Greg Ellis Trade?

[SA_Gunslinger]

i didn't think so at all until today....but now i'm calling it.

we trade him before training camp.

he's almost forcing us to. that's gonna leave a big gap on the defensive front, though. unless we trade for someone else on the DL, of course.



but no way parcells wants this drama AND t.o. drama together.
bye bye ellis.

 

[BigDDynasty]

but no way parcells wants this drama AND t.o. drama together.
bye bye ellis.

AMEN...

 

[dbair1967]

Top 10 player at his position??? I hope you're kidding.

no, he isnt...can you name 10 4-3 LDE's better than him?

If you think you can please do so, we all need some amusement..

the guy is one of the better all around DE's in football but because he was drafted here, by Jones and instead of that loser team cancer Moss, everyone throws Ellis under the bus

its pretty stupid IMO...the guys been a great player for us for years...and he's been an INCREDIBLE bargain when you look at his production vs his cap charges...

David

 

[Alexander]

no, he isnt...can you name 10 4-3 LDE's better than him?

Nice to see you narrow it down by including the LEFT DE addition.

That's pretty slick.

 

[dbair1967]

Nice to see you narrow it down by including the LEFT DE addition.

That's pretty slick.

its the positon he plays isnt it? not really slick, just the truth

David

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I could name 10 better DEs, not LDEs though

but all in all, Ellis wasn't worth the 8th overall selection we invested in him, and Moss wasn't the only good player we passed up that would have been more worthy of the selection

 

[dbair1967]

but all in all, Ellis wasn't worth the 8th overall selection we invested in him, and Moss wasn't the only good player we passed up that would have been more worthy of the selection

really, like who would have been more worthy? This list has been posted numerous times, and there werent alot of great players picked in the 1st rd of the 98 draft, especially after the 8th pick

and Ellis has certainly been a better player than both the DE's picked ahead of him (Wadsworth who was a huge bust and Wistrom)

David

 

[Yeagermeister]

Ellis for Ogden?


*ducks for cover*

 

[Bob Sacamano]

really, like who would have been more worthy? This list has been posted numerous times, and there werent alot of great players picked in the 1st rd of the 98 draft, especially after the 8th pick

and Ellis has certainly been a better player than both the DE's picked ahead of him (Wadsworth who was a huge bust and Wistrom)

David

ok, fine, we passed up Moss for him

 

[InmanRoshi]

Many DE's are moved around on the left side and the right side and back and forth in persuit of a favorable matchup. So there are very few DE's who can be considered "True left DE's". Its not hard to end up as one of the top 10 in your pos ition when there are only 15 who meet the criteria.

I'm quite certain Greg Ellis is probably the best DE in the NFL who has the initials GE and who played at the university of North Carolina. Name me one better.

 

[dbair1967]

ok, fine, we passed up Moss for him

lots of teams passed on that loser Moss, not just us

but here you go...like I was saying:

8 Dallas Greg Ellis DE North Carolina
9 Jacksonville Fred Taylor RB Florida
10 Baltimore Duane Starks CB Miami
11 Philadelphia Tra Thomas T Florida State
12 Atlanta Keith Brooking OLB Georgia Tech
13 Cincinnati Takeo Spikes OLB Auburn
14 Carolina Jason Peter DE Nebraska
15 Seattle Anthony Simmons OLB Clemson
16 Tennessee Kevin Dyson WR Utah
17 Cincinnati Brian Simmons OLB North Carolina
18 New England Robert Edwards RB Georgia
19 Green Bay Vonnie Holliday DT North Carolina
20 Detroit Terry Fair CB Tennessee
21 Minnesota Randy Moss WR Marshall
22 New England Tebucky Jones SS Syracuse
23 Oakland Mo Collins G Florida
24 N.Y. Giants Shaun Williams SS UCLA
25 Jacksonville Donovin Darius SS Syracuse
26 Pittsburgh Alan Faneca G Louisiana State
27 Kansas City Victor Riley T Auburn
28 San Francisco R.W. McQuarters CB Oklahoma State
29 Miami John Avery RB Mississippi
30 Denver Marcus Nash WR Tennessee

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm quite certain Greg Ellis is probably the best DE in the NFL who has the initials GE and who played at the university of North Carolina. Name me one better.

