Greg Ellis, LB - Dallas Cowboys

[Rack]

Anyone who still carries a grudge against Ellis is not a real cowboy fan.
Moss is a punk - simple as that. Whatever else you can say about Greg Ellis, he never gave less then all he had when he was in the game. A quitter and troublemaker like Moss is someone I am GLAD will never be a cowboy.

Who the hell are you to say who is or isn't a real cowboy fan?


I agreed and still agree with taking Ellis over Moss, but I DO hold a "Grudge" against Ellis for the way he's acted like a little "Female dog" the last two years.

You don't judge a person's character by how they act when things are going nice and smooth for him/her, you judge their character by how they act when things are going tough for them. And Ellis has failed MISERABLY when things are going just a LITTLE tough for him.

He has NEVER Lived up to his top 10 draft status. He has been average AT BEST throughout his career. And he's consistently disappeared in second halves of seasons. At least Moss was THE #1 WR in the NFL and was DOMINANT for awhile. Not that that gives him any leeway to open his mouth, but at least he's done something in this league. I'd never call Moss a "Bust", but I'd sure as hell put that label on Ellis. Ellis has been solid, but you don't want "Solid" out of a top 10 pick.

You know, you're absolutely right. It's not like Ellis has ever complained about money, or the amount of the team's "commitment" to him. Ellis is always there when the going gets tough, right? Showing up big in the second half of the season, instead of cashing it in. He's never made any asinine comments to the press about how he's being used, questioning the coaching staff's decisions, and comparing himself to a labratory test animal. I mean, it's not like Ellis is currently whining about the Cowboys drafting an eventual replacement for a 30+ year old linebacker coming off a serious injury who consistently fades down the stretch or anything.

Ellis would never do any of that, would he? Cuz he's so damn classy. Puh-leeze.

 

[Verdict]

Larry Allen was cut. Ellis is basically sitting right where Allen sat last year, imo. Ellis doesn't have much to offer the Cowboys anymore(injured and really not a 3-4 LB/DE). I always liked Ellis as a player but could never get over the fact that the Cowboys passed on Moss to take him. It wouldn't surprise me to see Ellis as the final player cut this year. Ellis' History can be summed up as such: Nice guy, good player although never dominant, but fails miserably in comparison to Randy Moss.

I'm not sure you can compare the two. If I remember correctly, Allen's cap charge was very significant compared to his performance, while Ellis' contract is more in line with his actual worth, provided he is 100% healthy.

 

[smarta5150]

You know, you're absolutely right. It's not like Ellis has ever complained about money, or the amount of the team's "commitment" to him. Ellis is always there when the going gets tough, right? Showing up big in the second half of the season, instead of cashing it in. He's never made any asinine comments to the press about how he's being used, questioning the coaching staff's decisions, and comparing himself to a labratory test animal. I mean, it's not like Ellis is currently whining about the Cowboys drafting an eventual replacement for a 30+ year old linebacker coming off a serious injury who consistently fades down the stretch or anything.

Ellis would never do any of that, would he? Cuz he's so damn classy. Puh-leeze.

I really dislike PUNK but damn, I cant agree more. :

 

[superpunk]

I really dislike PUNK but damn, I cant agree more. :

It's just an outline of facts, there's really nothing to agree with.





And you know you love me. Don't front.

 

[dffl11]

Anyone who still carries a grudge against Ellis is not a real cowboy fan.
Moss is a punk - simple as that. Whatever else you can say about Greg Ellis, he never gave less then all he had when he was in the game. A quitter and troublemaker like Moss is someone I am GLAD will never be a cowboy.

:bravo:

Great point and well stated in very few words!

 

[smarta5150]

:bravo:

Great point and well stated in very few words!

You obviously didn't read the whole post.

 

[dffl11]

You obviously didn't read the whole post.

I quoted the whole post. it was short and to the point. I love Gregg Ellis, and am thrilled to death that Moss was never a Cowboy.

What did i miss?

 

[jobberone]

Spencer was drafted to play OLB/DE. Basically he's here to put pressure on the QB. That's it.

Seems many are emphatic Spencer is here to replace Ellis. Who says Ellis doesn't move to DE. Because he's better or due to injuries. Or Ellis gets moved over to replace Ware who got injured (God forbid).

Why would you want to cubby hole Spencer or Ellis. We need both. Rather we certainly are a better team with both of them assuming Ellis plays like last year and Spencer plays as well as many have him already doing. And why would you really want a rookie to start outside and an essential rookie in Carpenter to play right beside him. Experience does count and I'd rather have them learn the position rather well before having to start both of them esp Spencer.

Are we better off with Ellis and Spencer and Ware or would you prefer to move Ellis to another team?

There are plenty of plays for everyone to contribute.

