Greg Ellis Cap #s

[dueyhemlock]

This is a quote from a Todd Archer article:

Not only will the Cowboys have to solve the Owens mystery, they will have to make salary-cap decisions on strong safety Roy Williams, who will count $6.62 million in 2009, and outside linebacker Greg Ellis, who will count $6.25 million. Several decisions on free agents-to-be also loom.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...ain-the-hot-topic-?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=5


WOW, is this number accurate? If these 2 are cut, how much would this save us after prorated bonuses are factored in?

Sorry if this has been discussed and I missed it.

 

[DCBoysfan]

I didnt know his cap number was so high.

 

[Doomsday101]

I didnt know his cap number was so high.

Like most contracts they start off cap friendly and escalate on the latter part of it. I don't think it is in the Cowboys best interest to pay out that money to Ellis or Roy so if Dallas can save some cap dollars by releasing them then they should

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I didn't realise Greg's hit was that high either. I bet he had a good shot of getting cut before Spencer screwed up and got arrested. Now they might worry about Spencer getting into trouble again, down the road, and will keep Ellis around just in case cause of that.


Either way I honestly won't mind with Greg either. I'm a fan of him, always have been, so I won't be unhappy if he's still here.

 

[WoodysGirl]

This is the final year of Ellis' contract. I see no reason to cut him. Especially with the projected lack of depth at the OLB spot. If they don't draft another OLB, then I could see them extending Ellis for two years or so.

There's a 50-50 shot with him. On the one hand you want more production from him. On the other, the talent at the safety spot is stark. Henry moving to safety is a given, but whether he excels there is the question.

Hm..

 

[fanfromvirginia]

This is the final year of Ellis' contract. I see no reason to cut him. Especially with the projected lack of depth at the OLB spot. If they don't draft another OLB, then I could see them extending Ellis for two years or so.

There's a 50-50 shot with him. On the one hand you want more production from him. On the other, the talent at the safety spot is stark. Henry moving to safety is a given, but whether he excels there is the question.

Hm..

Wait a second -- if this is his last year, then his cap hit on the roster is surely significantly higher than off since he's played through most of his signing bonus, right?

That seems to me a pretty big potential reason to cut him.

 

[dueyhemlock]

I've seen conflicting reports on TO's bonus date:

The potential of the Cowboys losing Garrett to another team could accelerate the timetable for a decision about Owens. They had expected not to face a deadline until his $3 million roster bonus is due June 3. But that changes if Garrett finds himself in a position to leave the Cowboys and makes Owens' departure a condition of his remaining.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3833575

I know the Cowboys are having serious internal discussions about releasing Terrell Owens very soon. Serious discussions. The $3.1-million roster bonus due Owens in March is also adding to the discussions. It may affect the decision that Jason Garrett makes if he is offered a head coaching job.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/01/notes-from-lombardi-5/


As usual, the Mediots can't seem to get the story / #s correct, that's why I'm questioning the Ellis cap #'s.

 

[slotshot]

With a salary like that, at least he shouldn't cry about getting paid this year.

OK, OK...he will probably still cry.

 

[tomson75]

This is the final year of Ellis' contract. I see no reason to cut him. Especially with the projected lack of depth at the OLB spot. If they don't draft another OLB, then I could see them extending Ellis for two years or so.

There's a 50-50 shot with him. On the one hand you want more production from him. On the other, the talent at the safety spot is stark. Henry moving to safety is a given, but whether he excels there is the question.

Hm..

I don't have anything against keeping Ellis around to finish out his contract, but to extend him? Eeeesh. I'd be pretty wary of extending an OLB that turns 34 before the start of this season. Seems to me that the DE/rush LB position is one where the player's body typically starts to deteriorate pretty quickly past the age of 30.

 

[chinch]

3 guys ripe for being CUT

buh-bye whiners

 

[DCBoysfan]

Like most contracts they start off cap friendly and escalate on the latter part of it. I don't think it is in the Cowboys best interest to pay out that money to Ellis or Roy so if Dallas can save some cap dollars by releasing them then they should

Well short of exending him, I can't see him playing with that cap number, Spencer with his legal troubles aside, needs to be pushing him for a starting spot. Also RW38 makes too much money to be a two down player IMO, so some tough decison are going to be made, I think alot of long time cowboys are going to be gone.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Wait a second -- if this is his last year, then his cap hit on the roster is surely significantly higher than off since he's played through most of his signing bonus, right?

That seems to me a pretty big potential reason to cut him.

Honestly, I have no idea about a Greg ellis cap hit.

