the same way with Dez Bryant they said in the locker room he was not this happened on the field in the heat of the moment when things weren't gone right he showed some immaturity we sucked didn't miles Garrett swing a helmet at somebody I mean sometimes you get on the field and passion and the heat of the moment takes over but in no way have they said his locker room was becoming a cancer he was screaming yelling at teammates on the field and I've seen it before and we'll see it again....

They moved on from Naji Harris as well they don't have a quarterback all teams make moves like this he's not being moved and no there shouldn't be criticism for this trade they needed a clear number two and instead of they got a 1B this is so much next level from getting Amari Cooper who also had baggage with him about taking plays off he almost never practiced he rather played chess he always over exaggerated his foot injury to get out of practice he took plays off he hell he took some games off on the road you guys wanted Keenan Allen and Amari Cooper who both didn't even have stats better than Tolbert last year.

I a hundred percent disagree with you. This is beyond what we thought they were going to do or should do they made a really good trade for a young player who was a starting wide receiver for the Pittsburgh Steelers and we're going to use them as a number two but he's a 1B this is well beyond all expectations and we'll see how it goes if they thought it was that big a problem didn't Brian Schottenheimer say they were trying to change the culture and they didn't want any problem people you don't think they had long talks with other players and coaches from that team you act like you think you know things they didn't make this trade blindly they've been talking about it for over three weeks now and they finally made it happen I guarantee they did their homework they did their research if you don't like it too bad and the criticism is not necessary let's let him play 17 games here and see how he affects the team good bad or indifferent and we can talk if not..

Too bad so sad it already happened like the Prescott signing already happened he's already here you all these complaints are absolutely a waste of time they're a monumental waste of just mouse running over because you want to be like spoiled toddlers you think you know how to build a team better than actually professional group who actually own the team and they made a move everybody wanted them to get a better receiver and they got a better receiver never good enough around here..

Like I mentioned, a BIG part of this is does he get an extension, cuz he only has one year left….a 3rd and 5th for a 1 year rental possible? It’s not just the diva aspect, it’s giving up those picks for someone who might not even be there in a year. If they sign him and he doesn’t quit on the field again, then yeah, it could work out well due to his talent….but there ARE what ifs…..there was a reason Pitt traded him in the first place.

 

[Flamma]

Not only that, but the draft picks are for the 2027 draft, not next year. For some reason, that makes me like the trade even more.

I'm pretty sure we lose the 2026 3rd round pick.

 

[Flamma]

F - traded away resources for a player that will not make a difference on how the season ends. It would end the exact same way with or without this player - no SB. Waste of future resources for no return on investment.

No WR changes how this season ends. Just gives us a lower draft pick. Which leads me to believe they are giving him an extension. It wouldn't make sense otherwise.

 

[Flamma]

I would have traded for Alec Pierce on the Colts.

Dallas could still get Alec Pierce with the 6th rounder we got from Pittsburgh in 2027.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

No WR changes how this season ends. Just gives us a lower draft pick. Which leads me to believe they are giving him an extension. It wouldn't make sense otherwise.

It doesn't make sense no matter what. Do that in 2-3 years when you have a QB that might actually win something. Until then, just gather resources so you can move quickly once the current QB is off the roster.

 

[CWR]

You are a Jerry enabler.

Omw to the pro-shop. Gonna get me a Pickens jersey.

 

[BaybeeJay]

hmmm, we have drafted
Beebe
Osa
Tolbert,
overshown
Gallup in the 3rd

in another thread somebody claimed success rate of 25%

people are just reaching for a number to win their argument. they are not fact based.

The number I cited is a league-wide number. For any particular team, over any particular time period, that rate may be higher or lower.

 

[Mikexike]

B+ for me, I'm tired of seeing dak throw it up to brooks and flournoy hoping they will bail him out... Pickens will bail him out.

 

[DandyDon52]

C+

Short term value is high but this team is dependent on draft picks for long term viability and that brings giving up a 3rd for a headcase down to a C+. Had it been a 4th round pick were looking at a B grade, 5th or later an A. Great talent but if he leaves after 1 year I think it's a waste. But then again they keep wasting 4th round picks on guys who have proven they can't play at this level so it's got to be an improvement on those bums.

I have to disagree, they would not get him for less than a 3, and that is a bargain !
Keep in mind dallas used a 2nd round pick on bossman fat ! and many other 2nd round picks have been almost as bad. Many bad 3rd round picks too.

I give this a A+ till I see it isnt during the season.
Lets see what happens this season before we really judge this trade.

 

[Flamma]

It doesn't make sense no matter what. Do that in 2-3 years when you have a QB that might actually win something. Until then, just gather resources so you can move quickly once the current QB is off the roster.

The person making these decisions thinks otherwise, obviously. Or else he wouldn't have given our QB that ridiculous contract. I'm just shocked Jerry made any effort at all.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

Impossible to tell.

It's the last year of his contract. I personally HATE 1 year rentals where you give up valuable draft picks to get them for a single year. If that's the intention...it's an F from me.

If the intention is to resign him to a lucrative deal if it works out, then a 3rd rounder is fine, but that would be a whole lot of cash tied up in the WR group, with a major question mark throwing to them.

And how would Re-sign him impact Mucah's deal?

This feels like a 1 year rental to me for a 3rd rd pick...which I hate

 

[atlantacowboy]

I think a lot of cowboy fans are not familiar with Pickens and are just looking at the stat sheet. This was the kind of trade you make when you have a team that can compete for a championship. This team is going to have a tough time on defense. I think Jerry and son are not taking a sober look at who’s in this division and how we match up.

 

[lwehlers]

i grade this trade as a C-. the cowboys traded a third round pick on a one year player. there is no way that the cowboys are going to resign this guy. pickens is going to want thirty million ayear after next year. hopefully he stay healthy.

 

[Acceptablename]

I get that, Pickens has BIG potential and can be a weapon for sure…..but is he worth a 3rd and 5th that may only be with us 1 season? If they sign him to an extension and he doesn’t pull that quitting on play stuff he did at Pitt, then yes, it could be with it….its just the what ifs I gue

Jones took a swing for a damn good #2 wr. Who is a diva. It ain't uncommon wr are divas. It is uncommon for Jones to take the big swing.

 

[gtb1943]

I do not have a problem with him being a Diva since virtually any WR worth a flying squirrel is a diva.

 

[Acceptablename]

yes, it was slippery...especially the "everyone knows" blanket statement. But you kind of make my point. "Everyone knows" that all WRs are divas...but that doesn't that MAKE "the media's" point then? Who was the person who is being duped if he truly is a diva but his behavior is also a "media creation"?

I'm not trying to tear him down, but asking him to own ALL OF HIS BEHAVIOR - good and bad - is somehow an attack on him?

Suspect...

If you like Peter Schrager give him a listen other wise you're just ,, here to argue