Green Bay QB controversy?

[03EBZ06]

For this season Romo >>> Favre

Cowboys >>> Packers

 

[FloridaRob]

For this season Romo >>> Favre

Cowboys >>> Packers

My response to this post will be delayed for about 6 weeks. Parking Lot Rematch!!!!

 

[mr.jameswoods]

I don't think there is any QB debate. If ready to play Brett will be the man and will be the man until he hangs them up.

In the past, I would have agreed with you. Sure, it's obvious the organization has sacraficed so much to allow Favre to remain the starter so he can retire there. In that light, it does seem silly that they would bench Favre now. However, the situation is different. I don't think the organization felt they had a realistic chance of contending for a superbowl.

Now, the Packers are the second best team in the NFL. They have a chance to realistically appear in the Superbowl. Brett Favre is likely going to retire in the next 1-2 years. Rodgers isn't going to remain the backup there forever. At some point he will leave to try and get a starting job elsewhere. The Packers organization knows this. And Rodgers may give the Packers a better chance to compete against Dallas especially with Favre's recent injuries.

If Favre doesn't play well in the coming games, I wouldn't at all be suprised to see Favre benched. The organization will publicly chalk it up to Favre's injuries and Favre will be a team player and stay silent if that's the case.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

!-I am not trolling. I am not throwing stuff out there to antagonize anybody. You made the outrageous statements that even other Cowboy fans think are not only ignorant but stupid. Did you happen to read the comments by other Cowboy fans. Say something outragous about the Packers, and I will call you on it. I don't know you. You may have a history here of making up stuff just to get attention. The two threads I saw you started in the past seven days leads me to believe that is your motive. NOBODY can be that out of touch with NFL football. Keep your thoughts restricted to the Cowboys because you have NO knowlege about the Packers and you have even less knowlege about Favre. Hopefully you have some knowledge about teh Cowboys but after reading your comments here, I have serious questions about that

This is a forum for Cowboys fans! We have the right to talk about other NFL teams. If you don't like how I'm discussing the Packers, then leave; you are a guest here so act like it. I wouldn't go to a Packer forum and insult a member for criticizing Romo. If I'm in a Packer forum, I would show some respect knowing its a forum for Packer fans. I hope this isn't a difficult concept for you to understand. As a Packer fan and visitor, you are in no position to tell me what I can't discuss. There is a way to disagree with someone with class. If you think my ideas are left field, you can say that without personally attacking me in a very juvenile way. No, this isn't like the ESPN forums in which people call each othe names and insult each other because they felt someone was off-base. If you feel that's your right to react in that manner, you are in the wrong forum. We allow opposing fans like you to post here as a courtesy. We could be like several Packer forums that ban opposing fans for dissenting opinions. However, we don't do but we also expect our visitors to be respectful. Don't abuse the courtesy that Reality and the other moderators provide especially since you are not a regular member or a Cowboys fan. Second, this is an anonymous forum. What gain do I receive by attracting attention? I mostly post in these side forums and not the main one. If I wanted attention, I would regularly post in the main forum where most of our fans communicate. Third, I will post whatever I feel is an interesting thread or topic. I'm aware this topic would arouse scorn but it also arouses good discussion. That's why this forum is so popular; you can discuss topics like this without fear of some troll turning into a barage of insults. I think the idea that Favre sat out the game is interesting. If you aren't intelligent and mature enough to discuss the idea without responding childishly then leave. Finally, I'm aware that many of my fellow fans disagree with my opinion. The difference, however, is they have handled themselves with class while you haven't. They didn't react like a troll and ask me to get a lobotomy. I'm not going to argue with you about this issue. I think you understand how this forum works now so avoid the petty insults next time. If you want to respond to this so be it but I'm not going to bother reading it as you really have nothing to add to this particular issue. You know the rules now so show respect.

!-Well I am relieved, Spelling smack does exists even on the Cowboy boad,

2-top three MVP candidates will be Brady, Moss and Favre. Romo will be 4th.. Favre has done more with less than any other QB. And it isn't just Packer fans that are touting Favre high in the MVP voting. Sorry to break the news to you that he will be considered.

3-Packers have played who was on their schedule. To try to make that they havent played anybody is just spinning. they played who the league said they had to play. Other than New England, Dallas has played very a very similar schedule to the Packers.

Since when has an NFL player been penalized for surrounding talent when determining the MVP? And unfortunately, players are not given credit for doing more with less. They ultimately look at the stats and team record which Romo exceeds Favre in. And QB's have traditionally been given more consideration than wide receivers for MVP so Romo would exceed Moss in the MVP race.

I agree that Romo is surrounded by a better supporting cast. However, your insinuation is wrong. You are insinuating that Favre is carrying that team because his supporting cast isn't noteworthy like the Cowboys. The truth is the entire Packer team is playing above their talent level, not jut Bret Favre. Favre isn't carrying anyone. Your offensive line is playing really well. Favre is getting protection which he hasn't gotten in years. Their running game is coming together too. The Packers defense has improved tremendously too; they shut out the Vikings! So, I don't really see your success as a result of Favre carrying your team. It makes for a good story but that's far from the reality. If Green Bay couldn't run the ball or pass protect, Favre wouldn't magically be able to win games on his own. Yes, I've seen Fave carry a team in the past but those Packer teams were 10-6, this team has already won 10 games with 4 remaining.

I think the voting will probably go (1) Brady (2) Romo (3) Favre

I don't think you even believe Moss will be given more consideration than Romo. I think you are just saying to rile the fans here. I do agree that prior to the Dallas game, many felt that Favre was more deserving of the #2 spot behind Brady for MVP. However, they obviously held the same record as Dallas at that point and there was a chance Green Bay could have beaten Dallas. That didn't happen and Favre played horribly even prior to the injury which hurt his case. Romo, on the other hand, had an amazing game. If Dallas wins out, there is no chance Favre finished 2nd in the MVP race.

 

[silverbear]

!-Well I am relieved, Spelling smack does exists even on the Cowboy boad,

And on a Cowboys BOARD, too... thanks for letting me know it bothered you, most trolls just ignore that kind of thing...

2-top three MVP candidates will be Brady, Moss and Favre. Romo will be 4th.. Favre has done more with less than any other QB.

Favre will never finish ahead of Romo... this won't be a fan vote, so the Packers fans won't be able to stuff the ballot box for their local hero... meanwhile, Romo has put up better stats, and his team has the better record...

And it isn't just Packer fans that are touting Favre high in the MVP voting. Sorry to break the news to you that he will be considered.

Never said he wouldn't be considered, just that he stands the proverbial snowball's chance in Hades of winning... I also listed a few players likely to finish ahead of him in the voting...

3-Packers have played who was on their schedule. To try to make that they havent played anybody is just spinning.

They've played 3 teams with winning records so far... that's a creampuff schedule, helped in part by the fact that their own division is so weak, in part by playing the worst division in football, the AFC West...

No, they did not make the schedule, but their record is artificially high as a result of that schedule... they even managed to lose to a team that is now 5-8, while the Boys' only loss has been to a 12-0 team...

 

[silverbear]

My response to this post will be delayed for about 6 weeks. Parking Lot Rematch!!!!

You guys are gonna have to get there, first... frankly, the kind of schedule you've played is likely to leave you ill-prepared for playoff caliber football...

Candidly, this is a reservation I have about my Cowboys too, though at least we've played 4 games against likely playoff teams, and went 3-1 in those games (2 against the Giants, the Pats and the Pack)...

 

[Doomsday101]

In the past, I would have agreed with you. Sure, it's obvious the organization has sacraficed so much to allow Favre to remain the starter so he can retire there. In that light, it does seem silly that they would bench Favre now. However, the situation is different. I don't think the organization felt they had a realistic chance of contending for a superbowl.

Now, the Packers are the second best team in the NFL. They have a chance to realistically appear in the Superbowl. Brett Favre is likely going to retire in the next 1-2 years. Rodgers isn't going to remain the backup there forever. At some point he will leave to try and get a starting job elsewhere. The Packers organization knows this. And Rodgers may give the Packers a better chance to compete against Dallas especially with Favre's recent injuries.

If Favre doesn't play well in the coming games, I wouldn't at all be suprised to see Favre benched. The organization will publicly chalk it up to Favre's injuries and Favre will be a team player and stay silent if that's the case.

