Greg Hardy's appeal is this week (May 28th)

[Nightman]

Let's say Hardy can go to federal court and get 2 games. You think he's gonna give in to the NFL for 6 games when Hardy is basically get paid per game, and on incentives? He'd be giving up at least $2.5 million just to play nice with the NFL.

Yeah, that's not gonna happen.

Not when he has a great chance of winning based on the Doty and Jones rulings for Peterson and Rice and may get 0 games.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I really really want him to go to court and get it down to 2 games. Gut feeling says if the nfl offers up 6 Hardy will accept it with no court.

I just can't see anyway Hardy is willing to accept 6 games.

 

[AzorAhai]

If they did what you suggested it would have been over last season. Hardy, Rice and Peterson would have served their 2 games suspensions and the League could announce "from now on all DV cases will be covered by the new policy".

Keeping it in the news cycle seems like a self inflicted wound. Just bring the hammer down on the next guy because it will happen again.

I can't understand it either. They took a PR hit anyways. Why not take the hit at one time, address the issue and let it dissipate over time. Instead they are keeping it in the spotlight and frankly are between a rock and a hard place. If they only suspend Hardy 2 games, all the negative PR is brought right back. If they try to over compensate like they have, it drags out and the face lawsuits. Whoever was advising them did a horrible job.

 

[speedkilz88]

I also think the NFLPA has realized that they need to fight this.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I also think the NFLPA has realized that they need to fight this.

The odds are in their favor and any chance they get to stick it to Goodell won't be passed over.

 

[gmoney112]

If he was a eagle would people still feel like it should be reduced? Just asking lol.

Yeah, because he's being tried in a court of public opinion and not on facts. It's a matter of principle for me. The fact that he's a Cowboy irks me a little more, but objectively speaking, it's pretty absurd.

Additionally, I don't believe a CEO, Board member, manager, or Commissioner should be able to wield the magic gavel in any circumstance that can cause an innocent man to be punished under an umbrella term like "conduct detrimental to the league", or basically, image. Obviously, in extreme instances, it's justifiable. Not here.

That's like your boss firing you for someone accusing you of a crime you didn't commit, outside of the workplace. "Tom, that Public Intoxication ticket you got the other night.. well, we're going to have to let you go. I know they dropped all charges, but you have to go or get suspended without pay."

The NFL thinks it's "brand" is more important than the US legal system. That bothers me a lot.

 

[AzorAhai]

Yeah, because he's being tried in a court of public opinion and not on facts. It's a matter of principle for me. The fact that he's a Cowboy irks me a little more, but objectively speaking, it's pretty absurd.

Additionally, I don't believe a CEO, Board member, manager, or Commissioner should be able to wield the magic gavel in any circumstance that can cause an innocent man to be punished under an umbrella term like "conduct detrimental to the league", or basically, image. Obviously, in extreme instances, it's justifiable. Not here.

That's like your boss firing you for someone accusing you of a crime you didn't commit, outside of the workplace. "Tom, that Public Intoxication ticket you got the other night.. well, we're going to have to let you go. I know they dropped all charges, but you have to go or get suspended without pay."

The NFL thinks it's "brand" is more important than the US legal system. That bothers me a lot.

In my post on page 2 of the thread I stated what happened to Rice, Peterson AND Hardy was wrong, so yeah I would say there's more than a few people on here that aren't as biased as he was insinuating. I bet if he got a speeding ticket with a max fine of $200, but the judge was really cracking down on those so gave him $1000 fine he wouldn't be too happy about it.

 

[gmoney112]

In my post on page 2 of the thread I stated what happened to Rice, Peterson AND Hardy was wrong, so yeah I would say there's more than a few people on here that aren't as biased as he was insinuating. I bet if he got a speeding ticket with a max fine of $200, but the judge was really cracking down on those so gave him $1000 fine he wouldn't be too happy about it.

Oh didn't see that part. Agree with you though. Except Rice, I'd have fired him on the spot once that video came out.

 

[AzorAhai]

Oh didn't see that part. Agree with you though. Except Rice, I'd have fired him on the spot once that video came out.

The post was directed at him, but I guess it got deleted so I quoted you instead . The hiring or firing in Rice's case was up to the team. The suspension part from Goodell should have only been 2 games due to the policy. The commisioner can't just change it on a whim because he thought it was worse. He should have had the foresight to realize 2 games wasn't enough and addressed the policy beforehand. In this social media, technology driven world of today, it was only a matter of time before a video like Rice's came out. As bad as it was morally, the old policy didn't allow for him to base the suspension on how bad the incident was. The suspension ended up technically being 2 games, but he's lost the ability to get a job which should always have been at the individual teams discretion.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I think the NFL offers Hardy a deal..............they will drop the suspension in half from 10 games to 5 games if he agrees not to take this to Federal Court.

