Greg Hardy? No visits?

[Daillest88]

didn't know where to post this.. has he had any visits at all?

 

[MrPhil]

didn't know where to post this.. has he had any visits at all?

None that I have seen. I am guessing that he is getting the Ray Rice treatment for now....untouchable. That could certainly change as teams get more and more desperate for pass rushers but for now, I think the perception is too much risk, not enough reward.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Hopefully we can get him for one year at the vet minimum.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Hopefully we can get him for one year at the vet minimum.

If he actually accepts that, it will be buried in incentives that will boost the possible payday to, above or at least close to $10M. As there is no way I could see him taking a contract that would top out paying him the vet minimum or even a few million over that. The end game with him will still be at least an $8M/year payday, though I expect him to demand more than that.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

If he actually accepts that, it will be buried in incentives that will boost the possible payday to, above or at least close to $10M. As there is no way I could see him taking a contract that would top out paying him the vet minimum or even a few million over that. The end game with him will still be at least an $8M/year payday, though I expect him to demand more than that.

If he leads the league in sacks it'll be money well spent. I don't mind incentive-based contracts. You pay for what you get. Minimal production - minimum contract. Elite production - big contract. Seems as fair as it can get to me.

 

[YosemiteSam]

If he leads the league in sacks it'll be money well spent. I don't mind incentive-based contracts. You pay for what you get. Minimal production - minimum contract. Elite production - big contract. Seems as fair as it can get to me.

I agree. Personally, I think all contracts should be incentive based. This way you aren't paying for pass production and the player gets full bounty on his current production whether he is a rookie or was just previously unproven.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

As I've watched FA play out, I have thought that Hardy might end up back in Dallas. Is his production worse then what FA has available? Will any DE we draft come in and give us the production he did last year? Better DT play will help him a lot. I actually think that the best move (assuming the money makes sense and I'm not talking vet minimum here) might be to keep Hardy.

 

[movaughn88]

As I've watched FA play out, I have thought that Hardy might end up back in Dallas. Is his production worse then what FA has available? Will any DE we draft come in and give us the production he did last year? Better DT play will help him a lot. I actually think that the best move (assuming the money makes sense and I'm not talking vet minimum here) might be to keep Hardy.

I think you're absolutely right. There is a non-zero "cost" to any of the other 31 teams of bringing him on board. There will be local media backlash, some of that team's players might not agree, etc.

We have already incurred a lot of that negative cost. Bringing him back will be met with the equivalent of eye-rolls from those opposed to his employment for non-football reasons.

Another incentive-laden contract with what I'd hope would be some humbling on his part (unlikely given his personality) could be of value to this team, as I think with a full camp and season he could outperform his production last year. There might even be clauses in his contract to punish him for his late/flaky tenancies, which could help offset the annoyance of teammates for him choosing to flout the rules.

He's still a good football player.

 

[Idgit]

As I've watched FA play out, I have thought that Hardy might end up back in Dallas. Is his production worse then what FA has available? Will any DE we draft come in and give us the production he did last year? Better DT play will help him a lot. I actually think that the best move (assuming the money makes sense and I'm not talking vet minimum here) might be to keep Hardy.

He was kind of a beast. Even when his productivity 'dropped off,' he was commanding a ton of attention.
The team's sent mixed messages on him. My best guess is they'd take him back if he represented a real value, but they wouldn't break the bank on him or commit to him long-term. He'll be on the R. McClain plan, if he's back at all.

 

[big dog cowboy]

If he leads the league in sacks

There is a bad man that plays football in the southern end of the state who likes to accomplish that every year.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think you're absolutely right. There is a non-zero "cost" to any of the other 31 teams of bringing him on board. There will be local media backlash, some of that team's players might not agree, etc.

We have already incurred a lot of that negative cost. Bringing him back will be met with the equivalent of eye-rolls from those opposed to his employment for non-football reasons.

Another incentive-laden contract with what I'd hope would be some humbling on his part (unlikely given his personality) could be of value to this team, as I think with a full camp and season he could outperform his production last year. There might even be clauses in his contract to punish him for his late/flaky tenancies, which could help offset the annoyance of teammates for him choosing to flout the rules.

He's still a good football player.

I agree. Guess we will see how this all works out.

 

[BAZ]

I know people like to call Garrett a puppet, but I got the impression he had already made a decision about Hardy. On another one I would have no problem with a return.

 

[Idgit]

I know people like to call Garrett a puppet, but I got the impression he had already made a decision about Hardy. On another one I would have no problem with a return.

That's how I felt, too. Jerry and Marinelli and even Steven were more sanguine about him possibly coming back. Jason was pretty curt about it, where he was pretty positive about McClain.

It's possible Hardy just wanted stupid money, though. If that changes, he could come back into play.

 

[BAZ]

That's how I felt, too. Jerry and Marinelli and even Steven were more sanguine about him possibly coming back. Jason was pretty curt about it, where he was pretty positive about McClain.

It's possible Hardy just wanted stupid money, though. If that changes, he could come back into play.

When you can minimise risk with less guaranteed money it's always better, but if the coaches have decided he hurt the locker room then I can't see it happening.

 

[Idgit]

When you can minimise risk with less guaranteed money it's always better, but if the coaches have decided he hurt the locker room then I can't see it happening.

I agree. But I've heard differing things on his locker room impact. stash linked to an interview with Marinelli recently that'd I'd forgotten about where the DC was very complimentary of Hardy and his work with the team. Most of what I'd heard to the contrary was basically plausible speculation that he was a problem. Dez sure has his back, though.

 

[Nightman]

He could net us a 4th if he signs a decent deal somewhere else

That is the only plus I see to not re-signing him

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

He was kind of a beast. Even when his productivity 'dropped off,' he was commanding a ton of attention.
The team's sent mixed messages on him. My best guess is they'd take him back if he represented a real value, but they wouldn't break the bank on him or commit to him long-term. He'll be on the R. McClain plan, if he's back at all.

The addition of a powerful 1Tech will help him a great deal. Thornton could be a very, very important signing for us. Thornton is a guy who can overpower a guard or Center if left one on one. Combine that with Crawford, that's going to make it much more difficult to double up on Hardy. It could be a really different situation for Hardy if he is retained.

 

[skinsscalper]

Hardy won't be back in Dallas under any circumstance. Book it.

 

[Rockport]

Hardy won't be back in Dallas under any circumstance. Book it.

I agree. I think he can be dominant again but his off the field antics have turned off the Cowboys.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I think this might have him signing in Dallas for another year just because no one seems to interested in him. I have no real feeling on him one way or the other at this point. He wasn't bad enough to hate here last year and he wasn't good enough to be dying to have back.