:laugh1:

 

[Bob Sacamano]

lots of teams passed on that loser Moss, not just us

but here you go...like I was saying:

8 Dallas Greg Ellis DE North Carolina
9 Jacksonville Fred Taylor RB Florida
10 Baltimore Duane Starks CB Miami
11 Philadelphia Tra Thomas T Florida State
12 Atlanta Keith Brooking OLB Georgia Tech
13 Cincinnati Takeo Spikes OLB Auburn
14 Carolina Jason Peter DE Nebraska
15 Seattle Anthony Simmons OLB Clemson
16 Tennessee Kevin Dyson WR Utah
17 Cincinnati Brian Simmons OLB North Carolina
18 New England Robert Edwards RB Georgia
19 Green Bay Vonnie Holliday DT North Carolina
20 Detroit Terry Fair CB Tennessee
21 Minnesota Randy Moss WR Marshall
22 New England Tebucky Jones SS Syracuse
23 Oakland Mo Collins G Florida
24 N.Y. Giants Shaun Williams SS UCLA
25 Jacksonville Donovin Darius SS Syracuse
26 Pittsburgh Alan Faneca G Louisiana State
27 Kansas City Victor Riley T Auburn
28 San Francisco R.W. McQuarters CB Oklahoma State
29 Miami John Avery RB Mississippi
30 Denver Marcus Nash WR Tennessee

I'd take those guys over Ellis, but alas, hindsight is 20/20

 

[dbair1967]

Many DE's are moved around on the left side and the right side and back and forth in persuit of a favorable matchupl. Are we talking about DE's who ONLY play the left side? If so, its not hard to end up as one of the top 10 in your pos ition when there are only 15 who meet the criteria.

I'm quite certain Greg Ellis is probably the best DE in the NFL who has the initials GE and who played at the university of North Carolina. Name me one better.

you know exactly what I am talking about Roshi

you take out the 3-4 teams obviously...most teams the DE's play LDE or RDE a majority of the time...sure they move some, but Michael Strahan pretty much lines up at LDE every down...Julius Peppers lines up at LDE almost eveyr down

David

 

[dbair1967]

I'd take those guys over Ellis, but alas, hindsight is 20/20

Taylor has been a good RB, but we had Emmitt here and wouldnt have drafted him regardless...Tra Thomas is not a better LT than Greg Ellis is a DE, and Thomas certianly isnt a better LT than Flozelle Adams, who we drafted in the 2nd rd of this draft

Moss has already been run off by one team who was sick of his garbage, and will probably be run by another one after this season

David

 

[InmanRoshi]

you know exactly what I am talking about Roshi

you take out the 3-4 teams obviously...most teams the DE's play LDE or RDE a majority of the time...sure they move some, but Michael Strahan pretty much lines up at LDE every down...Julius Peppers lines up at LDE almost eveyr down

David

Jared Allen and Bertrand Berry play in 4-3's, and they line up on both sides.

So now we can only use ends that play for a team that runs the 4-3 who line up on the left side all the time ... I'm sure if we keep narrowing that criteria down we can fit Greg in the Top 10.

 

[dmq]

What about trading him to NO? They have been trade happy lately. Does anyone know the base defense they are gonna run? We aren't gonna release him. You can bank on that. I wouldn't mind trading him for a third. The way we have put it together w/ our drafts lately, it could be a really good player in the future. Plus it gives you way more mobility in the draft if we see somone we like.

 

[iceberg]

What about trading him to NO? They have been trade happy lately. Does anyone know the base defense they are gonna run? We aren't gonna release him. You can bank on that. I wouldn't mind trading him for a third. The way we have put it together w/ our drafts lately, it could be a really good player in the future. Plus it gives you way more mobility in the draft if we see somone we like.

fine - but i'll take no less than bush for him. : )

 

[BlueStar22]

fine - but i'll take no less than bush for him. : )

and Brees.

 

[iceberg]

and Brees.

well i didn't wanna seem unreasonable - this is just ellis after all. it's not like we've got coakley to offer...