I think Hardy takes it since going to Federal Court could take months to get resolved.

 

[speedkilz88]

I think the NFL offers Hardy a deal..............they will drop the suspension in half from 10 games to 5 games if he agrees not to take this to Federal Court.

I think Hardy takes it since going to Federal Court could take months to get resolved.

The nflpa is involved in this too. They aren't going to settle and walk away.

 

[Hoofbite]

Yeah, because he's being tried in a court of public opinion and not on facts. It's a matter of principle for me. The fact that he's a Cowboy irks me a little more, but objectively speaking, it's pretty absurd.

Additionally, I don't believe a CEO, Board member, manager, or Commissioner should be able to wield the magic gavel in any circumstance that can cause an innocent man to be punished under an umbrella term like "conduct detrimental to the league", or basically, image. Obviously, in extreme instances, it's justifiable. Not here.

That's like your boss firing you for someone accusing you of a crime you didn't commit, outside of the workplace. "Tom, that Public Intoxication ticket you got the other night.. well, we're going to have to let you go. I know they dropped all charges, but you have to go or get suspended without pay."

The NFL thinks it's "brand" is more important than the US legal system. That bothers me a lot.

This isn't some absurd possibility in the real world. There are a lot of places where making the company look bad means you are fired. Pretty sure the vast majority of the US allows employees to be fired without good cause.

 

[AzorAhai]

This isn't some absurd possibility in the real world. There are a lot of places where making the company look bad means you are fired. Pretty sure the vast majority of the US allows employees to be fired without good cause.

The vast majority of companies don't have a policy in place that limits DV punishment either. If your job had a policy that stated you could only be suspended without pay for 2 weeks, but suspended you for 2 months you would be okay with that? Because that's what is happening.

"In the real world" you can't be punished beyond the maximum punishment be it a job or court, so why is the NFL exempt from this? Can you explain that?

 

[Deep_South]

There are numerous historical examples of reasons not to give a person dictatorial power, and the players should have known better. Goodell clearly isn't trying to be fair at all; he's playing to the media and all of the interest groups around the country who demand a player's head on a stick before they even know what actually happened.

 

[Bullflop]

I'm remaining hopeful that Greg Hardy's penalty suspends him for no more than three to six games. Actually, I suppose practically anything can happen, depending upon the inclination of the party that renders a verdict. Let's hope the lawyer for the NFLPA who submits Hardy's defense does so very capably. I do not think Hardy should rightfully be used as a prime example of how to penalize offenders when his guilt was never even established.

 

[manster4ever]

I really really want him to go to court and get it down to 2 games. Gut feeling says if the nfl offers up 6 Hardy will accept it with no court.

I agree FWIW....6

 

[Section446]

I feel like we live in a weird world when the NFL has more harsh penalties than the law.

 

[Alexander]

Not when he has a great chance of winning based on the Doty and Jones rulings for Peterson and Rice and may get 0 games.

The Ray McDonald case ruffled a lot of feathers again and I think that even if it technically should be reduced, the league is going to try its hardest to hold its ground.

That is probably why they gave him the max they could, it is so PR at this stage.

 

[Cowboys22]

I feel like we live in a weird world when the NFL has more harsh penalties than the law.

What? If found guilty he could have gone to jail. That is harsher than any amount of games. The only reason these appeals are going to court is that the league is not following the CBA and policies that were in place at the time of the incidents. Judge Doty ruled that the league had to apply the policies in place and sent it back to the arbitrator who has dragged his feet and not issued a new ruling based on the old policies. They aren't going to court to get a judge to overrule the punishments and be more lenient. They are basically saying the league is in breach of contract. It is still the league that will have to hand out the final punishments but they will have to do it by the specific policies that the judge rules apply for that case.

 

[JohnsKey19]

The nflpa is involved in this too. They aren't going to settle and walk away.

The only way I can imagine Hardy and Cowboys accepting a reduction is if it gets cut to 4 games. But as you stated, the NFLPA is obligated to fight this thing through the end and will demand it to go court(Doty). This is not only about Greg Hardy. The NFLPA does not want to set a precedent that is not beneficial to all players.