Grantland: All Bad Contracts Team

[Nightman]

Last year he had Orlando Scandrick on it. I don't trust Barnwells judgment on anything.

When I read something that is so stupid I have to go back and see who wrote it, it is inevitably Barnwell.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

The writer has probably never seen Parnell play. He is just going by the fact that he was a backup and then got a big contract.

It's the "I've never heard of this guy, so he must not be any good" mentality.

So, just curious, how do you feel about Joseph Randle?

 

[dallasdave]

When I read something that is so stupid I have to go back and see who wrote it, it is inevitably Barnwell.

Hey, glad we have a capologist to give us info on the Dallas cap. Maybe you can give us a thread on the cap like Adam used to back in the day.

 

[Nightman]

Hey, glad we have a capologist to give us info on the Dallas cap. Maybe you can give us a thread on the cap like Adam used to back in the day.

I don't have half the knowledge or info that Adam has.

I just enjoy the cap side of contracts more than most and seeing how the numbers fit.

If you have questions though I will try to help or find the right answer.

I do know we are around 17m+ under the cap right now. We will owe Hardy 5.6m of that if his suspension stays at 4 games.

 

[dallasdave]

I don't have half the knowledge or info that Adam has.

I just enjoy the cap side of contracts more than most and seeing how the numbers fit.

If you have questions though I will try to help or find the right answer.

I do know we are around 17m+ under the cap right now. We will owe Hardy 5.6m of that if his suspension stays at 4 games.

Thanks good to have someone with some who knows the cap.

 

[xwalker]

So, just curious, how do you feel about Joseph Randle?

I think Randle will be good behind the Cowboys OLine. He was good in limited opportunities last year and very good in college. He fell in the draft because of his personality/immaturity issues which we saw last year. He had a down year in 2013 relative to 2014 and college.

I think they need a legit 2nd RB to keep the pressure from being too much on Randle. He has struggled with interactions with the media. He was scheduled for a radio interview today but I have not heard it.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

I think Randle will be good behind the Cowboys OLine. He was good in limited opportunities last year and very good in college. He fell in the draft because of his personality/immaturity issues which we saw last year. He had a down year in 2013 relative to 2014 and college.

I think they need a legit 2nd RB to keep the pressure from being too much on Randle. He has struggled with interactions with the media. He was scheduled for a radio interview today but I have not heard it.

I agree with you on Randle. I'm not too worried about his play on the field. And I hope McFadden can be that 2nd RB you talked about.

I just asked about Randle because he's similar to Parnell - a backup who looked good in limited opportunities.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

I think Randle will be good behind the Cowboys OLine. He was good in limited opportunities last year and very good in college. He fell in the draft because of his personality/immaturity issues which we saw last year. He had a down year in 2013 relative to 2014 and college.

I think they need a legit 2nd RB to keep the pressure from being too much on Randle. He has struggled with interactions with the media. He was scheduled for a radio interview today but I have not heard it.

Speaking of them (Joseph and Demarco), I was curious about their college careers so I looked them up. Murray was a pure workhorse his last 2 years at Oklahoma but when his carries went up his average went down (4.3 and 4.1). Randle never got nearly the carries but averaged 5.8 and 5.2 his last 2 years at Oklahoma State. I don't know much about the offenses they played behind to get a deeper understanding of the picture though. Randle was a track star so I'm curious to see how his measurables compared to Murray's.

Just looked it up.

Randle: 40: 4.63 sec, vertical: 35.0 inch, broad jump: 123.0 inch.

Murray: 40: 4.41 sec, vertical: 34.5 inch, broad jump: 124.0 inch, bench: 21 reps, 3 cone: 7.28 sec, 20 yard shuttle: 4.18 sec.

Surprised Murray was 0.22 faster on the 40 considering Randle's history as a track star and the fact that Murray appeared slow in the NFL while Randle appeared to have that breakaway speed.

 

[xwalker]

Speaking of them (Joseph and Demarco), I was curious about their college careers so I looked them up. Murray was a pure workhorse his last 2 years at Oklahoma but when his carries went up his average went down (4.3 and 4.1). Randle never got nearly the carries but averaged 5.8 and 5.2 his last 2 years at Oklahoma State. I don't know much about the offenses they played behind to get a deeper understanding of the picture though. Randle was a track star so I'm curious to see how his measurables compared to Murray's.

Just looked it up.

Randle: 40: 4.63 sec, vertical: 35.0 inch, broad jump: 123.0 inch.

Murray: 40: 4.41 sec, vertical: 34.5 inch, broad jump: 124.0 inch, bench: 21 reps, 3 cone: 7.28 sec, 20 yard shuttle: 4.18 sec.

Surprised Murray was 0.22 faster on the 40 considering Randle's history as a track star and the fact that Murray appeared slow in the NFL while Randle appeared to have that breakaway speed.

