Graziano: NFCE Chat Wrap - 04/03/13 *Cowboys blurbs*

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Austin (St. Louis): Which running back in the NFCE will be hurt the most by the new helmet rule?

DG: Whichever one stupidly insists on leading with the top of his helmet in the open field. That RB could be hurt very badly, and quite literally. But I will say that, at those meetings, a few people told me DeMarco Murray was held up as an example of a back that did that too much.

Mike (Easton, PA)



Here's a Cowboys draft scenario: The top 5 o-linemen are gone, Vacaro is gone, and Sheldon Richardson is gone. DJ Fluker, Ziggy Ansah, and Sylvester Williams are available. Who are you picking and why?
Dan Graziano (12:03 PM)




Well, all right. In that scenario you take Ansah, because he's a top-5 player who somehow fell to 18. But I don't think that's realistic. I also don't think it's realistic to believe five offensive linemen are going in the first 17 picks, since that's only happened once in the last 15 years. My persistent belief is that the Cowboys have to get a starting offensive lineman in the first round -- assuming, of course, a top-5 talent at an impact position like DE doesn't fall into their lap as he did in your scenario.

I think Fluker would be a fine pick for Dallas at 18, if for some reason the top 5 OLs are all gone by then.

Missing question in Chat

Dan Graziano (12:10 PM)




Yeah, look. I've personally never found Dez to be anything but pleasant to interview. And his coaches and teammates like working with him. It's the off-field stuff that bothers people, and truthfully you can see why. It's punk kind of stuff that tends to bother people. But he's still VERY young and has time to put it all in his past.

Tony (Richmond, CA)



Isn't the huge Romo contract another example of why the Cowboys will never contend with Jerry Jones as the helm? Romo has only one playoff victory and has not made postseason in three years. Choking twice with match point on his racket at the end of the season.
Dan Graziano (12:16 PM)




"Never contend" is a funny thing to say about a team that has played in a division title game each of the last two Week 17s.

Anthony (Iowa)



Who's the forerunner to win the 3rd LB spot for Dallas? Albright, Durant, Sims, or a draft pick?
Dan Graziano (12:17 PM)




I think Durant was signed to be the starter there.

Matt (Kansas City)



You are at the point where you can't see the Cowboys drafting anything but an OL in the 1st round? If the texas safety is there, you'd still have them pick Fluker? I just feel like its not going to matter, after a certain point, the draft is filled with "depth" ie tons of players who rate out about the same
Dan Graziano (12:22 PM)




I could SEE them doing it, of course, because it's always easy to imagine the Cowboys making bad draft decisions. But yes, I'd take Fluker over Vaccaro if I were them.

Weech (SoCal)



Dan, don't you think that recent QB's movements (Kolb, Flynn, Palmer, et. al) are all further proof that Dallas HAD to make that extension for Romo?
Dan Graziano (12:39 PM)




Yes. Romo is obviously underappreciated by a significant segment of the Cowboys' fan population. But yes, when you look at it that way, would you rather be stuck with Romo for the next seven years or be one of these teams that plays around with Kolb, Flynn and Palmer every year? Perspective.

Bryan (Springdale,AR)



I am a huge Romo supporter Dan, but I am troubled by the salary that Romo agreed to. He is now no different than Flacco and Brees in his effort to handicap this franchise. Sickens me that a player I love to cheer for is ok with taking some much money that keeps the franchise from being able to acquire key pieces via free agency that could really help this team get over the hump. This will probably force them to not be able to resign a few emerging players on the team a few years from now as well.
Dan Graziano (12:43 PM)




Seems like the way they did the deal, he'll restructure after 2014 anyway. I wouldn't worry too much about it.

bored marine (miramar, CA)



whats your feelings about the cowboys and their center situation. will they do well with phil costa if hes healthy or do they need to look elsewhere?
Dan Graziano (12:49 PM)




I think Costa can be OK if he's healthy and they improve the quality of their guard play on either side of him. But those are some big ifs.

Corey (D.C.)



Im sorry for asking this again, but its been 30 minutes and you get so many questions I didnt think it hurt to try again. Do you think Bruce Carter will transition well to OLB?
Dan Graziano (12:51 PM)




Yeah, I think Carter and Lee will thrive in the 4-3 alignment. I think they'll make a ton of plays.

