Gruden

[Aikmaniac]

I like Gruden but I don't think he is as great of a coach as some seem to think. Yes he won a SB but much like Switzer it could be said Dungy built that team after the SB Tampa went 7-9, 5-11, 11-5, 4-12, 9-7 and 9-7. Sorry if people put the same demands on Gruden as they do Wade then how can anyone claim him to be some great coach? Again fiery is not what makes a coach

Did you take a peek at the rosters for those seasons you mentioned post 2002? You would be hard-pressed to find 10 starters that are still a) playing in the NFL or b) starting.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Did you take a peek at the rosters for those seasons you mentioned post 2002? You would be hard-pressed to find 10 starters that are still a) playing in the NFL or b) starting.

Who was responsible for acquiring those players?

Gruden and Bruce Allen.

Now that said, I think Gruden is a solid coach, as long as he doesn't have too much input into the personnel decisions. Much like Shanahan, IMO.

Gruden gets hired and this team will instantly become one of the older teams in the league.

 

[Doomsday101]

Did you take a peek at the rosters for those seasons you mentioned post 2002? You would be hard-pressed to find 10 starters that are still a) playing in the NFL or b) starting.

2002 TB went to the SB on a team Dungy built after that season TB tanked. As for players hey that is part of the job, coaches do have involvement in the process. All I ask is look at Gruden under the same microscope Wade is looked at.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I like Gruden but I don't think he is as great of a coach as some seem to think. Yes he won a SB but much like Switzer it could be said Dungy built that team after the SB Tampa went 7-9, 5-11, 11-5, 4-12, 9-7 and 9-7. Sorry if people put the same demands on Gruden as they do Wade then how can anyone claim him to be some great coach? Again fiery is not what makes a coach

I'm not supporting or defending Gruden here, but in Oakland he took a 4-12 team to a 8-8, 8-8, 12-4, 10-6 team. You claim Dungy build the Bucs and Gruden won the Superbowl with Dungy's team.

Well, Gruden played against the Raiders in that Superbowl. Guess who built those Raiders? Lets just say it wasn't Bill Callahan, like in Gruden's case it was the coach before Callahan. Who was that? Jon Gruden. Yeah, the Bill Callahan who took over a team and went to the Superbowl that year then the team imploded going from an 11-5 Superbowl team to a 5-11 loser.

So, the Superbowl that Gruden won, he didn't build the Bucs team, but he DID in fact build one of the teams that was in that Superbowl.

So, Gruden not only built a team that made it to that Superbowl, but he also won the Superbowl that year. It just happen to be different teams. He gets some credit for both teams in the 2002 Superbowl.

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm not supporting or defending Gruden here, but in Oakland he took a 4-12 team to a 8-8, 8-8, 12-4, 10-6 team. You claim Dungy build the Bucs and Gruden took them to the Superbowl.

Well, Gruden played against the Raiders in that Superbowl. Guess who built those Raiders? Lets just say it wasn't Bill Callahan, like in Gruden's case it was the coach before Callahan. Who was that? Jon Gruden. Yeah, the Bill Callahan who took over a team and went to the Superbowl that year then the team imploded going from an 11-5 Superbowl team to a 5-11 loser.

So, the Superbowl that Gruden won, he didn't build the Bucs team, but he DID in fact build one of the teams that was in that Superbowl.

So, Gruden not only built a team that made it to the Superbowl, but he also won the Superbowl that year. It just happen to be different teams.

Barry Switzer also won a SB I doubt you will find many singing his praises. He went from 12-4 in TB with a SB and then went 7-9 the following season then 5-11? Come on you guys would be trying to run his butt out of town. Gruden is a decent coach but not more than that. I think Woodgirl also hit on something which is his teams tend to get older since he looks to bring in old players which may explain the fall down of his teams. I see Gruden as a grass is greener on the other side but if viewed under the same scrutiny as Wade well it does not hold up

 

[Aikmaniac]

Who was responsible for acquiring those players?

Gruden and Bruce Allen.

Now that said, I think Gruden is a solid coach, as long as he doesn't have too much input into the personnel decisions. Much like Shanahan, IMO.

Gruden gets hired and this team will instantly become one of the older teams in the league.

I agree that the best fit for Gruden is a ready-made team with a veteran QB, however I believe his hands were tied by ownership to a degree.

One of the reasons Gruden was let go, in my opinion, was that he wanted to bring in some higher caliber FA's and was met with some opposition. Whether or not that is true, only the front office knows.

