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OK, here I am again. Pats Fan. True and blue.

Like coming here, great sports fans and that is all that counts.

I was thinking about football and how the game has been changed over time. More on that later.

But what I was really thinking about, who in your mind was the greatest sports player of all time???

OK, I grew up in Southern California. Sun, surf. Me, part of it. No sports figure. Next Virginia. No sports figure. Then New England. During that time I was off to Dallas for a few years with my father and was introduced to big time football. The Cotton Bowl. Danny Don and Bob Hayes. Well, need I say more?? That was a blast and will remember those games forever. Went home to NE as a Boys fan.

Loved football and went to a few NE games and it was over. NE do or die. Don't want to speak much on that. I am a die-hard NE fan. Really, big time.

But I was thinking to myself, we all have our teams and we all care about how they do, but I said to myself, what was the one guy that blew you out of the water. The best talent ever, regardless of the sport.

It became clear, there was only one guy. Michael Jordon. Me, Southern California, Virginia, and then NE with the Celtics and Red Sox. And who was the guy that blew me out of the water. Michael Jordon. Never watched basketball, never cared about basketball, never was interested in basketball. And then I watched a game. This guy just blew me out of the water. Who is this guy???? I watched every Chicago game I could. Almost got to see him live.

So just curious, many of you are young and do not remember, but for those of you that do, was Michael Jordan your number 1 sports figure of all time. All bets off, not just football.
 

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Actually he was 2nd on my list. What bummed me out about the guy was hanging on until the bitter end. Should have retired the champ that he was. Butterfly champ.
 

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Greatest Sport Figure

I would say...the 8.

Ya know, in small town car racing they always have those cool figure 8 races where someone gets t-boned...cool man.

Also, on a more refinded note, there are the skaters...ya know, in the olympics, they do those too, but without the t-bone part, well with the exception of the Tonya Harding-Nancy Kerrigan saga, that was much more like the car racing thing.
 

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jman said:
Greatest Sport Figure

I would say...the 8.

Ya know, in small town car racing they always have those cool figure 8 races where someone gets t-boned...cool man.

Also, on a more refinded note, there are the skaters...ya know, in the olympics, they do those too, but without the t-bone part, well with the exception of the Tonya Harding-Nancy Kerrigan saga, that was much more
like the car racing thing.


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Ali, without a doubt!!!!!
I'll have to second that opinion. Muhammad Ali wasn't only a heavyweight boxing legend. He was a boxing legend who transcinded the sports world into the political and social conscious of the world. Jordan is tied in my mind with Wilt Chamberlain as the greatest basketball player of all time. He can certainly be considered the merchandising icon of the 20th century. But in terms of how someone can influence minds and hearts of people everywhere, none compared to Ali. No one.
 

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DallasEast said:
I'll have to second that opinion. Muhammad Ali wasn't only a heavyweight boxing legend. He was a boxing legend who transcinded the sports world into the political and social conscious of the world. Jordan is tied in my mind with Wilt Chamberlain as the greatest basketball player of all time. He can certainly be considered the merchandising icon of the 20th century. But in terms of how someone can influence minds and hearts of people everywhere, none compared to Ali. No one.


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Well, I was only thinking pure talent.

But if you throw in the political impact, Ali was it. Hell no, I won't go. And a smart choice it was. My father was a military man, a Commander in the Navy and he told me point blank Vietnam was a mistake. He was against it from day one.

I lost my cousin there. For nothing.

OK, Ali when you consider everything. But Jordan in my mind as a sports figure. Darn he was amazing.
 

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Well, I was only thinking pure talent.

But if you throw in the political impact, Ali was it. Hell no, I won't go. And a smart choice it was. My father was a military man, a Commander in the Navy and he told me point blank Vietnam was a mistake. He was against it from day one.

I lost my cousin there. For nothing.

OK, Ali when you consider everything. But Jordan in my mind as a sports figure. Darn he was amazing.


Yes he was.. Simply awesome!!!!
 

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Quincy Carter...nuff said!

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That dog's legend is beyond belief! He is talked about more then Jordan or Ali put togeather!
 