Tom (Donnellson)



Did the cowboys plan ahead for this switch to 4-3 with last year's draft?
Dan Graziano (12:52 PM)




I don't know. Did they? You'd be thinking of Crawford, specifically, right? Claiborne and Johnson are defensive backs, so the way the front 7 lines up doesn't really impact them. I doubt they drafted Crawford expecting they'd be in a 4-3. I'm not even 100 percent sure what position he plays in a 4-3. Maybe DE, but he has to get bigger.

Eddie (Manassas VA)



Dan - What kind of year does Mo Caliborne have this season?
Dan Graziano (12:53 PM)




I think a very good one. Claiborne is a top talent and showed it at times last year. He'll only get better.
 

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some pretty good thinking there and not a lot of Cowboy bashing, dont know how some fans will deal with that.
 

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"Tony" from CA said: "Choking twice with match point on his racket at the end of the season."

See, I expect this kind of ignorance from national fans because they are stuck with getting all of their info from the media and maybe not even getting to see all if the games. That's why it's so stunning that we have local fans on this board who are this ignorant or worse. They really believe Romo has tossed 5 interceptions in every game since 2006 and that he should be out of the NFL.
 

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WoodysGirl;5040104 said:
Here's a Cowboys draft scenario: The top 5 o-linemen are gone, Vacaro is gone, and Sheldon Richardson is gone. DJ Fluker, Ziggy Ansah, and Sylvester Williams are available. Who are you picking and why?
Dan Graziano (12:03 PM)




Well, all right. In that scenario you take Ansah, because he's a top-5 player who somehow fell to 18. But I don't think that's realistic. I also don't think it's realistic to believe five offensive linemen are going in the first 17 picks, since that's only happened once in the last 15 years. My persistent belief is that the Cowboys have to get a starting offensive lineman in the first round -- assuming, of course, a top-5 talent at an impact position like DE doesn't fall into their lap as he did in your scenario.

I think Fluker would be a fine pick for Dallas at 18, if for some reason the top 5 OLs are all gone by then.

Missing question in Chat

Dan Graziano (12:10 PM)

Doesn't have to be a 1st round olineman to be a starter, this draft has depth, no need to panic people.
 

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WoodysGirl;5040104 said:
Austin (St. Louis): Which running back in the NFCE will be hurt the most by the new helmet rule?

DG: Whichever one stupidly insists on leading with the top of his helmet in the open field. That RB could be hurt very badly, and quite literally. But I will say that, at those meetings, a few people told me DeMarco Murray was held up as an example of a back that did that too much.

Can we now officially call it the DeMarco rule? Maybe he scared a certain owner on the rules committee?
 

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Doomsay;5040147 said:
Can we now officially call it the DeMarco rule? Maybe he scared a certain owner on the rules committee?

I've said it several times before, and I'll say it again: Mathias Kiwanuka complained to Mara after getting trucked by Murray in the opening game (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-Jm6FUyGJw) and of course Mara did everything in his power make sure his team did not get embarrassed again. This new rule was not proposed for the sake of safety. It is a full blown conspiracy against the Cowboys.

I'm going to predict right now that Mara will create a "no indecent exposure" rule (i.e. no mooning) and Murray will suddenly become the most penalized player in the league.
 

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Little Jr;5040200 said:
Crawford has to get bigger to play DE?
He's a giants fan living in NY. He knows less about the Cowboys than Watkins.
 

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Titleist;5040157 said:
I've said it several times before, and I'll say it again: Mathias Kiwanuka complained to Mara after getting trucked by Murray in the opening game (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-Jm6FUyGJw) and of course Mara did everything in his power make sure his team did not get embarrassed again. This new rule was not proposed for the sake of safety. It is a full blown conspiracy against the Cowboys.

I'm going to predict right now that Mara will create a "no indecent exposure" rule (i.e. no mooning) and Murray will suddenly become the most penalized player in the league.

Ah yes, a conspiracy that the Dallas Cowboys voted to approve.

31-1. Only team that didn't was Cincy. Props to the Bengals.
 