Randle is definitely

Speaking of them (Joseph and Demarco), I was curious about their college careers so I looked them up. Murray was a pure workhorse his last 2 years at Oklahoma but when his carries went up his average went down (4.3 and 4.1). Randle never got nearly the carries but averaged 5.8 and 5.2 his last 2 years at Oklahoma State. I don't know much about the offenses they played behind to get a deeper understanding of the picture though. Randle was a track star so I'm curious to see how his measurables compared to Murray's.

Just looked it up.

Randle: 40: 4.63 sec, vertical: 35.0 inch, broad jump: 123.0 inch.

Murray: 40: 4.41 sec, vertical: 34.5 inch, broad jump: 124.0 inch, bench: 21 reps, 3 cone: 7.28 sec, 20 yard shuttle: 4.18 sec.

Surprised Murray was 0.22 faster on the 40 considering Randle's history as a track star and the fact that Murray appeared slow in the NFL while Randle appeared to have that breakaway speed.

Randle looked like a 4.6 guy in 2013, but looked much faster in 2014.

 

[perrykemp]

The writer has probably never seen Parnell play. He is just going by the fact that he was a backup and then got a big contract.

It's the "I've never heard of this guy, so he must not be any good" mentality.

Counterpoint would be, without watching him play a single snap, one could reasonably speculate why a 29 year old player, who has spent much of his career playing on a team with average OL, has only started 7 games in his career.

I suspect the counter-argument to that is that Parnell is late bloomer...

 

[speedkilz88]

Randle is definitely

Randle looked like a 4.6 guy in 2013, but looked much faster in 2014.

Almost as if Randle and Murray swapped 40 times.

 

[BigStar]

Randle is definitely

Randle looked like a 4.6 guy in 2013, but looked much faster in 2014.

I swear this is definitely true in regards to the change in his speed. He appeared sluggish in 13' to the point I jokingly called him a RB w/FB speed bc he lacked any burst. He really worked on his body after that season and looked like a totally different back last year (speed/agility mainly).

 

[xwalker]

Counterpoint would be, without watching him play a single snap, one could reasonably speculate why a 29 year old player, who has spent much of his career playing on a team with average OL, has only started 7 games in his career.

I suspect the counter-argument to that is that Parnell is late bloomer...

Very very few NFL players came from his background of not really playing college football (He played 6 games as a backup DE). He was a 4 year basketball player in college. He was about 270 to 280 when he got to the Cowboys and had never played OL in his life. You can't judge that type of player on the same time frame as the average player most of whom were very good college football players.

 

[Seven]

Tackle: Jermey Parnell, Jaguars
In Parnell, though, the Jaguars are paying a massive premium for an undrafted free agent who was Dallas’s swing tackle the past three seasons. Parnell, who suited up for just 20.9 percent of Dallas’s offensive snaps over that time frame and has just seven career starts, will have the largest cap hit of any right tackle this season at a whopping $8 million. To be fair, the deal is structured with the largest cap hits first, so the Jaguars can basically be out of the deal after two years with no dead money after paying $14.5 million. It’s still a ton of money to pay for a guy who couldn’t beat out Doug Free for regular snaps during Free’s disappointing 2012-13 run.


OK, where's @xwalker when you need him?

Neither are good pass blockers.

It's just that Free is less crappy and has the experience.

So he got the nod...............

 

[Stash]

Neither are good pass blockers.

It's just that Free is less crappy and has the experience.

So he got the nod...............

And he came cheaper. That was a big factor too. But I feel one more indicative of age than quality of play.

In short, the Cowboys viewed both as close in overall grade, but knew the money to retain one of them would be vastly different.

 

[Seven]

And he came cheaper. That was a big factor too. But I feel one more indicative of age than quality of play.

In short, the Cowboys viewed both as close in overall grade, but knew the money to retain one of them would be vastly different.

Oh yah, stash. Absolutely. Money is playing a factor these days................a new Dallas direction and I'm all for it.

 

[Nightman]

And he came cheaper. That was a big factor too. But I feel one more indicative of age than quality of play.

In short, the Cowboys viewed both as close in overall grade, but knew the money to retain one of them would be vastly different.

I still think they gave Free too much money, especially coming off another surgery.

If we keep him next year it's a 5.5m cap hit and if we cut him it's 3m.

 

[Stash]

I still think they gave Free too much money, especially coming off another surgery.

If we keep him next year it's a 5.5m cap hit and if we cut him it's 3m.

I don't have a big issue with it. One more year of starting, and either another year of starting or a great swing tackle for 2016.

 

[xwalker]

I still think they gave Free too much money, especially coming off another surgery.

If we keep him next year it's a 5.5m cap hit and if we cut him it's 3m.

Agree.

I guess they paid him 500K for his play and 14.5M for "leadership" because I'm told they can't live without his "leadership".

Hopefully Weems is ready.

 

[Nightman]

I don't have a big issue with it. One more year of starting, and either another year of starting or a great swing tackle for 2016.

Not the worst, but we have dumped a lot of money and cap space on Free for continuity.

Now we have Collins and Green and Weems and will still have 3m in new dead money next year for Free.