Gregory update

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I opened this thread with the intention to see lots of excited posts about getting our most talented pass rusher back for a playoff run, not to read a bunch of semantics and law debates.

Unfortunately, players like Gregory and Smith invariably lead to the same ole feces. People are mad at Gregory.

Heck at this point you just have to bring up most any player selected in the 2nd round and you will get angst.

To honor your intent though I will say that it bodes extremely well that Gregory has been able to work out with the team for the past few months. He has to work his way into playing shape but he should be about where players are at to start the preseason.

I'm cautiously optimistic.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

12 games, 7 tackles no sacks. I think he played well in the opener and that was it, then he has another long boring offseason to not smoke weed. I guess I'm just not very excited about what he can bring..I doubt he gets much playing time anyway

If you are going to use stats then you need to also show the pressure and hit stats as well. Else it is not remotely representative. Charles Haley for example used to get tons of pressure but minimal conventional stats.

Gregory did not generate conventional stats but he did have a good pressure rate.

 

[willia451]

I wonder how all of this is affecting Randy's GF Nancy Rodriquez?

I heard they were expecting a child together. A girl I think.

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...07/18/cowboys-de-randy-gregory-says-baby-girl

It's so sad. Hopefully becoming a father will help to straighten Mr. Gregory out.

Give your family a chance, Randy.

 

[Bigdog]

I'm sure Mara will get it moved up the docket.

Right when we play them in the playoffs but if I was Jones, I would say you have been accused of deflating balls, your punter has several DV accusations against him, you used walkie talkies in a game against us to possibly gain an advantage and all this young guy did was smoked pot which is legal now in several different states. Are sure you want to go through with this?

 

[KJJ]

Now you are equivocating.

You don't know what they think. It's okay.

I have a good idea how the Cowboys think and that's been proven with my many debates on Hardy and Dak vs Romo. If Gregory were to somehow make an impact in the playoffs with a game changing play like DLaw pulled off against the Lions in 2014 or is able to come up with a couple of sacks and be disruptive there's always the chance they could give him one more opportunity but they'll have to go into the 2017 season with a contingency plan in the event he fails another drug test. He's going to have to really show something with the opportunities he gets this season to convince the organization he's worth one more chance.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I have a good idea how the Cowboys think and that's been proven with my many debates on Hardy and Dak vs Romo. If Gregory were to somehow make an impact in the playoffs with a game changing play like DLaw pulled off against the Lions in 2014 or is able to come up with a couple of sacks and be disruptive there's always the chance they could give him one more opportunity but they'll have to go into the 2017 season with a contingency plan in the event he fails another drug test. He's going to have to really show something with the opportunities he gets this season to convince the organization he's worth one more chance.

You think you do but that is not the same thing as actually knowing.

I like how you are now coming up with a detailed thought process like they all think with one brain.

 

[DandyDon1722]

I think it's very unnerving to let the league dangle something as shrouded as , "We'll take it up in January."

Basically, if we made it so the Super Bowl, they could suspend him that week and there's nothing we could do. I mean really, look how they are still handling the Zeke investigation.

I would rather not know his effect, rather than have him play, make a huge difference with the defense, then be gone for the rest of this year and the next.

 

[EMMITTnROY]

Unfortunately, players like Gregory and Smith invariably lead to the same ole feces. People are mad at Gregory.

Heck at this point you just have to bring up most any player selected in the 2nd round and you will get angst.

To honor your intent though I will say that it bodes extremely well that Gregory has been able to work out with the team for the past few months. He has to work his way into playing shape but he should be about where players are at to start the preseason.

I'm cautiously optimistic.

Thanks for honoring my intent.

And I completely 100% agreed with the bolded. That's exacly my feelings on it. He's in great physical shape. Now he can use the next two regular season games as his
"preseason" and then the playoffs can be his regular season.

 

[KJJ]

Considering that Gregory had and has a locker at the training complex, and did when it was built, I don't think you are correct here.

Garrett was likely referring to McClain, who doesn't have a locker at The Star, and Greg Hardy.

He used the word "players" and Jerry still hasn't given up on Gregory which is why he's still here and has a locker at the Star. The day Gregory is released is the day Jerry will be wiping pie off his face having to admit Gregory was a mistake. The team knew entering camp our pass rush would be an issue and they knew Gregory would cleared to play at some point this season so naturally they hung onto him. They had no choice but to move on from Ro he's suspended indefinitely and has shown no desire to play football, plus he's failed with two teams.

Regardless how down the organization is on Gregory they still have him and because we're desperate for a pass rush we have nothing to lose by playing him. It would be a completely different story going into next season having to commit to him for another season knowing he could fail another drug test and we'll be left scrambling trying to fill his spot. We have to go into next season with players we can count on and not have another suspension pop up. Gregory is going to have to give the team a good reason to give him one more chance next season and it's going to take great play in the playoffs.

 

[KJJ]

You think you do but that is not the same thing as actually knowing.

I like how you are now coming up with a detailed thought process like they all think with one brain.

My assumptions are usually right. My thought process is always detailed and it's usually dead on.

 

[Doomsay]

I said the same thing in another thread...lol. Lights the world on fire, suspended again. Play beh...Mid February decision.

He should sandbag until Feb (unless, we are desperate).

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Something is getting lost in the translation here.

For a third offense, by definition, yes, there are "multiple" offenses accumulated.

But the third offense itself is, ostensibly, a single incident.

And that single incident... it's been rumored... was a matter of failing to show-up for a test. And all I'm saying is... there IS an appeal process, obviously, and seemingly, that appeal process might have some basis... and I'm only setting forward some ways in which the details of the situation might be indicative of a successful appeal, or at least, one that reduces the penalty.

Im on track with you now.

I don't see any reason to interpret Gregory (or by extension, his team of advisors) appealing as anything more than a formality or way to delay an impending year-long banishment. Now, that's a admittedly a skeptical perspective based off of Gregory's track record of failure and the presumption he doesn't actually have a legitimate reason to have missed or fail another drug test. You could argue, "well, we don't know the all the details so we can't assume" and that would be fair enough, but conversely, there's no reason to assume that him appealing his suspension is an indication of something positive without further evidence.

Also, FWIW, here's the NFL Drug Program protocol from the NFLPA: https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.net/media/Default/PDFs/Agents/2016SOAPolicy_v2.pdf

 

[Plankton]

He used the word "players" and Jerry still hasn't given up on Gregory which is why he's still here and has a locker at the Star. The day Gregory is released is the day Jerry will be wiping pie off his face having to admit Gregory was a mistake. The team knew entering camp our pass rush would be an issue and they knew Gregory would cleared to play at some point this season so naturally they hung onto him. They had no choice but to move on from Ro he's suspended indefinitely and has shown no desire to play football, plus he's failed with two teams.

Regardless how down the organization is on Gregory they still have him and because we're desperate for a pass rush we have nothing to lose by playing him. It would be a completely different story going into next season having to commit to him for another season knowing he could fail another drug test and we'll be left scrambling trying to fill his spot. We have to go into next season with players we can count on and not have another suspension pop up. Gregory is going to have to give the team a good reason to give him one more chance next season and it's going to take great play in the playoffs.

Yes, I believe he was referring to McClain and Hardy as the "players". That's who they were going to move on from. Gregory had not been given up on yet, hence having the locker.

The indefinite suspension for McClain only was announced recently, and that had nothing to do with him not having a locker at the Star. I believe the decision was made to move on from McClain when he received the 10 game suspension on top of the 4 game one. They treated Gregory differently, which I believe is why Garrett was not referring to him when speaking about moving on from players.

 

[KJJ]

Yes, I believe he was referring to McClain and Hardy as the "players". That's who they were going to move on from. Gregory had not been given up on yet, hence having the locker.

The indefinite suspension for McClain only was announced recently, and that had nothing to do with him not having a locker at the Star. I believe the decision was made to move on from McClain when he received the 10 game suspension on top of the 4 game one. They treated Gregory differently, which I believe is why Garrett was not referring to him when speaking about moving on from players.

They moved on from Hardy well before camp, Stephen made that clear back in May. Hardy didn't attend OTA's or minicamp. Garrett made his comment when he and Jerry addressed the media at the opening of training camp. It was speculated at the time Garrett was referring to Gregory and Ro. Jerry hasn't given up on Gregory, at least not publicly. This was from July 29, no one was sure who he was referring to but Garrett was asked about both players and wouldn't comment which added to the speculation.


He did say that "we'll move on" from some players (Rolando McClain?)

Rolando McClain and Randy Gregory both on reserve/did not report. Won't comment any further on the two. Charles Brown also on reserve/retired opening up three roster spots.

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2016...ies-addresses-elliott-allegations-suspensions

 

[_sturt_]

Im on track with you now.

I don't see any reason to interpret Gregory (or by extension, his team of advisors) appealing as anything more than a formality or way to delay an impending year-long banishment. Now, that's a admittedly a skeptical perspective based off of Gregory's track record of failure and the presumption he doesn't actually have a legitimate reason to have missed or fail another drug test. You could argue, "well, we don't know the all the details so we can't assume" and that would be fair enough, but conversely, there's no reason to assume that him appealing his suspension is an indication of something positive without further evidence.

Also, FWIW, here's the NFL Drug Program protocol from the NFLPA: https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.net/media/Default/PDFs/Agents/2016SOAPolicy_v2.pdf

All good. I would only add, "no reason to assume" either way, except that subjectively to me (and evidently to others), there seems to be some reason that Jerry has thought all along that Gregory would be able to play this season... and adding that to the fact that there is no judgment and penalty already imposed--ie, which maybe wouldn't be the case if, in fact, there was clearly no reason to even consider an appeal.

 

[Echo9]

It would be our luck that he comes out ballin helping the Cowboys get to the NFCCG only to get suspended the week of the game. If his pending appeal is based off of him missing a test while in rehab that's a legitimate appeal or even for a substance he was prescribed by a doctor while in rehab but other than that what is there really to appeal? It would be just delaying the inevitable

Well, if we make it to the NFCCG and it's against Giants, I'd think the odds of the appeal being decided upon (and against us) gets bigger. The favoritism is hard to ignore.

 

[gmoney112]

Im on track with you now.

I don't see any reason to interpret Gregory (or by extension, his team of advisors) appealing as anything more than a formality or way to delay an impending year-long banishment. Now, that's a admittedly a skeptical perspective based off of Gregory's track record of failure and the presumption he doesn't actually have a legitimate reason to have missed or fail another drug test. You could argue, "well, we don't know the all the details so we can't assume" and that would be fair enough, but conversely, there's no reason to assume that him appealing his suspension is an indication of something positive without further evidence.

Also, FWIW, here's the NFL Drug Program protocol from the NFLPA: https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.net/media/Default/PDFs/Agents/2016SOAPolicy_v2.pdf

And therein lies the rub, which none of us actually know. There have been hints he didn't fail one, but that he missed one. One of the hints insinuated he was checking himself into rehab when he missed.

I also don't know if there's a precedent where a younger player checked himself into rehab, then followed an entire season of drug testing protocols, while awaiting an appeal.

If there's a decent argument, I could definitely see a significantly reduced suspension, stringent on some extra requirements obviously. I'm not sure how often they're testing him right now, if they are and he's passing, this is probably the longest he's ever gone.

If everything was by the book since, I don't see a year. I don't see it all of a sudden getting completely lifted either unless he really impressed some people or goes above and beyond in the offseason. But 4-6 games is possible, I imagine.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

My assumptions are usually right. My thought process is always detailed and it's usually dead on.

Uh huh. . . .

KJJ, a legend in his own mind.

 

[KJJ]

Uh huh. . . .

KJJ, a legend in his own mind.

My posting history speaks for itself along with the debates I've had with you.

 

[_sturt_]

I'm so appreciative that posters on this board are so God-honest to tell you that their opinions are usually right. It really helps a relative newcomer like me to decipher whose posts deserve credibility versus who just enjoys the imagery of credibility... hehe... *wink*