Rodgers is not the 1st backup to come in and play well in that role. Starting is a different animal as teams prepared for you and break down your game of strength and weakness. Dallas did not get ready for Rodgers I can promise you that and the other simple fact is Brett has lead his team to a 10-2 record and QB's who have their team at 10-2 do not get benched this late in the season GB do that and Rodgers fails the outcry would be so great GB will sink or swim with Brett this season. There is no QB controversy in GB as to who the QB will be.

 

[FloridaRob]

This is a forum for Cowboys fans! We have the right to talk about other NFL teams. If you don't like how I'm discussing the Packers, then leave; you are a guest here so act like it. I wouldn't go to a Packer forum and insult a member for criticizing Romo. If I'm in a Packer forum, I would show some respect knowing its a forum for Packer fans. I hope this isn't a difficult concept for you to understand. As a Packer fan and visitor, you are in no position to tell me what I can't discuss. There is a way to disagree with someone with class. If you think my ideas are left field, you can say that without personally attacking me in a very juvenile way. No, this isn't like the ESPN forums in which people call each othe names and insult each other because they felt someone was off-base. If you feel that's your right to react in that manner, you are in the wrong forum. We allow opposing fans like you to post here as a courtesy. We could be like several Packer forums that ban opposing fans for dissenting opinions. However, we don't do but we also expect our visitors to be respectful. Don't abuse the courtesy that Reality and the other moderators provide especially since you are not a regular member or a Cowboys fan. Second, this is an anonymous forum. What gain do I receive by attracting attention? I mostly post in these side forums and not the main one. If I wanted attention, I would regularly post in the main forum where most of our fans communicate. Third, I will post whatever I feel is an interesting thread or topic. I'm aware this topic would arouse scorn but it also arouses good discussion. That's why this forum is so popular; you can discuss topics like this without fear of some troll turning into a barage of insults. I think the idea that Favre sat out the game is interesting. If you aren't intelligent and mature enough to discuss the idea without responding childishly then leave. Finally, I'm aware that many of my fellow fans disagree with my opinion. The difference, however, is they have handled themselves with class while you haven't. They didn't react like a troll and ask me to get a lobotomy. I'm not going to argue with you about this issue. I think you understand how this forum works now so avoid the petty insults next time. If you want to respond to this so be it but I'm not going to bother reading it as you really have nothing to add to this particular issue. You know the rules now so show respect.






Since when has an NFL player been penalized for surrounding talent when determining the MVP? And unfortunately, players are not given credit for doing more with less. They ultimately look at the stats and team record which Romo exceeds Favre in. And QB's have traditionally been given more consideration than wide receivers for MVP so Romo would exceed Moss in the MVP race.

I agree that Romo is surrounded by a better supporting cast. However, your insinuation is wrong. You are insinuating that Favre is carrying that team because his supporting cast isn't noteworthy like the Cowboys. The truth is the entire Packer team is playing above their talent level, not jut Bret Favre. Favre isn't carrying anyone. Your offensive line is playing really well. Favre is getting protection which he hasn't gotten in years. Their running game is coming together too. The Packers defense has improved tremendously too; they shut out the Vikings! So, I don't really see your success as a result of Favre carrying your team. It makes for a good story but that's far from the reality. If Green Bay couldn't run the ball or pass protect, Favre wouldn't magically be able to win games on his own. Yes, I've seen Fave carry a team in the past but those Packer teams were 10-6, this team has already won 10 games with 4 remaining.

I think the voting will probably go (1) Brady (2) Romo (3) Favre

I don't think you even believe Moss will be given more consideration than Romo. I think you are just saying to rile the fans here. I do agree that prior to the Dallas game, many felt that Favre was more deserving of the #2 spot behind Brady for MVP. However, they obviously held the same record as Dallas at that point and there was a chance Green Bay could have beaten Dallas. That didn't happen and Favre played horribly even prior to the injury which hurt his case. Romo, on the other hand, had an amazing game. If Dallas wins out, there is no chance Favre finished 2nd in the MVP race.

sigh, I am not a guest here. I am a member here. Just like you. I just happen to be a Packer fan. For the most part it has been a pleasant experience with friendly and funny banter between several posters. Yours, however, is just mind boggling.

You can go to any Packer forum and criticize FAvre all you want. I don't care if you criticize FAvre. Packer fans criticize Favre. You however didn't criticize him, you questioned everything that anybody with a clue knows is beyond question. His heart. He hasn't started 250 games in a row because he is scared of anybody. He plays when he is hurt. He has finished games this year when a Defensive lineman rolled up his ankle when most other QB would be sipping gatorade on the sidelines. He was beat up in teh KC game worse than he was in the Dallas game. The difference was, he wasn't injured.