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First half of the century it was clearly Jim Thorpe, second half of the century it was clearly Ali. Ali wins because not many remember just how talented Jim was at EVERYTHING. Besides, Ali transended sport in a way few have other than maybe Ruth. Jordan was know worldwide, and was maybe the best ever in Basketball, but he was certainly not the greatest "all around"athlete. Heck, Wilt was a far better athlete than Jordan was. Wilt excelled in many sports where Jordan has been pretty awful at MLB and Golf. Sadly the greatest "athletes" this country ever produces don't get pub because many time they are the track guys. Just my 2 cents.
 

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Walter Payton. To me he was a fine example of everything that is good about sports.
 

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If She was a man, it would be NO CONTEST!!


No one was better than the Babe!

No, not George Herman Ruth, but Mildred "Babe" Didrikson-Zaharius.
This remarkable athlete's career perhaps has no equal. While other great athletes excelled in individual sports, none had the versatility or longevity as Didrikson-Zaharius. Even the legendary Jim Thorpe could not rival her accomplishments.
She once was quoted as saying, "The Babe is here. Who's coming in second?"
Born Mildred Ella Didrikson on June 26, 1914, in Port Arthur, Texas, she was nicknamed Babe after hitting five home runs in one baseball game. She was slim and of average height but had a muscular body and was exceptionally well coordinated.
Didrikson's best sport was basketball, which was the most popular women's sport of the era. During her years in Beaumont, her high school team never lost a game -- largely because of her aggressive, coordinated play.
Didrikson was also outstanding in volleyball, tennis, baseball, diving and swimming.
In February 1930, the Casualty Insurance Company recruited Didrikson to play for the company's Golden Cyclone basketball team in Dallas. Though still a teenager, she was selected as an All-American women's basketball player from 1930 to 1932 and led the Golden Cyclones to the national championship in 1931.
She often scored 30 or more points in an era when a team score of 20 for a game was considered respectable. Once she even scored 106 points in a game!
While in Dallas, she competed in other athletic events, including softball. Didrikson was an excellent pitcher and batted over .400 in the Dallas city league.
Also in 1930, she became a member of the Golden Cyclone track and field team. Between 1930 and 1932, Didrikson held American, Olympic or world records in five different track-and-field events.
She stunned the athletic world on July 16, 1932, with her performance at the national amateur track meet for women in Evanston, Illinois. Didrikson entered the meet as the sole member of the Golden Cyclone team and by herself won the national women's team championship by scoring 30 points.
The Illinois Women's Athletic Club, which had more than 20 members, scored a total of 22 points to place second. In all, Didrikson won six gold medals and broke four world records in a single afternoon.
Her performance was the most amazing feat by any individual, male or female, in the annals of track-and-field history. Victories in the javelin throw, hurdles, and high jump qualified her to enter the 1932 Olympic Games in Los Angeles.
At Los Angeles, Didrikson won two gold medals and a silver medal, set a world's record, and was the co-holder of two others. She won the javelin event and the 80-meter hurdles and came in second in the high-jump event amid a controversy that saw two rulings of the judges go against her because she went over the bar head first, a foul at that time.
Due to her performances in track and field, she was voted Woman Athlete of the Year in 1932 by the Associated Press. During her illustrious track and field career she would be entered in 634 events and win all but 12.
She returned home from Los Angeles and had started another basketball season with the Golden Cyclones when the Amateur Athletic Union disqualified her from amateur competition because her name appeared in an automobile advertisement.
Her family was badly in need of money, and Didrikson turned professional in late 1932 to earn what she could from her status as a sports celebrity. She did some promotional advertising and briefly appeared in a vaudeville act in Chicago, where she performed athletic feats and played her harmonica, a talent she had developed as a child.
Struggling to make a living as a professional athlete, Didrikson played in an exhibition basketball game in Brooklyn and participated in a series of billiard matches.
In 1933, she decided to barnstorm the rural areas of the country with a professional basketball team called Babe Didrikson's All-Americans. The tour was very successful for several years, as the team traveled throughout America playing against local men's teams.
In 1934, Didrikson went to Florida and appeared in major league exhibition baseball games during spring training. In one game she pitched to and struck out the famous Joe DiMaggio.
She toured and played on the famous House of David -- all the men on the team sported long beards -- baseball team on a nationwide tour. She could throw a ball 300 feet on a straight line.
In 1933, she also began intensive lessons in golf, often hitting balls until her hands bled. She played in her first tournament in Texas in 1934 and a year later won the Texas Women's Amateur Championship. That same year, the United States Golf Association (USGA) declared her a professional and banned her from amateur golf.
Unable to make a living from the few tournaments open to professionals, Didrikson toured the country with professional golfer Gene Sarazen, participating mainly in exhibition matches.
On December 23, 1938, Didrikson married George Zaharias, a professional wrestler. Zaharias became her manager and under his direction she won the 1940 Texas and Western Open golf tournaments.
Also in 1940 she agreed to abstain from professional athletics for three years in order to regain her amateur status. In 1943, the USGA restored her amateur standing.
In 1945, she played flawless golf on the amateur tour and was named Woman Athlete of the Year for the second time.
During the 1946-1947 seasons, Zaharias won 17 straight tournaments, including the British Women's Amateur in which she became the first American to win it since it's inception. This string of consecutive tournament victories is a record that has never been equaled by man or woman.
In the summer of 1947, Zaharias turned professional once again and in 1948, she helped organize the Ladies Professional Golfer's Association (LPGA) in order to help popularize women's golf and increase tournament prize money. During the next several years, the LPGA grew in stature and Zaharias became the leading money winner on the women's professional circuit.
In the spring of 1953, doctors discovered that Zaharias had cancer. She underwent a colostomy to remove cancerous tissue.
Zaharius played in a golf tournament only 14 weeks after the surgery. She played well enough the remainder of the year to win the Ben Hogan Comeback of the Year Award.
In 1954, Zaharias won five tournaments, including the United States Women's Open, and earned her sixth Woman Athlete of the Year Award.
During 1955, doctors diagnosed that the cancer had returned. She died in Galveston on September 27, 1956.
Babe Didrikson Zaharias was a remarkable woman and her place in American sports history is secure. In addition to her six Woman Athlete of the Year Awards, the Associated Press named her the Woman Athlete of the Half-Century in 1950. No other woman has performed in so many different sports so well.
She is surely the greatest woman athlete of all time and perhaps the greatest athlete of any gender in the 20th century.
 

