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This game could have hurt the Packers in another way. This will affect their team chemistry There is going to be a QB controversy now. This reminds of 2000 when Cunningham outplayed Aikman and fans were split over starting Aikman over Cunningham. Likewise, Green Bay fans will be split and I'm sure the players will be split too. No one will publicly endorse Rogers but Rogers looked better than Favre today even when Favre was healthy. Rogers was much more mobile and not making careless passes that Favre does under pressure. If Favre had not gotten injured, I'm confident we would have blown out Green Bay.

Now that Favre is injured, I know som GB fans will want Rogers to have a chance. Green Bay is still in the playoffs but will likely be the second seed so it's not too much of a risk to allow Rogers to start.
 

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CanadianCowboysFan;1800582 said:
Nah, Favre could throw 10 INTs per game and PackerFan would still want him to be the starter.
That's because Favre has also done something no Dallas QB will ever come close to doing - throw 436 TD passes.

Romo will break Favre's INT record if Grossman doesn't do it first.

Oh, and it's RODGERS, not ROGERS.
 

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mr.jameswoods;1800530 said:
This game could have hurt the Packers in another way. This will affect their team chemistry There is going to be a QB controversy now. This reminds of 2000 when Cunningham outplayed Aikman and fans were split over starting Aikman over Cunningham. Likewise, Green Bay fans will be split and I'm sure the players will be split too. No one will publicly endorse Rogers but Rogers looked better than Favre today even when Favre was healthy. Rogers was much more mobile and not making careless passes that Favre does under pressure. If Favre had not gotten injured, I'm confident we would have blown out Green Bay.

Now that Favre is injured, I know som GB fans will want Rogers to have a chance. Green Bay is still in the playoffs but will likely be the second seed so it's not too much of a risk to allow Rogers to start.

It doesn't remind me that much of the 2000 season. The big difference is that the whole Aikman/Cunningham debate occurred early in the season. Aikman was off to a slow and injured start to the season. Troy did not build up any confidence in some fans for that year. The fans that were willing to discount Troy's whole career. So when Cunningham came in that first game and continued as the starter the next few games and played well, it was easy to jump on a bandwagon of Randall is outplaying Troy.

Favre had been playing very well this season until last night. You just can't discount what Favre had done in the first 11 games of the season. Rodgers did well last night, but did not outplay what Favre has done all season.
 

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mr.jameswoods;1800530 said:
This game could have hurt the Packers in another way. This will affect their team chemistry There is going to be a QB controversy now. This reminds of 2000 when Cunningham outplayed Aikman and fans were split over starting Aikman over Cunningham. Likewise, Green Bay fans will be split and I'm sure the players will be split too. No one will publicly endorse Rogers but Rogers looked better than Favre today even when Favre was healthy. Rogers was much more mobile and not making careless passes that Favre does under pressure. If Favre had not gotten injured, I'm confident we would have blown out Green Bay.

Now that Favre is injured, I know som GB fans will want Rogers to have a chance. Green Bay is still in the playoffs but will likely be the second seed so it's not too much of a risk to allow Rogers to start.

If Farve returns, performs poorly, and the Packers' losses begin to mount, sure, some will want Rodgers.
 

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joseephuss;1802788 said:
It doesn't remind me that much of the 2000 season. The big difference is that the whole Aikman/Cunningham debate occurred early in the season. Aikman was off to a slow and injured start to the season. Troy did not build up any confidence in some fans for that year. The fans that were willing to discount Troy's whole career. So when Cunningham came in that first game and continued as the starter the next few games and played well, it was easy to jump on a bandwagon of Randall is outplaying Troy.

Favre had been playing very well this season until last night. You just can't discount what Favre had done in the first 11 games of the season. Rodgers did well last night, but did not outplay what Favre has done all season.