I would think the final year of his six-year contract isn't significantly backloaded with bonus money. I think it's pretty much all salary, so that if he's cut, they'd prolly get the all or at least the majority of it back.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Ellis has never won anything, a whiner and in decline.....please exit stage left.

The Cowboys need to learn the art of getting rid of players before they begin to go downhill.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I don't have anything against keeping Ellis around to finish out his contract, but to extend him? Eeeesh. I'd be pretty wary of extending an OLB that turns 34 before the start of this season. Seems to me that the DE/rush LB position is one where the player's body typically starts to deteriorate pretty quickly past the age of 30.

If we're thinking depth, two years isn't that significant. No one had a problem with signing Zach Thomas who is older than ellis to a 5-year deal.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Good Lord, Ellis is making that type of coin???

Bye Ellis, and take Roy38 and his ridiculous cap # with you.

I am not yet convinced on cutting TO, I think he can still produce and Roy11 has shown me JACK that he is capable of being a #1. He cant even run a dam route correctly yet and we are going to make him the #1 and cut TO???

I dont think so, not with what we have seen from Roy11 so far.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

I've always liked Ellis and have defended him on multiple occasions during his various offseason tantrums (at least for the first few times.)

But that number is just too big for what we're likely to get and he is not likely to restructure for the good of the team (to put it mildly).

So, yeah, I would support cutting Ellis under the circumstances.

 

[tomson75]

If we're thinking depth, two years isn't that significant. No one had a problem with signing Zach Thomas who is older than ellis to a 5-year deal.

True....but at the time, I thought Thomas would be able to translate his abilities to the 3-4, and we'd be able to free him up to protect him from lineman....and the deal was structured to basically make it a one year deal.

I don't think Ellis is the player that I thought Thomas would be, either. Dunno, just seems like we'd be going the wrong way with a move like that. His whining certainly won't be missed, and it'd be nice if this team could try to add youth.

 

[WoodysGirl]

True....but at the time, I thought Thomas would be able to translate his abilities to the 3-4, and we'd be able to free him up to protect him from lineman....and the deal was structured to basically make it a one year deal.

I don't think Ellis is the player that I thought Thomas would be, either. Dunno, just seems like we'd be going the wrong way with a move like that. His whining certainly won't be missed, and it'd be nice if this team could try to add youth.

I'm not advocating they extend Ellis. Just saying a 1-2 year extension could reduce the cap hit and maintain depth.

As for adding youth, I'm a big proponent of adding youth; but adding youth who can play.

 

[tomson75]

I'm not advocating they extend Ellis. Just saying a 1-2 year extension could reduce the cap hit and maintain depth.

As for adding youth, I'm a big proponent of adding youth; but adding youth who can play.

Gotcha. That makes more sense. I thought you were thinking he'd be playing football here in two or more years....I don't see that happening.

 

[chinch]

looks like we save at least $4.1m of the $6.25 when JAG Ellis is cut.

if jerry pays or extends he's a complete dope.

Greg Ellis for Jason Taylor trade?
1:37 PM Fri, May 30, 2008 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
Todd Archer E-mail News tips

Since some of you have asked, could the Cowboys and Dolphins make a Greg Ellis-for-Jason Taylor trade?

Before Sports Illustrated's Truth & Rumors picks this thing up, like it did on Timmy Mac's Joe Horn blog a few weeks back, please know this is all hypothetical.

Taylor wants out of Miami, and the Dolphins have said he won't be attending mini-camp or training camp. Ellis has skipped the OTAs but has not said he wants to leave the Cowboys.

From a cap standpoint, it would be difficult because Taylor would have to re-structure his contract to fit under the Cowboys' cap. He is scheduled to make base salaries of $7.5 million and $8 million over the next two years. And I believe he might have some roster bonus money due as well. Greg Ellis for Jason Taylor trade?
1:37 PM Fri, May 30, 2008 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
Todd Archer E-mail News tips

Since some of you have asked, could the Cowboys and Dolphins make a Greg Ellis-for-Jason Taylor trade?

Before Sports Illustrated's Truth & Rumors picks this thing up, like it did on Timmy Mac's Joe Horn blog a few weeks back, please know this is all hypothetical.

Taylor wants out of Miami, and the Dolphins have said he won't be attending mini-camp or training camp. Ellis has skipped the OTAs but has not said he wants to leave the Cowboys.

From a cap standpoint, it would be difficult because Taylor would have to re-structure his contract to fit under the Cowboys' cap. He is scheduled to make base salaries of $7.5 million and $8 million over the next two years. And I believe he might have some roster bonus money due as well. Ellis is scheduled to make $3.3 million and $4.1 million the next two years.