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Big Dakota said:
First half of the century it was clearly Jim Thorpe, second half of the century it was clearly Ali. Ali wins because not many remember just how talented Jim was at EVERYTHING. Besides, Ali transended sport in a way few have other than maybe Ruth. Jordan was know worldwide, and was maybe the best ever in Basketball, but he was certainly not the greatest athlete. Heck, Wilt was a far better athlete than Jordan was. Wilt excelled in many sports where Jordan has been pretty awful at MLB and Golf. Sadly the greatest "athletes" this country ever produces don't get pub because many time they are the track guys. Just my 2 cents.

Ali was the "Greatest"! He absoutely was...he could talk the talk, walk the walk...

He had charm, and talent, and he held his beliefs at all costs...

I doubt there will ever be another like him in my life time...

Jordan was a great basketball player, but, really nothing else. I was always hoping to see him bite his tongue off during a game...but, Jordan was nothing special...compared to the "Greatest Of All Time"...

"Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee...
Cause you hands can't hit
what your eyes can't see..."

What a special person, and I'm glad I was alive to follow him throughout his career...

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Well, I was only thinking pure talent.

But if you throw in the political impact, Ali was it. Hell no, I won't go. And a smart choice it was. My father was a military man, a Commander in the Navy and he told me point blank Vietnam was a mistake. He was against it from day one.

I lost my cousin there. For nothing.

OK, Ali when you consider everything. But Jordan in my mind as a sports figure. Darn he was amazing.
Wikipedia has a good summation of Ali LINK. Not overblown or underwritten, but just right, imo.

I don't mean to belittle Jordan. That's not even possible. After all, he was the cornerstone of six NBA championships. Still, he had some quality talent (Pippen) and coaching (Jackson) to assist him. I've wondered how successful Chamberlain would have been if he had been blessed with the same. Maybe Bill Russell and the Celtics wouldn't have beaten him as often and there would be an even stronger debate of which player was better.
 

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Mansta54 said:
Ali, without a doubt!!!!!

sure he transcended sports and dominated his trade but he was an idiot and his technique resulted in his current condition.

you can't say anyone but Jordan in the modern era and have any credibility.
 

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If you grew up in the 30's, 40's, and 50's, it's probably a New York Yankee... Babe Ruth to Joe DiMaggio to Mickey Mantle.

If you grew up in the 60's and 70's, it's probably Mohammed Ali.

If you grew up in the 80's and 90's, it's probably Michael Jordan.

If you grew up in the 00's, it's.... Tiger Woods?
 
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