Favre and the Packers have beaten a lot of bad teams. They really have not proven themselves. The only reason they had the same record as us is because they didn't play New England. We are clearly a better team than them and the score didn't reflect how much better we are than them. Terrell Owens fumbled a TD catch and we could have just as easily scored another TD and won the game by 14 if we were not trying to bleed the clock on the final drive.

I think Rodgers clearly brought another dimension to the Packers through his ability to scramble. Favre just lacks that ability. Rodgers also demonstrated a stronger arm and more patience. As a Cowboy fan, I hope we face Favre again because his carelessness always puts the Packers at a disadvantage in games that actually mean something. Ever since Holmgren and Reid left, Favre has always imploded in key games; he puts up great stats in meaningless games and then chokes in the playoffs by forcing interceptions.
 

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Jerry Tagge;1802713 said:
That's because Favre has also done something no Dallas QB will ever come close to doing - throw 436 TD passes.

Romo will break Favre's INT record if Grossman doesn't do it first.

Oh, and it's RODGERS, not ROGERS.

Oh please, your organization is so stupid, they kept Favre as the starter and bended over so he could retire a Packer. The Pack are 10-2 because they haven't played anyone. If you played New England, you would be 9-3 and I wouldn't be suprised if you lost to Chicago. They didn't have the balls to say "no" to Favre to develop another QB. Your lucky Favre got hurt otherwise, he would have probably thrown another 2-3 picks and enable us to win the game by the end of the 3rd quarter. Rodgers brought respectability to your team last night. Favre has held your organization back for the last 4 or 5 seasons. He puts up great stats against bad teams and then chokes in the playoffs teams. Any time, Favre faced a blitz in the past 5 seasons, he would throw an interception because he tries that weak pass off his back foot.

Yes, the Cowboys would never allow Tony Romo to hold the Cowboys hostage so he could retire a Cowboy. That's probably why Romo won't surpass the TD record because we wouldn't allow him to start long enough beyond his welcome. The Cowboys are about winning and would let Romo or any QB go because Dallas, unlike Green Bay, is about the TEAM.

I for one hope we play Green Bay again with Favre as the starter because it's a pleasure to embarrass Packer fans and make them eat their words as usual
 

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Jerry Tagge;1802713 said:
That's because Favre has also done something no Dallas QB will ever come close to doing - throw 436 TD passes.

Romo will break Favre's INT record if Grossman doesn't do it first.
What a troll. :rolleyes:

Favre's INT record will never be broken while his TD record will be broken some day and Favre will never win another SB.
 

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mr.jameswoods;1803466 said:
Favre and the Packers have beaten a lot of bad teams. They really have not proven themselves. The only reason they had the same record as us is because they didn't play New England. We are clearly a better team than them and the score didn't reflect how much better we are than them. Terrell Owens fumbled a TD catch and we could have just as easily scored another TD and won the game by 14 if we were not trying to bleed the clock on the final drive.

I think Rodgers clearly brought another dimension to the Packers through his ability to scramble. Favre just lacks that ability. Rodgers also demonstrated a stronger arm and more patience. As a Cowboy fan, I hope we face Favre again because his carelessness always puts the Packers at a disadvantage in games that actually mean something. Ever since Holmgren and Reid left, Favre has always imploded in key games; he puts up great stats in meaningless games and then chokes in the playoffs by forcing interceptions.

I agree with your entire post. I just don't think it correlates that much with the Cowboys 2000 season with Aikman/Cunningham.
 

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mr.jameswoods;1800530 said:
This game could have hurt the Packers in another way. This will affect their team chemistry There is going to be a QB controversy now. This reminds of 2000 when Cunningham outplayed Aikman and fans were split over starting Aikman over Cunningham. Likewise, Green Bay fans will be split and I'm sure the players will be split too. No one will publicly endorse Rogers but Rogers looked better than Favre today even when Favre was healthy. Rogers was much more mobile and not making careless passes that Favre does under pressure. If Favre had not gotten injured, I'm confident we would have blown out Green Bay.