As far as holding Gruden to the same fire as Wade, I agree...I just think Gruden gets too much of the blame when it comes to the Bucs' latter season struggles.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Barry Switzer also won a SB I doubt you will find many singing his praises. He went from 12-4 in TB with a SB and then went 7-9 the following season then 5-11? Come on you guys would be trying to run his butt out of town. Gruden is a decent coach but not more than that. I think Woodgirl also hit on something which is his teams tend to get older since he looks to bring in old players which may explain the fall down of his teams. I see Gruden as a grass is greener on the other side but if viewed under the same scrutiny as Wade well it does not hold up

You failed to comment on my point and just restated your point. Your dismissal of Gruden for that point was just flat out wrong and I proved it with fact. You dismissed Gruden because he didn't build HIS Superbowl team, yet I proved that he did in fact build one of the Superbowl teams THE VERY SAME year that he won it.

You can't compare him to Switzer because Switzter never built a Superbowl team.

 

[Doomsday101]

You failed to comment on my point and just restated your point. Your dismissal of Gruden for that point was just flat out wrong and I proved it with fact. You dismissed Gruden because he didn't build HIS Superbowl team, yet I proved that he did in fact build one of the Superbowl teams THE VERY SAME year that he won it.

You can't compare him to Switzer because Switzter never built a Superbowl team.

What point? That Al Davis who get blame for bad player selection also was heavly involved in bringing in players. Gruden did not build in Oakland. Yes I can compare Gruden and Switzer. Gruden did not build TB he walked into a team that Dungy built and after 1 season the team looks like crap? come on SB then 7-9 then 5-11 that is a major tank job from SB to out house in 1 year? You guys would be screaming your heads off about canning him

 

[YosemiteSam]

What point? That Al Davis who get blame for bad player selection also was heavly involved in bringing in players. Gruden did not build in Oakland. Yes I can compare Gruden and Switzer. Gruden did not build TB he walked into a team that Dungy built and after 1 season the team looks like crap? come on SB then 7-9 then 5-11 that is a major tank job from SB to out house in 1 year? You guys would be screaming your heads off about canning him

Credit--;

 

[Hawk]

I like Gruden but I don't think he is as great of a coach as some seem to think. Yes he won a SB but much like Switzer it could be said Dungy built that team after the SB Tampa went 7-9, 5-11, 11-5, 4-12, 9-7 and 9-7. Sorry if people put the same demands on Gruden as they do Wade then how can anyone claim him to be some great coach? Again fiery is not what makes a coach

I agree

 

[FLcowboy]

I like Gruden. If I wouldn't have been dead asleep, I would have check out the game tonight to hear him getting excited.

I remember a game a while back, Jaws told him to sit down in the booth. Guess he was getting far too amped for Jaws to handle.

I like Gruden when he rolls his eyes at Jaws when Jaws goes into one his over analytical explanations of a pass route.

 

[Clove]

IMO, Gruden is the best out there in the booth, Jaws should resign, he's basically not even a Robin next to Batman.

The guy is smart, charismatic, amazing personality, lovable, man he would make a GREAT COACH, or a pal. Jerry would love this guy, if for some reason Wade didn't work out.

 

[ddh33]

Seems like Jaws is always trying to one-up Gruden in the booth. Feels like a little resentment there, but I don't watch a ton of MNF either.

 

[BourbonBalz]

Any body that likes Hooters. Is okay by me.

I absolutely LOVE Hooters. I hear there's a pretty decent restaurant named after them as well.

 

[UnoDallas]

and who cares Gruden will never be the HC of the Dallas Cowboys

 

[Hoods]

IMO, Gruden is the best out there in the booth, Jaws should resign, he's basically not even a Robin next to Batman.

The guy is smart, charismatic, amazing personality, lovable, man he would make a GREAT COACH, or a pal. Jerry would love this guy, if for some reason Wade didn't work out.

If you love him so much, why don't you marry him?

 

[Aliencowboy]

I'm not sure he's gay...

 

[WarC]

The more I listen to him the more I like him. He's kind of a fierce, up-tempo kinda guy and when thats coupled with the football smarts of an NFL head coach it makes for interesting listening. For the same kinda reasons that listening to Parcells drop knowledge in a boring-as-hell press conference was kind of fun. Just my opinion. If he coached anywhere else I'd miss hearing his commentary.

But thats just me, I know a lot of people disliked Madden's commentary but losing him hurt the game man.

 

[dfense]

Gruden is the most annoying commentator. I hope he gets a coaching job soon.

 

[Yeagermeister]

I absolutely LOVE Hooters. I hear there's a pretty decent restaurant named after them as well.

They serve food there? hno: