Greg Ellis Trade?

[Alexander]

Maybe I'm a Polyanna -- I just don't see that in Ellis.

If he really wants out, tanking it would be the only thing that could hurt his future salary. He leaves here and he in for 7-10 mill as an SB. But if he tank it and pouts, he's going to lose some serious scratch.

Of course, I never thought I'd hear him complaining like this. So all bets might be off.

I think we will wait this out and see if it gets worse.

The big test will be if he holds out of camp. He has said he wouldn't. If he does, then I have no doubt we dump him.

 

[wileedog]

I think we will wait this out and see if it gets worse.

The big test will be if he holds out of camp. He has said he wouldn't. If he does, then I have no doubt we dump him.

Agreed. But I just don't see any way they trade him before that.

A - We need the pass rush. Even a half-*** one. If nothing else we need the depth. We got derailed by injuries as much as a kicker last year.

B - I don't think we can get value in return. Disgruntled players don't bring back strong trade value for obvious reasons. and,

C - I just don't see Bill giving in on this one. I think he'll work on Ellis all camp (IF he reports) and get him to buy in, if begrudgingly.

Both Bill and Jerry have made strong statements that Ellis is going nowhere. Now they just need to convince Ellis of that.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

and dbair, I'm quite sure Dallas didn't draft Ellis to be a LDE after holding NC's career sacks record, in fact, I believe he was moved to the left side after his rookie year

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Bledsoe is 4 years older and truth is Volek has never had much of a chance at the starters role and does not have much wear on him. I'm not advocating Dallas should look at him but I think if he gets a chance to be a starter I think he could do the job based off what I have seen of him when he has had extended playing time

it seems Volek is only effective when he's throwing to Drew Bennett

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Mathis and Freeney play on the same team, so they can't both be LDEs (Mathis is the LE). You can add Reggie Heyward there though.

Taylor plays the right side also.

doesn't Bertrand Berry play LDE also?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Show me one quote from anybody on the Cowboys saying they're looking into trading Ellis...

Just one, summer...

I'm just saying, if we were looking to trade Ellis we wouldn't be seeing anything of real value in return because of what you have quoted, I know Dallas isn't going to trade him

 

[bewareofdware]

Who could use somenoe like Ellis, Denver? Who are their CB's other than Champ?

they had a rookie on the other side that wosen't bad last year

 

[Bob Sacamano]

they had a rookie on the other side that wosen't bad last year

Dominique Foxworth and Darrent Williams were pretty good last year, maybe the best 2 corners of last year's rookie crop

 

[bewareofdware]

Dominique Foxworth and Darrent Williams were pretty good last year, maybe the best 2 corners of last year's rookie crop

thanks i was thinking of darrent williams

 

[Eskimo]

doesn't Bertrand Berry play LDE also?

I seem to recall him lining up more over Tucker when we played the Cards last year which would suggest he is more of a RDE. I think Berry is a classic edge pass rusher.

I remember wanting him two years ago but we decided to sign Wiley because he was a "bargain" and played the run better.

 

[silverbear]

Might be in reference to this



http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?id=A1BBBCD4-DC29-C244-C6B6140A76E4DD8A

That refers to the Cowboys not being committed to him, but says nothing about him giving less than full effort for them... he's saying he might not be a happy camper, but anything more than that is an assumption on your part (not you specifically, BigD, that's aimed at everybody who seems to be saying that Greg would dog it this year)...

 

[silverbear]

His statement was basically that he would do what's necessary, "no more, no less".

Again, I never saw such a statement... without meaning to be confrontational, if he DID say that, I'd like to read the quote... if I did, it might bring me around to something closer to your point of view...

But all I've seen is him saying he'd show up for camp, and all mandatory workouts, because he's under contract...

Since he has always been a player that's got what's he achieved through effort, this isn't in our best interest to have less of what has made his successes.

If he really said that, you're right... but again, I've read nothing even vaguely resembling that from Greg, and I think you know that I read everything I can find about the Cowboys...

However, it's always possible that I missed something along the way, so if you have input for me, bring it on... I like to think I have at least some intellectual flexibility, and new facts could possibly cause me to change my opinion...

But as things stand now, this just isn't nearly the big deal that so many of y'all are making it out to be... indeed, I rather think that if there was something else football-related to talk about right now, this whole Ellis controversy would have a much lower profile on these boards...

 

[silverbear]

Maybe I'm a Polyanna -- I just don't see that in Ellis.

If he really wants out, tanking it would be the only thing that could hurt his future salary. He leaves here and he in for 7-10 mill as an SB. But if he tank it and pouts, he's going to lose some serious scratch.

Ahhh, common sense puts in an appearance... there is literally no way that Ellis will give the Boys anything less than full effort this year, simply because anything less would come back to bite him in the butt when it's time to strike a new deal elsewhere... it would be cutting off his nose to spite his face...

 

[silverbear]

I think we will wait this out and see if it gets worse.

The big test will be if he holds out of camp. He has said he wouldn't. If he does, then I have no doubt we dump him.

If he holds out, screw him... but until then, this is a tempest in a teapot...

 

[silverbear]

I'm just saying, if we were looking to trade Ellis we wouldn't be seeing anything of real value in return because of what you have quoted, I know Dallas isn't going to trade him

OK, summer, I must have misunderstood you... I thought you were saying that the Cowboys had publicly stated that they were looking to trade Greg...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

OK, summer, I must have misunderstood you...

apology accepted

 

[iceberg]

His statement was basically that he would do what's necessary, "no more, no less".

Since he has always been a player that's got what's he achieved through effort, this isn't in our best interest to have less of what has made his successes.

define "necessary"

to some it's barely enough.
to others it's all they have.

this is where i think "wordsmiths" read only their POV into the words of another and make things difficult picking fights about topics where they just didn't exist.