Now that Favre is injured, I know som GB fans will want Rogers to have a chance. Green Bay is still in the playoffs but will likely be the second seed so it's not too much of a risk to allow Rogers to start.

I just found this jewel. You really need to check on that Labotomy I recommened last week. You know the one where you said FAvre was faking an injury.

I guess the fact that Favre has played at an MVP level all season is over your head huh Doc.

As far as who have the Packers played, they have played everybody that was on their schedule. They went to New York and beat the Giants, jUst like Dallas, they beat Denver in Denver on a Monday Night, then turned around and beat KC in KC six days later. Maybe those oare nobody team and only those teams taht Dallas are considered qualiy teams. I don't know why you have this sudden urge to disparage the Packers for being a 10-1 team or a QB like FAvre who has played thru any and every injury. I would bet if your
little pinky hurt you would call in sick. You are totally clueless when it comes to playing with injury or what it takes to be a professional QB. I don';t know what your problem is tho. Maybe Favre stiffed you for an autograph when you were stalking him and his family over dinner.

But no, there will not be a Qb controversey. If Favre was struggling thru the year and Rodgers had led them to a couple of victories, you might have a point other than the one on the top of your head.

Tell us again about the packers team chemistry that you are so well versed on. :rolleyes: I couldn;t believe the stuff you made up last week and now you make this crap up. You are a piece of work.
 

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FloridaRob;1809833 said:
I just found this jewel. You really need to check on that Labotomy I recommened last week. You know the one where you said FAvre was faking an injury.

I guess the fact that Favre has played at an MVP level all season is over your head huh Doc.

As far as who have the Packers played, they have played everybody that was on their schedule. They went to New York and beat the Giants, jUst like Dallas, they beat Denver in Denver on a Monday Night, then turned around and beat KC in KC six days later. Maybe those oare nobody team and only those teams taht Dallas are considered qualiy teams. I don't know why you have this sudden urge to disparage the Packers for being a 10-1 team or a QB like FAvre who has played thru any and every injury. I would bet if your
little pinky hurt you would call in sick. You are totally clueless when it comes to playing with injury or what it takes to be a professional QB. I don';t know what your problem is tho. Maybe Favre stiffed you for an autograph when you were stalking him and his family over dinner.

But no, there will not be a Qb controversey. If Favre was struggling thru the year and Rodgers had led them to a couple of victories, you might have a point other than the one on the top of your head.

Tell us again about the packers team chemistry that you are so well versed on. :rolleyes: I couldn;t believe the stuff you made up last week and now you make this crap up. You are a piece of work.

Rodgers outplayed Favre even when Favre was healthy. Green Bay has to beat Dallas if it wants to go to the Superbowl. Favre has always played poorly against us. The Packers lost to the Bears, a team we beat. I wouldn't be suprised if the Packers eventually start Rodgers over Favre. I don't really think Favre has been challenged this season. I think the NFC is weak. Dallas was his first true test and he failed. Favre clearly lacks the mobility he once had which makes him a sitting target against teams that can apply pressure and cover receivers. This situation does not favor Favre as he is hesitant to throw it out of bounds; he will often force interceptions in this situation. Part of the reason GB has been successful is there offensive line was able to protect Favre so he never faced any pressure this season. He won't experience that luxury in the playoffs and I think the Packer organization is aware of that. So it wouldn't suprise me if Rodgers replaces Favre as the starter this year. And if Favre is replaced, I doubt you would admit you were wrong. It should be noted that Favre is going to start next Sunday despite the fact he had a separted left shoulder and a bruised forearm. I have a hard time believing a QB can endure those types of injuries and start the very next week. I think Favre has become a master and knowing when to sit out so he can start the following week. He prematurely left the Patriots' contest last season in a 35-0 loss only to start the very next week. If you think my opinion is crazy, you are entitled to your opinion. Likewise, I'm entitled to my opinion. I've never denied that Favre has been tough. However, he has been extremely unsuccessful against Dallas and I think he got emotionally rattled. Even courageous players have their fears they have to overcome and he has always been uncomfortable at Texas stadium. I certainly think that his 2 interceptions and the fact this was a regular season game had some impact on his decision to sit out the remainder of the game. I do believe if this was a playoff game, he would taken some steroids and pain killers and fought through it. No, I don't have a personal vendetta against Favre. Likewise, are you originally from Louisiana? Are you also a Packer fan? Why are you such a staunch advocate of Favre?