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MonsterD;5040131 said:
Doesn't have to be a 1st round olineman to be a starter, this draft has depth, no need to panic people.

2003-Present

These are the players we have drafted on the Oline (not including the first round T.Smith).

David Arkin
Bill Nagy
Sam Young
Robert Brewster
Doug Free
James Marten
EJ Whitley
Pat McQuistan
Rob Petitti
Stephen Peterman
Jacob Rogers
Justin Bates
Al Johnson

With this team and taking an olinemen after the 1st round...there is plenty of reason to panic because their 10 year history says so.
 

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BrAinPaiNt;5040274 said:
2003-Present

These are the players we have drafted on the Oline (not including the first round T.Smith).

David Arkin
Bill Nagy
Sam Young
Robert Brewster
Doug Free
James Marten
EJ Whitley
Pat McQuistan
Rob Petitti
Stephen Peterman
Jacob Rogers
Justin Bates
Al Johnson

With this team and taking an olinemen after the 1st round...there is plenty of reason to panic because their 10 year history says so.

Outstanding.

Now look at a few of the hits we've made with Jerry and the OL in the draft. Larry Allen, Flozell Adams, Andre Gurode, Tyron Smith. All taken in the top 50 picks.
 

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MonsterD;5040131 said:
Doesn't have to be a 1st round olineman to be a starter, this draft has depth, no need to panic people.

We need as sure-fire dominant lineman as you can get via draft. You will only get that by spending the 1st rounder. Sure you can get a "starter" later on, but not all starters are equal. Free is a starter after all.

Let's stop short changing ourselves on the O-line. Let's get the prime rib, and let another position get the round steak for once, eh.
 
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MonsterD;5040131 said:
Doesn't have to be a 1st round olineman to be a starter, this draft has depth, no need to panic people.

I don't know about that, whenever a draft is "deep" at any particular position then everybody and their dog drafts that position in the first couple of rounds. After that you're back to usual third round or worse talents.
 

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MonsterD;5040131 said:
Doesn't have to be a 1st round olineman to be a starter, this draft has depth, no need to panic people.

have you even BOTHERED to look at our O line draft history?
 

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You take BPA. If its an offensive lineman, great. If not...hey we got the best player on the board still. Don't want a shady repeat.
 

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BrAinPaiNt;5040274 said:
2003-Present

These are the players we have drafted on the Oline (not including the first round T.Smith).

David Arkin
Bill Nagy
Sam Young
Robert Brewster
Doug Free
James Marten
EJ Whitley
Pat McQuistan
Rob Petitti
Stephen Peterman
Jacob Rogers
Justin Bates
Al Johnson

With this team and taking an olinemen after the 1st round...there is plenty of reason to panic because their 10 year history says so.

I know that the above draft history spans a number of coaching regimes, but does anyone know if there are any scouting personnel that have been dedicated to OL recruiting for part or most of this period? I know that there are national guys and regional guys and there has been some turnover in the latter ranks recently, but I wonder if the team would benefit from hiring someone off of Denver's staff ect. to help with OL candidate analysis?
 

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Titleist;5040157 said:
I've said it several times before, and I'll say it again: Mathias Kiwanuka complained to Mara after getting trucked by Murray in the opening game (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-Jm6FUyGJw) and of course Mara did everything in his power make sure his team did not get embarrassed again. This new rule was not proposed for the sake of safety. It is a full blown conspiracy against the Cowboys.

I'm going to predict right now that Mara will create a "no indecent exposure" rule (i.e. no mooning) and Murray will suddenly become the most penalized player in the league.
don't think that play would be a penalty anyways. you have to lead and hit with the crown of the helments. he hit him with his shoulder
 

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Garrett's job is on the line,he needs better lineman to survive one more year.
 

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Doomsay;5040356 said:
I know that the above draft history spans a number of coaching regimes, but does anyone know if there are any scouting personnel that have been dedicated to OL recruiting for part or most of this period? I know that there are national guys and regional guys and there has been some turnover in the latter ranks recently, but I wonder if the team would benefit from hiring someone off of Denver's staff ect. to help with OL candidate analysis?

I don't know the answer to that but it is a Very good question.
 
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