Criticizing a player is one thing but questioning a players heart and leadership, especially with an injury involved is insane. Do you see the difference? I doubt it.

If I said that Troy Aikman wussed out on his career when he could have kept playing and faked the concussions, so he wouldn't have to play, I would expect you to defend Aikman.

If I said that Michael Irvin wussed out of the Philly game when he was hurt because he was taking a beating, I would expect you to defend Irvin.

If I said that Terry Glenn has been malingering this year because his injuries were not serious, I would expect you to defend him.

If I said that Tony Romo needed to be benched for the rest of the season after his 5 interception performance against Buffalo, I would expect you to defend him.

The reason I would expect that kind of response from you is because my statments would be STUPID and without merit.

You have made outlandish statements. NoT statements that have any merit, or have any basis, nor statements that are nothing more than fabrication. No intelligent football fan would ever make the kind of comments that you have made.

You point blank said that he quit in the New England game last year when in fact he got hurt. You said he quit in the Dallas game when in fact he got hurt. You said you believe that GB will bench Favre for the rest of the year after 1 bad half of football at Dallas with Rodgers having 1 good half. Those comments are not debatable. They are outlandish and foolish. You have no idea what goes on in the GB Packer front office and what they think about FAvre. But that doesnt stop you from saying that you believe he will be benched. It is the most insane statement I have ever read on any message board, and there have been some beauts....


I am done with you because apparently you just make up stuff to get attention and you are just plain annoying....

 

[03EBZ06]

Patrick (Ocala, FL): If Romo reaches 40 TD's he would be the 6th QB to reach that number. I think someone is being ignored because of what Brady is doing. What do you think?

Matt Williamson: (12:20 PM ET ) I bet he is the MVP runner up. Also don't think he is being ignored. Everyone around the league knows how well he is playing.

All except packer homers.

 

[FloridaRob]

All except packer homers.

, Ok, go ahead and give Romo the nod for MVP wtih Brady. Favre already has three of them. There is no more room on the mantle. FAvre will trade that one for the Super Bowl MVP this year.

 

[03EBZ06]

, Ok, go ahead and give Romo the nod for MVP wtih Brady. Favre already has three of them. There is no more room on the mantle. FAvre will trade that one for the Super Bowl MVP this year.

Sorry, it won't happen this year. If we meet once again this season, we'll win again, but this time, score will be lot worse for your team.

 

[FloridaRob]

Sorry, it won't happen this year. If we meet once again this season, we'll win again, but this time, score will be lot worse for your team.

if the Packers play like they did last week then I would definetely agree. Hopefully they won't. Maybe Favre needs the lobotomy to get the Cowboy ghosts out of his mind......

 

[mr.jameswoods]

sigh, I am not a guest here. I am a member here. Just like you. I just happen to be a Packer fan. For the most part it has been a pleasant experience with friendly and funny banter between several posters. Yours, however, is just mind boggling.

You can go to any Packer forum and criticize FAvre all you want. I don't care if you criticize FAvre. Packer fans criticize Favre. You however didn't criticize him, you questioned everything that anybody with a clue knows is beyond question. His heart. He hasn't started 250 games in a row because he is scared of anybody. He plays when he is hurt. He has finished games this year when a Defensive lineman rolled up his ankle when most other QB would be sipping gatorade on the sidelines. He was beat up in teh KC game worse than he was in the Dallas game. The difference was, he wasn't injured.

Criticizing a player is one thing but questioning a players heart and leadership, especially with an injury involved is insane. Do you see the difference? I doubt it.

If I said that Troy Aikman wussed out on his career when he could have kept playing and faked the concussions, so he wouldn't have to play, I would expect you to defend Aikman.

If I said that Michael Irvin wussed out of the Philly game when he was hurt because he was taking a beating, I would expect you to defend Irvin.

If I said that Terry Glenn has been malingering this year because his injuries were not serious, I would expect you to defend him.

If I said that Tony Romo needed to be benched for the rest of the season after his 5 interception performance against Buffalo, I would expect you to defend him.

The reason I would expect that kind of response from you is because my statments would be STUPID and without merit.