FYI This isn't a troll ridden forum. People here are intelligent so I suggest you start showing more grace instead of exchanging cheap insults. I'm not suggesting that everyone gets along here, but most people know where to draw the line between being sarcastic versus calling someone petty names. Telling someone to get a lobotomy is childish. A comment like that is not insulting but rather disheartening. A big part of the reason I've been with this forum for nearly 6 years is that we didn't have a lot drive by trolls whose purpose is to antagonize others. You just joined this forum less than a month ago; don't be one of those posters.
 

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Jerry Tagge;1802713 said:
Romo will break Favre's INT record if Grossman doesn't do it first.

Man, that's some WEAK smack... if you can't do any better than that, you really ought to refrain from the impulse to embarrass yourself...

In 27 games played, Romo has thrown 26 ints (which means that other than that Buffalo debacle, he's thrown 21 ints in 26 games... meanwhile, ol' BrINT has thrown 283 ints in 253 games...

This means that BrINT is averaging 1.119 ints for every game played, while Romo is averaging .964 ints for every game played... clearly, the former is more interception prone than the latter...

It also means that it would take Tony roughly 260 games to throw as many picks as BrINT has right now (even if the guy never threw another int this season, and retired at the end of the season)...

Assuming no injuries (which is a rosy best case scenario), Tony would be 43 years old at that point... which means that there isn't a snowball's chance in Hades that Romo will ever get CLOSE to Favre's int record...

And of course, TrainRex Grossman will never get the chance to come close to Favre's int record...
 

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why is this thread in the sports zone, isnt there an NFL zone?
 

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FloridaRob;1809833 said:
I just found this jewel. You really need to check on that Labotomy I recommened last week.

You really need to check on a good spell checker; what's a "labotomy"??

I guess the fact that Favre has played at an MVP level all season is over your head huh Doc.

Favre had played really well until he ran into the Cowboys, but nowhere CLOSE to an MVP level... at this point, he'd deserve to finish 3rd at best, behind the clear winner Brady, and Romo... a good case could even be made for him finishing behind Randy Moss and Adrian Peterson in MVP voting, too...

As far as who have the Packers played they beat Denver in Denver on a Monday Night then turned around and beat KC in KC six days later.

Oooooh, they beat a 5-7 team and a 4-8 team on back to back weekends... can you say "juggernaut"??

While trying to defend your team, you have actually proven our point--the Packers really haven't beaten anybody worth a hammered crap...
 

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I don't think there is any QB debate. If ready to play Brett will be the man and will be the man until he hangs them up.
 