 

[Clove]

For Ellis' sake, he'd better hope that Spencer doesn't come in off the bench and tear it up, because this organization's been looking for a dominance at that position for years, and Ware is starting to show that, and now if Spencer shows off, it's over for Ellis.

 

[baj1dallas]

Commentary from the 50,000-watt bastion of the supreme truth, plausiable deniability and insights that sear the brain:

I just hate it when a coach tiptoes around a subject in order to not hurt the aging veteran.
True, if Ellis is healthy, Spencer should watch and learn for a while.
But to say Spencer was not drafted to replace Ellis is an outright lie.
Spencer was picked to replace Ellis or anyone else who is too old, too expensive or too hurt. You know it, I know it, the Lions Clubs knows it.

A situational pass rusher? Sounds good to me.
But say it the way it is: Spencer is being groomed. Ellis is on his last leg(s).

It's a business and the sooner cry baby Ellis learns that the sooner he will be at peace with his situation.

You don't groom pass rushers. I don't think Ellis is crying...I don't know what kind of job you have, but it sucks to have to worry about finding a new one, especially if you're going to be "fired" at a time nobody is hiring. I don't think anybody but board members and some desperate local media are trying to make a story out of this. Ellis played pretty well last year and there's no reason to believe he can't do it for another couple years at least. Having another guy on the team like Spencer who can at the very least rush the passer only makes sense, no matter what his long term prospects are or aren't.

 

[Rack]

Ellis played pretty well last year and there's no reason to believe he can't do it for another couple years at least

Except, of course, for that ever present ACHILLES HEAL injury he suffered that ended his season last year. There is just that one little thing.


Not saying it means he won't be the same, just pointing out (by use of sarcasm) that saying "there's no reason to believe he can't do it for another couple of years at least" is incorrect.

 

[Jarv]

Except, of course, for that ever present ACHILLES HEAL injury he suffered that ended his season last year. There is just that one little thing.


Not saying it means he won't be the same, just pointing out (by use of sarcasm) that saying "there's no reason to believe he can't do it for another couple of years at least" is incorrect.

It a darn shame for Greg, he has just about his whole career been in a read and react defense vs. an attack defense. He did lead or tie for many years here in sacks. Now that we have a coach that would let him loose, vs. a read and react, he blows the darn achilles.

Sorry, bad timing Greg. You could become what Jim Jeffcoat was his last few years here, I would be happy with that.

 

[CF74]

Yeah... at crying like a little girl.

Nah, just the fans and the media twisting words for a story as usual

 

[AsthmaField]

It a darn shame for Greg, he has just about his whole career been in a read and react defense vs. an attack defense. He did lead or tie for many years here in sacks. Now that we have a coach that would let him loose, vs. a read and react, he blows the darn achilles.

Who knows... had Ellis not torn his achilles, we might would have won another game or two. That also could include the Seattle game. We might have gone a little deeper into the playoffs.

Had we done that, perhaps Parcells might have stuck around for 1 more year and Ellis still would be playing in a read and react scheme.

Then, that means that Phillips would likely be the head coach in San Diego and Norv Turner would still be the offensive coordinator in San Fran. Plus, Garrett probably would still be the QB coach in Miami... maybe the OC for the fins.

Then, Garrett might have talked Miami into taking Brady Quinn at pick number 9 of the draft and we never make the trade with Cleveland for their first rounder next year.

Then, because Ted Ginn would still be on the board, he would have slid to pick 22 and we might have taken him instead of Spencer. That way, there would have been no competition for Greg Ellis' OLB spot.

Say! Greg was right. We took Spencer because he hurt his achilles!

 

[JoeCorrado]

Anyone who still carries a grudge against Ellis is not a real cowboy fan.
Moss is a punk - simple as that. Whatever else you can say about Greg Ellis, he never gave less then all he had when he was in the game. A quitter and troublemaker like Moss is someone I am GLAD will never be a cowboy.

I'll second that.

 

[Rack]

Nah, just the fans and the media twisting words for a story as usual

No not at all. I read the direct quotes. He's crying like a little baby just like he did last year.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Coach Wade Phillips insists the Cowboys didn't draft Anthony Spencer to replace Ellis

We need more and better pass rushers. That is why Spencer got drafted. The pass rush needs fixed. Period.

 

[skinsscalper]

Some people around here are happy with an 8 sack/season average out of our longest tenured "defensive leader", some of us are not and ready for a move in a different direction.

I DO think that we are a better team with Ellis in the fold.................but without the "poor me" drama. If it's going to be a tear-fest, then it's time to move towards the future and let the past lie where it belongs......in the rear view mirror.

SS

 

[CF74]

No not at all. I read the direct quotes. He's crying like a little baby just like he did last year.

Like with real tears yo???

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

...or would you prefer to move Ellis to another team?

He can whine somewhere else. And we might be able to get a fifth round pick maybe from the Texans.