You have made outlandish statements. NoT statements that have any merit, or have any basis, nor statements that are nothing more than fabrication. No intelligent football fan would ever make the kind of comments that you have made.

You point blank said that he quit in the New England game last year when in fact he got hurt. You said he quit in the Dallas game when in fact he got hurt. You said you believe that GB will bench Favre for the rest of the year after 1 bad half of football at Dallas with Rodgers having 1 good half. Those comments are not debatable. They are outlandish and foolish. You have no idea what goes on in the GB Packer front office and what they think about FAvre. But that doesnt stop you from saying that you believe he will be benched. It is the most insane statement I have ever read on any message board, and there have been some beauts....


I am done with you because apparently you just make up stuff to get attention and you are just plain annoying....

LOL...No, you are not like me. You are not a Cowboy fan nor have you posted here for a month let alone 7 years. When you've been here longer than a few weeks, you can call yourself a member. And it's not called NFLZONE, it's called COWBOYZONE! We have members who are Eagle and Commander fans but unlike you they have earned their right to be here. Just because you have "member" under your profile, it doesn't mean you are a part of the community; big difference! Questioning a players' heart is a form of criticism, there is no distinction regardless if you see it that way. If you questioned Aikman's heart, I would provide evidence to suggest otherwise but I wouldn't tell you to get a lobotomy. Defending a player is one thing, calling someone childish terms and making the issue about another member is called trolling,which is what you were doing. You can still contradict the issues I've raised about Favre without attacking me personally but apparently you don't know how to do that. If you aren't intelligent enough to not take criticisms of a player personally then leave this forum. This place is not for people like you. There are a lot of other forums for people who feel it's their perogative to troll because their player was criticized. This isn't one of them. Again, this is a very simple concept. The fact that you can't distinguish between flaming and discussing issues shows your lack of maturity. You are just a common troll who lurks these forums to antagonize people. You are behaving to avoid scorn from other members. That's fine, if it gets you to behave so be it. I know you are not goint to antagonize anyone else now because you've been called out


And regarding outlandish comments, I could easily criticize you for suggesting Favre will win the Superbowl MVP but I practice what I preach. Do you expect me to insult you? You should because that comment is completely baseless as well. For Favre to become MVP, you will have to beat the Cowboys in Dallas and the New England Patriots. That's a tall order considering Favre isn't at a 100% and that your team hasn't proved itself having played only 3 teams with winning records. Favre is 0-9 at Texas stadium too. Your hypocrisy is amazing. You have the nerve to criticize me but are boasting that Favre is going to win the Superbowl MVP and finish ahead of Romo for the season MVP. Do you really think you are earning a lot of respect for your hypocrisy? I mean I can understand someone criticizing me for questioning Favre but for someone to do that and then say Favre will win the superbowl MVP is just comical. Nonetheless, I've been on this forum for 7 years and every year, we get a guy just like you. LOL You guys always disappear after your predictions fail to come true

 

[mr.jameswoods]

Rodgers is not the 1st backup to come in and play well in that role. Starting is a different animal as teams prepared for you and break down your game of strength and weakness. Dallas did not get ready for Rodgers I can promise you that and the other simple fact is Brett has lead his team to a 10-2 record and QB's who have their team at 10-2 do not get benched this late in the season GB do that and Rodgers fails the outcry would be so great GB will sink or swim with Brett this season. There is no QB controversy in GB as to who the QB will be.

When was the last time a Green Bay backup came in and played well? Rodgers has also been a long time backup which is rare in the NFL these days. And there is no controversy now but if Favre fails to play well in these upcoming games, it could happen. I wouldn't be suprised if he faltered considering the team and Favre lost momentum after the Cowboy loss. Let's see what happens. I could certianly be wrong and if that's the case, I will admit it.

I do agree with your assessment regarding that backups have advantages because the defenses don't gameplan for them. At the same time, the backup has the disadvantage of lacking the starting experience. Getting snaps in practice is not the same as actually playing in a game and many backups have struggled when forced to enter a game. Rodgers played well considering the circumstances.

 

[FloridaRob]

if a tree falls in the WOODS and nobody hears it, does it make a sound?????

 

[mr.jameswoods]

if a tree falls in the WOODS and nobody hears it, does it make a sound?????

You read my post otherwise you wouldn't have responded

Faux wisdom is so easily transparent..LAbotomy