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mr.jameswoods;1813931 said:
Rodgers outplayed Favre even when Favre was healthy. Green Bay has to beat Dallas if it wants to go to the Superbowl. Favre has always played poorly against us. The Packers lost to the Bears, a team we beat. I wouldn't be suprised if the Packers eventually start Rodgers over Favre. I don't really think Favre has been challenged this season. I think the NFC is weak. Dallas was his first true test and he failed. Favre clearly lacks the mobility he once had which makes him a sitting target against teams that can apply pressure and cover receivers. This situation does not favor Favre as he is hesitant to throw it out of bounds; he will often force interceptions in this situation. Part of the reason GB has been successful is there offensive line was able to protect Favre so he never faced any pressure this season. He won't experience that luxury in the playoffs and I think the Packer organization is aware of that. So it wouldn't suprise me if Rodgers replaces Favre as the starter this year. And if Favre is replaced, I doubt you would admit you were wrong. It should be noted that Favre is going to start next Sunday despite the fact he had a separted left shoulder and a bruised forearm. I have a hard time believing a QB can endure those types of injuries and start the very next week. I think Favre has become a master and knowing when to sit out so he can start the following week. He prematurely left the Patriots' contest last season in a 35-0 loss only to start the very next week. If you think my opinion is crazy, you are entitled to your opinion. Likewise, I'm entitled to my opinion. I've never denied that Favre has been tough. However, he has been extremely unsuccessful against Dallas and I think he got emotionally rattled. Even courageous players have their fears they have to overcome and he has always been uncomfortable at Texas stadium. I certainly think that his 2 interceptions and the fact this was a regular season game had some impact on his decision to sit out the remainder of the game. I do believe if this was a playoff game, he would taken some steroids and pain killers and fought through it. No, I don't have a personal vendetta against Favre. Likewise, are you originally from Louisiana? Are you also a Packer fan? Why are you such a staunch advocate of Favre?

FYI This isn't a troll ridden forum. People here are intelligent so I suggest you start showing more grace instead of exchanging cheap insults. I'm not suggesting that everyone gets along here, but most people know where to draw the line between being sarcastic versus calling someone petty names. Telling someone to get a lobotomy is childish. A comment like that is not insulting but rather disheartening. A big part of the reason I've been with this forum for nearly 6 years is that we didn't have a lot drive by trolls whose purpose is to antagonize others. You just joined this forum less than a month ago; don't be one of those posters.

if you are going to make outlandish statements, then be prepared to accept whatever comes back. You might want to restrict your comments about the Cowbosy because I would hope your observations are a little more on track than your observations are about Favre because you are not only in left field, You are off the planet.

You made comments that Favre was faking an injury last week. And you back that up with you would have to see the xrays before you could discern if he was telling the truth or not. To do that you would have to question his heart, and NOBODY BUT YOU IN THE ENTIRE WORLD has ever quetioned that.

Then you make another off the wall comment that there is a QB controversy in GB. Just for you because you really are uninformed, there will be no QB controversy in GB as long as Favre is there. NONE. The players support him, The coaches support him, the management supports him, the other players will run thru a wall for him, HE IS THE LEADER of the Packers. They are 10-2 because of Favres play, not inspite of Favres play.

When did Rodgers outplay FAvre when FAvre was healthy? Last week against Dallas. That was the only extended action Rodgers has had in a game since last years Pats game. NObody knows what how Favre would have played in the 2nd half. There were a few games this year FAvre was stuggling int he first half of a game and lit it up in the 2nd half. Who is to say that Favre would not have done that against Dallas.

And how do you know that he "prematurely" left the Pats game last year. He was hit in the elbow by a Bruschis cast. It almost broke his elbo. Again, he could not feel the ball in that game either. Early in Favres career, Reggie White sacked Favre and dislocated his left shoulder. He played the rest of the game. He could not play after the hit last week because he could not feel the ball. The shoulder did not affect his decision not to play. HE COULD NOT FEEL THE BALL IN HIS HANDS.

As far as FAvres o-line, again you show your ignorance about the Packers. They have two guards that have consistently been benched, replaced and reinserted. FAvre has NOT had all day to throw the ball. Watch the KC game again, Watch the Philly game again. Watch the Giants game again. The reason he has not been sacked much is because of him getting rid of the ball not because of all the time waiting for somebody to clear.

