Greg Hardy Suspension

[Idgit]

It's goodell handling the appeal. I see him not changing his initial decision and this going to court where it will be reduced to 2 games.

The fact that they hit him with 'conduct detrimental to the league' instead of something directly relating to a DV charge...does that change things in terms of what the precedent is here? Or is that transparent enough that it's not an effective dodge of the prior standard? What do you think?

 

[erod]

Tonight, Hardy gave up Twitter after Garrett jumped his butt over an insensitive 9/11 tweet.

 

[Nightman]

None, i cant see how a judge can uphold any suspension for him when the charges were dropped. But wipe out APs when he was convicted.

Peterson was suspended without pay indefinitely at end of last season, covering 6 games. He had been on the Commissioner's Exempt list before that and was getting paid. The league does not see or count time on the exempt list as punishment.

He had that suspension reduced to 2 games in Federal Court by Judge Doty. The League has appealed and that probably won't be heard until the fall.

The League has lifted Peterson's indefinite suspension and re-instated him from the Commissioner's Exempt List.

Hardy's suspension should be covered by Doty's ruling, but since the Federal Appeal won't be heard for months that is troubling. He would have to have his league appeal denied first. He then would have to sue in Federal Court and win. Then he would need to get a stay from the Courts. That has been very rare so far.

It is very likely he misses 4-6 games until Doty's appeal is finally heard. The League would still hold the Commissioner's Exempt List over his head and refuse to re-instate him until he meets with the League under their terms.

 

[Nightman]

Tonight, Hardy gave up Twitter after Garrett jumped his butt over an insensitive 9/11 tweet.

Too bad, he was entertaining

 

[Kaiser]

Its for the best, when CJ Wilson was in his first or second year with the Rangers he used to post on the fan sites of Jamey Newberg and Adam Morris. One day he posted something dumber than Hardy's tweet (and I like CJ) and the Ranger players like Michael Young told him to knock off all Internet postings, which he did.

 

[CCBoy]

It's goodell handling the appeal. I see him not changing his initial decision and this going to court where it will be reduced to 2 games.

Agreed, as he has always put himself above the law and court traditions. Privilege meet legitimized authority that has not been contracted away...

 

[endersdragon]

None, i cant see how a judge can uphold any suspension for him when the charges were dropped. But wipe out APs when he was convicted.

Two words... Big Ben.

 

[AzorAhai]

This process is complete BS. If Goodell or his cronies hear the appeal it won't be reduced. From there Hardy will probably sue, which will take months to actually go to court. During this time he will still be on the commisioners exempt list, likely staying there until the court rules at least. If Hardy has his suspension reduced to 2 games like AP did, Goodell does NOT have to remove him from the list. They could in turn appeal the courts rulings and technically keep him on the list until that case is heard, which based on normal time frames could be 6-8 months from whenever this 1st appeal is heard.

Basically Goodell could wait for all the court rulings to occur before removing Hardy from the exempt list and that could take all the way until January. At that point, Hardy would still have to serve his suspension. Goodell could literally keep him on the exempt list for 2 seasons and suspend him for the 1st 2 games of a 3rd. This exempt list needs to go. Something needs to be done to address the amount of power Goodell holds right now. It also might be in Hardys best interest to file the lawsuit, then negotiate a lesser suspension of 4-6 games contingent on dropping the lawsuit.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The fact that they hit him with 'conduct detrimental to the league' instead of something directly relating to a DV charge...does that change things in terms of what the precedent is here? Or is that transparent enough that it's not an effective dodge of the prior standard? What do you think?

Doty already ruled on that. Domestic violence is conduct detrimental. The NFL likes to play semantic games like that but the court never buys it. They also used to call their contract collusion policies, competitive balance. It's pretty obvious this is due to the crime he was tried for and was ultimately found not guilty.

The issue seems to be the play by play punishment method treating each blow as a punishable offense. Seeing that it is obviously an arbitrary standard that they never used before I doubt it has a chance.

Only other thing I can see them trying to use to justify it is the accusation of obstruction. I have no idea if that has legs but I also don't know if they pressed the issue or did more than mention it like the DA did as a screw you on the way out. They did bring up his guns like that.

 

[AzorAhai]

Doty already ruled on that. Domestic violence is conduct detrimental. The NFL likes to play semantic games like that but the court never buys it. They also used to call their contract collusion policies, competitive balance. It's pretty obvious this is due to the crime he was tried for and was ultimately found not guilty.

The issue seems to be the play by play punishment method treating each blow as a punishable offense. Seeing that it is obviously an arbitrary standard that they never used before I doubt it has a chance.

Only other thing I can see them trying to use to justify it is the accusation of obstruction. I have no idea if that has legs but I also don't know if they pressed the issue or did more than mention it like the DA did as a screw you on the way out. They did bring up his guns like that.

I'm worried Goodell will keep him on the exempt list until the NFLs appeal for Hardys lawsuit is heard. That could be as far away as January. I don't know why the NFLPA ever agreed to that ridiculous list.

 

[speedkilz88]

Hardy is suspended now. He is not on the exempt list.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm worried Goodell will keep him on the exempt list until the NFLs appeal for Hardys lawsuit is heard. That could be as far away as January. I don't know why the NFLPA ever agreed to that ridiculous list.

Maybe it takes taht long to get to court but the appeal has to be within 30 days or somesuch. In court, the NFLPA would have cause to seek an injunction and would request the case be heard sooner rather than later. AP lost his appeal in december and was seen 3 months later in march.

 

[JoeKing]

Punishment has to based on actually doing something wrong. Hardy was cleared of all charges. But even if he wasn't cleared, when does a misdemeanor get you suspended 10 games? This will more than likely end up going to court where it will be summarily dismissed. Hardy gets no suspension. Case Closed.

 

[AzorAhai]

Hardy is suspended now. He is not on the exempt list.

He's not suspended. Once he appeals the suspension is stayed. He is still on the exempt list as of today and will be until officially removed by the commisioner.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He's not suspended. Once he appeals the suspension is stayed. He is still on the exempt list as of today and will be until officially removed by the commisioner.

He's allowed to train at the facility and participate in preseason. I don't care what they call it.

 

[AzorAhai]

Maybe it takes taht long to get to court but the appeal has to be within 30 days or somesuch. In court, the NFLPA would have cause to seek an injunction and would request the case be heard sooner rather than later. AP lost his appeal in december and was seen 3 months later in march.

The appeal has 20 more days to be completed if I'm remembering right, but even if Hardy sues and gets his case heard in 3 months, the NFL can still appeal that courts ruling like it did with AP. That appeal would likely take 3-4 months to be heard also. During this time Goodell does not have to remove Hardy from the exempt list. If he wants to take a hardline approach against Hardy, he can wait until the appeal of the lawsuit to be heard, and even after its heard, Hardy would still have to serve the length of the suspension. If Goodell really wants to dig in, he could essentially drag this out for 6-8 months and then have the suspension kick in afterwards. If he does take that stance, best case is probably mid November and worst case mid January will be when all of the court decisions will be decided. Add in a 2 game suspension and Hardy might not be reinstated until January but only technically serve a 2 game suspension.

 

[AzorAhai]

He's allowed to train at the facility and participate in preseason. I don't care what they call it.

Practicing is fine, but dragging this process out, which he can do, could still have him out for the majority of the season, while technically not even suspended.

 

[Idgit]

Doty already ruled on that. Domestic violence is conduct detrimental. The NFL likes to play semantic games like that but the court never buys it. They also used to call their contract collusion policies, competitive balance. It's pretty obvious this is due to the crime he was tried for and was ultimately found not guilty.

The issue seems to be the play by play punishment method treating each blow as a punishable offense. Seeing that it is obviously an arbitrary standard that they never used before I doubt it has a chance.

Only other thing I can see them trying to use to justify it is the accusation of obstruction. I have no idea if that has legs but I also don't know if they pressed the issue or did more than mention it like the DA did as a screw you on the way out. They did bring up his guns like that.

That's good to hear, because it was the one thing that sounded to me that it could be logical trouble for the case.

I agree that the blow-by-blow thing is ridiculous, if that's not putting words in your mouth.

I sure do wish this league would go back to ruling according to what it thinks is right, as opposed to what it thinks sounds right. This bad management at the top is detrimental to the league. Somebody should suspend Goodell on that basis.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The appeal has 20 more days to be completed if I'm remembering right, but even if Hardy sues and gets his case heard in 3 months, the NFL can still appeal that courts ruling like it did with AP. That appeal would likely take 3-4 months to be heard also. During this time Goodell does not have to remove Hardy from the exempt list. If he wants to take a hardline approach against Hardy, he can wait until the appeal of the lawsuit to be heard, and even after its heard, Hardy would still have to serve the length of the suspension. If Goodell really wants to dig in, he could essentially drag this out for 6-8 months and then have the suspension kick in afterwards. If he does take that stance, best case is probably mid November and worst case mid January will be when all of the court decisions will be decided. Add in a 2 game suspension and Hardy might not be reinstated until January but only technically serve a 2 game suspension.

The NFL appealed but the appeal did not put aside the lower courts decision. The NFL reinstated Peterson 4 days before the Vikings offseason program began which is when he could have been called to account for violating the court order.

Youre being baffled by Goodell's ********. Pay less attention to what they call things and more attention to what they actually do.

Also just because he appeals doesn't mean they have to hear it. They filed said appeal two weeks before the Hardy suspension was handed out and if they lose that I doubt the higher court will be inclined to do it again.

Frankly, the NFL is flirting with flaunting the authority of the court. Violating the Sherman Act is a felony.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

I don't know the whole legal system of the NFL but can someone explain something to me? I'm hearing all this stuff about Hardy's appeal can take months to be heard, and then the NFL's appeal to the Hardy appeal can take months after that. How the heck did Suh get suspended on a Monday and get it dropped by Friday?