I tell you what Doc. You said that it would not surprise you to see the Packers replace Favre at QB this season. Are you willing to bet on that? I am a gambling man and would bet anything that does not happen. You said that "I would not admit I was wrong". I don't quite understand the comment, because he won't be replaced. So when he is NOT replaced are you going to admit that you ARE wrong? :rolleyes:

As far as your comment that "if this was a playoff game he would have taken steroids and pain killers" to get back in the game. Again you show your ignorance. Steroids are illegal. Can't take them and if any teams medical staff ever gave them they would be strung the highest tree by the league.

As far as pain killers go, again you show your lack of knowledge about Favre. Since his additiction to pain killers in the 90s, he won't take them. Everybody knows that. NO PAIN killer of any kind. He might take an aspirin but that is the limit to what he will take.

I am not trolling. I am not throwing stuff out there to antagonize anybody. You made the outrageous statements that even other Cowboy fans think are not only ignorant but stupid. Did you happen to read the comments by other Cowboy fans. Say something outragous about the Packers, and I will call you on it. I don't know you. You may have a history here of making up stuff just to get attention. The two threads I saw you started in the past seven days leads me to believe that is your motive. NOBODY can be that out of touch with NFL football. Keep your thoughts restricted to the Cowboys because you have NO knowlege about the Packers and you have even less knowlege about Favre. Hopefully you have some knowledge about teh Cowboys but after reading your comments here, I have serious questions about that.

And I am originally from Louisiana. Lake Charles, to be exact. But I have been a Packer fan my whole life.
 

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silverbear;1814348 said:
You really need to check on a good spell checker; what's a "labotomy"??



Favre had played really well until he ran into the Cowboys, but nowhere CLOSE to an MVP level... at this point, he'd deserve to finish 3rd at best, behind the clear winner Brady, and Romo... a good case could even be made for him finishing behind Randy Moss and Adrian Peterson in MVP voting, too...



Oooooh, they beat a 5-7 team and a 4-8 team on back to back weekends... can you say "juggernaut"??

While trying to defend your team, you have actually proven our point--the Packers really haven't beaten anybody worth a hammered crap...

!-Well I am relieved, Spelling smack does exists even on the Cowboy boad,

2-top three MVP candidates will be Brady, Moss and Favre. Romo will be 4th.. Favre has done more with less than any other QB. And it isn't just Packer fans that are touting Favre high in the MVP voting. Sorry to break the news to you that he will be considered.

3-Packers have played who was on their schedule. To try to make that they havent played anybody is just spinning. they played who the league said they had to play. Other than New England, Dallas has played very a very similar schedule to the Packers.
 

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FloridaRob;1815107 said:
2-top three MVP candidates will be Brady, Moss and Favre. Romo will be 4th..
BS, Romo will get more votes than Favre. The fact is Romo's stats are better and his team beat favre led packers and have better record.
Favre has done more with less than any other QB. And it isn't just Packer fans that are touting Favre high in the MVP voting. Sorry to break the news to you that he will be considered.
This is comical. I remember how many packers fans stated before the game that their WRs and TEs were better and their open offensive scheme was so much better, and now, after getting beat by the Cowboys, they are claims that their offense isn't as talented therefore Favre deserves more recognition. What a load of crap.
 

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03EBZ06;1815187 said:
BS, Romo will get more votes than Favre. The fact is Romo's stats are better and his team beat favre led packers and have better record.

This is comical. I remember how many packers fans stated before the game that their WRs and TEs were better and their open offensive scheme was so much better, and now, after getting beat by the Cowboys, they are claims that their offense isn't as talented therefore Favre deserves more recognition. What a load of crap.

well we shall see in a few weeks who is wrong and who is right. And the record does not indicate who wins MVP.

For teh record, I have always said that the players that surround Romo and Brady are superior to those that surround FAvre. I haven't changed anything in that regard. TO and MOss are better than anybody on the Packers. Whitten and the NE Tes are better than any TE on the Packers, The lines for both Dallas and New England are superior to the Packers. Rbs for both teams are better than the packers. I have not changed any stance.

Favre will get more votes in MVP voting that Romo. :razz:
 
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